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Tuesday, 3rd December, 2013

The House of Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two O'clock p.m.



(MR. SPEAKER in the Chair)



MR. SPEAKER: I wish to inform members of the Liaison and Coordination Committee that their inaugural committee meeting will be held on Wednesday, 4th December, 2013 at 0900 hrs in the Senate Chamber. All Chairpersons of Committees are expected to attend.


MR. SPEAKER: I also wish to inform the House that Hon. Hlongwane was elected Chairperson of the African, Caribbean, and Pacific (ACP) Parliamentary Assembly Standing Committee on Political Affairs and Co-Chairperson of the Joint African, Caribbean, and Pacific and the European Union (ACP-EU) Joint Parliamentary Assembly Standing Committee on Political Affairs at the 26th Session of the ACP-EU Joint Assembly held from the 20th to the 27th of November, 2013, in Addis Ababa.

May I also take this opportunity to congratulate the delegation that included Hon. Mpariwa and Hon. N. Chikwinya for having supported the head of delegation so well and having achieved what you also felt in the public media and the private media.


MR. SPEAKER: I wish to remind all members that the due date for the submission of their bio-data forms is Thursday, 12th September, 2013 and that all bio-data forms will be uploaded on to the Parliamentary website. Members who have not corrected their first submissions as well as those who have not filled in their information are required to do so with urgency at the Public Relations Department, Pax House, failure of which, we will proceed on the basis of the available information, which means where your name appears, it will be a total blank.



First Order read: Adjourned debate on motion in reply to the Presidential Speech.

Question again proposed.

ENG. MATANGAIDZE: Sir, my name is Tapiwa Matangaidze representing Shurugwi South Constituency. Mr. Speaker Sir, congratulations to you and Madam Deputy Speaker on being unanimously elected to your positions. We look forward to your brilliant and exemplary leadership.

Mr. Speaker Sir, may I take this opportunity to congratulate His Excellency, the President of our Republic on his momentous re-election - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] - The people of Zimbabwe have shown great faith and trust in his able and visionary leadership. Members from my constituency and I, wish His Excellency continued good health, wisdom and ability and grace as he steers our nation to the greatness we richly deserve.

Mr. Speaker Sir, allow me to heartily congratulate all Members of Parliament on receiving mandates to serve in their respective constituencies. I am aware of the work that has been done and we need to deliver on the promises we made. I wish you my colleagues, good effort and best regards - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] -.

May I put on record my sincere appreciation to everyone in Shurugwi South for the faith and trust they have reposed in me. I am extremely humbled.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I am under no illusion on the task at hand and the expectations from the constituency as will be apparent from my submissions. We, the people of Shurugwi, are extending our profound gratitude to His Excellency, and the Government for the Tongogara Community Share Ownership Trust. We are proud beneficiaries of Government policy on indigenisation and economic empowerment. I believe and can say with authority, our community and so as the other 51 odd that have benefited and continue to benefit from these trusts, feel challenged to ensure that these schemes transform rural lives.

Mr. Speaker Sir, as one of the first communities to have the trust, we are challenged to ensure that the share ownership schemes work so that our examples can be used as templates for development that can be replicated countrywide. We are challenged to ensure that our programme succeeds so that we can prove wrong detractors who are against indigenisation and economic empowerment programme.

It is in this regard that I am calling on these trusts to show greater accountability. Acknowledged, we have seen projects done by trusts. In Shurugwi, the trust has to date built one new school, revamped another, built a mortuary, repaired the dam wall and is in the process of gravelling roads. All commendable indeed but the programme of works and budgets are all shrouded in secrecy.

Trustees have a fiduciary responsibility to the beneficiaries of trusts. In Shurugwi and I think in other communities too, trustees are still to engage the generality of their communities in finding a shared vision, let alone to table financials at Annual General Meetings.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I need not over-emphasise that it is mandatory for these trusts to publish at least once annually, their audited financial reports. Of concern, is that in most cases the trust deeds are mired in secrecy. Most people do not know their trustees. A clear indication that they were neither consulted nor involved in their selection. The operation of these trusts is only discussed in close circles.

This fuels speculation that the Community Share Ownership Scheme if unchecked, will not metamorphose into Trustee Share Ownership Schemes with beneficiaries no longer being the communities but a select few.

My call to Government is for the Trusts to be made transparent with greater accountability, accountability and accountability. Community expectations have to be met.

Mr. Speaker Sir, we applaud His Excellency's speech outlining Government's commitment and plans for growth in the mining, agriculture and manufacturing sectors. All these sectors have a serious appetite for electricity. They devour electricity, like kids munching into candy on show day.

The envisaged success in the sectors outlined, can only be guaranteed by the provision of a reliable power supply. Therein lies the challenge.

We have been advised that our current daily maximum demand is 1730MW. In 2010, the Southern African Power pool gave our maximum demand as 2200MW per day. Pick your number. Our current generation capacity is 1017MW per day. We are importing 200MW per day from Mozambique and exporting 50MW per day to Namibia, giving us a net import of 150MW per day. Therefore, our total available power per day, ceteris paribus is 1167MW.

Mr. Speaker Sir, because our 2010 economic activity was nowhere near optimum and cannot be much different than today's, our energy deficit is 563MW per day or 1033 MW per day. Again one can pick their preferred number. Between now and the year 2017, this energy deficit is real. In 2017, we are advised Kariba will add onto the grid 600MW and Hwange 300MW, giving us 900MW of additional power. Just enough energy to cope with today's deficit. In a nutshell, we are saying our current efforts to increase generation capacity which can at best be implemented in four years time, can at best cover today's depressed economy's maximum demand.

We are not satisfied with today's depressed economy. Outlined Government's plans will see our maximum demand rising to 3000MW per day in 2017.

MR. SPEAKER : Order! There is too much conversation among hon members. Can you allow the hon. member to be heard in silence?

MR. MATANGAIDZE: If the hon. members can listen, they can see where I am driving at. It has to do with the President's speech on the outlined growth strategies. The long and short of it is that, regardless of the additional generation capacity to be introduced then, we will still have a deficit. Mr. Speaker Sir, we are playing 'catch up' with electricity or 'catch me' if you can.

Detailed analysis of demand patterns, one would see one breaking down consumers into respective sectors. For my submission, allow me to break it down into the productive and domestic sectors. The major highlight of the two sectors is that the domestic sector has a higher transmission and distribution infrastructure than the productive sector. It is also important to highlight that inspite of this high cost, domestic power has a price discount compared to productive sector power.

Mr. Speaker Sir, discussions on electricity generation and distribution have been largely limited to hydro thermal generation and the grid with little regard to other options.

It is common cause that Zimbabwe has immense domestic renewable energy potential. Our solar thermal potential is 1200 terra watt hours. That is 120 million mega watts hours. Our solar photovoltaic potential (capacity to generate direct current) is also 160 terra watt hours, 160 million megawatt hours. Our wind potential at 20% capacity factor is 14000 mega watts. This needs to be viewed in light of our maximum demand in the lower thousands that we are dealing with.

At a solar thermal potential of 120 terra watt hours, compared to the North Pole at almost zero, it cannot be the North Pole to be pushing the solar energy agenda. We have to champion solar energy. It is a Zimbabwean agenda. Indeed, an African agenda, for we are receiving maximum radiation.

Therefore, a long term vision is needed for us to make optimal use of renewable technologies, for it is apparent that in the long run, this will be our source of reliable and affordable power.

Mr. Speaker Sir, it is clear that we will always lag on grid expansion, therefore, it should be policy that capacity additions, particularly on domestic consumption, should come from decentralised renewable technology.

Instead of continuing to load the grid, focus and thrust should be on how to off grid domestic consumption. Focus should be on how we can incentivise the domestic consumers to migrate to solar heating and lighting.

As a starting point, the electricity distribution company should consider discounting or writing off debts of consumers who have installed solar geysers. Any new building contracts should specify solar heating. Street and public lighting should be on solar and wind energy.

Mr. Speaker Sir, if I can now move to paying the rent, my constituency, as others in natural regions IV and V is virtually arid. Climate change has taken its toll on our environment.

Mr. Speaker, year in and year out, we till our land but what we harvest does not commensurate with our labour input. We invariably always have a grain deficit. For what I can attribute mainly to traditional norms, farmers do not heed advice to plant small grains, insisting instead to continue cultivating maize in the fervent hope that the heavens will open up generously, giving us plenty of rains, sad to say, which hardly ever happens.

Mr. Speaker Sir, a critic would quickly find fault in the farmers for not going the small grain route. Let me hasten to say there is nothing novel about growing small grains. Calls have been there since the 50's, but there have not been any takers. This obviously calls for a different dimension, a different thinking and a different approach.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I am calling for a paradigm shift, a paradigm shift in the way we cultivate grain in regions IV and V. Reluctance to cultivate small grains is spurned by the fact that policies to market small grains to growers and consumers are not clearly spelt out.

Mr. Speaker Sir, we are appealing to Government to put in place a national policy on small grains. We are calling on Government to put in place in regions IV and V infrastructure to promote the buying, selling and processing of small grains. To motivate the cultivation culture change, Government has to incentivise this process.

Mr. Speaker Sir, it is clear that this Government intervention will go a long way in not just making regions IV and V productive but in addressing our country's food security challenges.

Mr. Speaker Sir, we commend Government efforts to resuscitate surface irrigation schemes in regions where there are large water bodies. In my constituency, we do not have water bodies of note. We make a lot of effort to harvest whatever little amounts of rain we receive. We are resigned to the fact flood irrigation belongs to the past. Our future lies with localised or micro-irrigation. We are, therefore, calling on Government support to install pilot drip irrigation systems in regions IV and V.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I have spoken about the subsistence farmers in my constituency. Allow me to also talk about the subsistence miner. Call him or her the artisanal miner or small scale miner. In Zimbabwe, there are around 500 000 artisanal miners of which 150 000 are female. I am advised that there are up to 20 million small scale miners in 50 developing countries worldwide. This, hugely significant group of miners contributes 12% of the world's annual gold production.

Clearly, Mr. Speaker Sir, artisanal mining can address unemployment challenges, empowerment and wealth creation issues and also help Government achieve its gold production targets.

Mr. Speaker Sir, we therefore, welcome His Excellency's positive stance on small scale mining. We are calling on Government to speedily regularise, support and formalise artisanal mining. We also need training on best mining practice and environmental issues. We would benefit immensely from the setting up of vocational training centres for small scale mining. The spin offs would not just be an economical benefit but an environmental protection as well.

Mr. Speaker Sir, in his address, the President outlined a programme for socio-economic transformation. We have since seen it manifest in the ZIM ASSET document. We thank you Mr. Speaker and the House for availing the document. It is a brilliant paper. We are requesting that it be followed with an implementation framework so that the clusters are clearly prioritised and they do not compete for resources.

MR. BEREMAURO: First, let me congratulate the people of Zimbabwe for voting peacefully during the just ended harmonized elections in which President R.G. Mugabe won with flying colours. I wish our President well and may God continue to give him guidance and wisdom during his term and the coming one. Let me also congratulate you Mr. Speaker for being elected as the Speaker and Hon. Chinomona as Deputy Speaker. Last but not least, I would like to congratulate all Members of Parliament who made it to the Eighth Parliament, and the people of Hurungwe Central Constituency for having faith in me.

Zimbabwe, with a population of about 12 million, of that, 2 million people voted during the just ended harmonised elections. If youth constitute 60% of the population, this means we have about 2 million people who did not vote because they do not have national identity cards and birth certificates. The Inclusive Government's Ministry of Finance failed to avail funds to the Registrar General for mobile registration. I call upon the Government to carry out an extensive mobile exercise to ensure that every Zimbabwean has a birth certificate and a national identity document and not to wait for the 2018 election budget.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the President's Speech highlighted the importance of agriculture as the backbone of our economy. Before illegal sanctions were imposed, Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa, exporting maize to Zambia and other African countries. The bulk of our maize came from communal farmers. The call for provision of inputs, bank loans to our farmers and harnessing of water for irrigation purposes will go a long way in ensuring we retain our status. We call upon the relevant ministry to ensure inputs are available in time.

Let me take this opportunity to salute the President of Zimbabwe, for championing the land reform programme, the first of its kind in Africa. Today, the land reform programme has empowered our people so much that in my constituency, Karoi town, there is traffic congestion caused by tobacco farmers, hapana farmer asina mota.

Mr. Speaker Sir, we welcome the expansion of Kariba and Hwange Power Stations and the construction of Batoka Hydro Power Plant as measures to alleviate power shortages. However, we still have saboteurs in the parastatals furthering their political agenda by creating abnormal load shedding. The Government should be commended for the rural electrification programme in uplifting the living standards of our rural folk.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the Border Posts Authority Bill which will be introduced to this House is most welcome. Chirundu Border Post operates from 0600 hours to 1800 hours, while Beitbridge Border Post operates for 24 hours. I call upon the relevant authority to review business operating hours at Chirundu Border Post. As a result, Zimbabwe is losing revenue as most heavy vehicles from South Africa are now using the Botswana - Zambia route.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the issue of reviewing civil servants wages and salaries, in line with the poverty datum line, is very welcome and helps in easing corruption as well. Mr. Speaker Sir, corruption is rife in Zimbabwe. I remember last year when I was travelling on a bus from South Africa, as we approached Beitbridge Border Post, the conductor using a public address system announced in daylight, "travellers without passports, bring R200 for facilitation, those with big luggage for clearance come with R20". The Anti- Corruption Commission should be fully supported by all of us as they have a mammoth task ahead.

Mr. Speaker Sir, Hurungwe Central falls under two local authorities which are Karoi Town Council and Hurungwe Rural District Council.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. The Chair seems to recognise that the hon. member is reading from a prepared text and he is an old member who cannot enjoy the privilege because he was in the Seventh Parliament. So, I ask the hon. member to, if they are notes, refer to them but speak off the cuff.

MR. BEREMAURO: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I was saying Hurungwe Central falls under two local authorities which are Karoi Town Council and Hurungwe Rural District Council. The rural side has challenges of construction of schools. They have schools built of pole and dagga like Chipapa School of Ward 4 and schools housed under tobacco ban sheds, like the Hilltop School of Ward 1. I call upon the relevant ministry to avail funds for speedy construction of resettlement schools.

There is need for boreholes to be sunk in all the wards. The construction of the first Hurungwe Rural boarding school commenced at Vuti High School with funding from the Constituency Development Fund (CDF) and well-wishers. I appeal to the relevant ministry to support the project. Hurungwe is producing 75 percent of the country's tobacco but has no agricultural training school, hence the need for such an institution in the area. Mr. Speaker Sir, I would like to thank the Government for the decentralisation policy. In my constituency, we benefited from the decentralisation of buying tobacco in Karoi. I wish the relevant ministry could facilitate for permanent auction floors to be in Hurungwe.

Like any other urban local authorities, Karoi has not been spared from ZINWA water and power shortages. There is need for an additional mortuary for Karoi District Hospital as the current one cannot cope. Karoi is one of the fastest growing towns and should be upgraded to municipality status to meet the expansion challenges.

Last but not least, in Karoi, Hurungwe, there is no local television signal and I call upon the Ministry of Information to establish a television signal. We also have the construction of the Karoi-Binga road which has been there for the past twenty years and only 40 kilometres has been constructed so far, out of about 250 kilometres for the past 20 years. This means that for this road to be completed, it will take almost 100 years if the construction is going by the pace of 10 kilometres per year. I also call upon the relevant ministry to ensure that there is speedy construction of the Karoi-Binga road. Thank you Mr. Speaker, may God bless you.

MS. RUNGANI: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I would like to congratulate His Excellency, the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe, for his triumphant victory on the harmonised elections held on the 31st July 2013. I also take this opportunity on this occasion to pass, on behalf of Bikita West Constituency, my congratulations to you Mr. Speaker Sir, on your election to the main Chair of this august Assembly. I equally extend my congratulations to all hon. members of this House.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the agricultural sector has been hard hit due to recurrent droughts, climatic variation and inadequate funding. In order to mitigate the effects of droughts, it is important to increase the use of irrigation in my constituency. We have several irrigation schemes which are working far below capacity due to lack of knowledge by the farmers. Thus, it is important for extension staff to train and monitor farmers to increase production efficiency. We also have Matezva dam which was completed about 8 years ago, but to date, it has not been utilised for irrigation. My constituency is also suffering heavily from erosion, which has resulted in siltation of dams. This has negatively impacted on our irrigation capacity, thus we need to step up erosion mitigating programmes and scooping silted dams.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the use of small scale drip irrigation will go a long way in improving the food security of people in my constituency, at the same time, saving scarce water resources that we have. The GMB should be recapitalised so that they are able to pay farmers for the maize delivered. This will be an incentive for the farmers to grow maize and other grains, thereby improving our country's food security.

Mr. Speaker Sir, His Excellency gave special focus on transport infrastructure. There is an urgent need to attend to the bad state of roads in my constituency. Most of the roads have not been rehabilitated for years. Of particular interest, are the roads which lead to our major hospitals, namely Mashoko and Silveira hospitals. Women are the most affected by the poor state of roads since they are the ones who use them for informal sector activities. Mr. Speaker Sir, my constituency is a mountainous country, thus there is need for foot bridges to reduce distances travelled and to cross valleys.

Mr. Speaker Sir, education is a key component in the development of a nation. His Excellency spoke on the need to place greater focus on the teaching and learning of science, technology, engineering and mathematics. In my constituency, only boarding schools have the infrastructure to teach these subjects up to advanced level which is sad since most parents cannot afford to send their children there, especially the girl child. Thus, there is need to put up science and computer laboratories at day high schools so that we grant equal opportunities even to the poor. Our children in rural constituencies should also be afforded opportunities to play sports like tennis, swimming, cricket, rugby, basketball, et cetera, which at the moment are only found in urban schools.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I commend His Excellency, the President for seeking to mainstream, indigenise and articulating empowerment programmes. There is need for the programmes to focus on women and youths who have been previously marginalised. This should be complimented by setting up vocational training centres and information centres to ensure success.

Mr. Speaker Sir, in conclusion, I would like to thank you for having accorded me this opportunity to address this august House. I would like to thank His Excellency, the President for his Speech. I thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.

*MRS NYERE: Thank you very much Mr. Speaker Sir. First of all, I would like to congratulate you on your elevation as Speaker. I also want to congratulate the Head of State for his resounding success in the election. I would also want to congratulate all the Members of Parliament for their successful elections. They should conduct their duty of representing the people well.

I stand here representing the women of Kariba. I want to thank the President for increasing electricity generation in Kariba. This will enable our irrigation systems to be viable and this will also improve food security in our country. Mr. Speaker Sir, this project will enable all companies that are being affected by load shedding to be more productive than they are. People will not be retrenched. For that reason, our economy will grow.

As I represent Kariba, I realise that my area is not privileged in terms of the Kariba dam. People in Kariba do not have permits for fishing matemba. It is only the white people who have the permits. I hope that the responsible ministry will address this issue and also that women can also access these at reasonable costs. It is a challenge for them to pay for these permits.

Mr. Speaker Sir, my request is for empowerment of women in Kariba. I think it is backward in Kariba. The women and the youth in Kariba are not adequately empowered. These people are made to pay for fishing in Kariba dam. This makes them fish in undesignated areas, thereby making them prone to crocodiles. We are therefore requesting that the National Parks review their tariffs.

I would also want to thank the President for the inputs that he gave to the people of Kariba. It is not a fortunate area as the people are not as privileged and I hope that this year, we will be able to get more produce so that everyone cannot experience hunger. I thank you.

MRS. ZEMURA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, for giving me this opportunity to speak. I will start by congratulating you for your election as Speaker of this august Assembly and your Deputy, Mrs. Chinomona. I would also like to congratulate His Excellency, the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe and the First Secretary of ZANU PF, Cde R.G. Mugabe for his resounding victory of 61% win and his party ZANU PF on 31st July, 2013. May our good Lord lead us always.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I will not forget to thank the people of Murewa and Mashonaland East for the way they voted as this made five women from my party, ZANU PF to be elected into Parliament and I am one of them.

The address by His Excellency, the President and Commander- in-Chief of the Zimbabwe Defence Forces, Cde R.G. Mugabe, touched on many aspects, for example, agriculture as the main issue in Zimbabwe. People in my constituency in Murewa and Mashonaland East depend on farming. I want to thank the President for the inputs which were distributed early this year.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the rains have already fallen in most of the areas and people are ploughing and planting. I also thank the people of Murewa for their efforts in agriculture as they use all the rains they get in planting maize, tobacco, beans and other small grains to avert starvation and also supply the whole country with horticulture from Mashonaland East. The efforts made by people are commendable as the GMB and tobacco auction floors are receiving maize and tobacco from the people of Murewa and Mashonaland East. I want to thank His Excellency, the President for mentioning that Marondera University of Agriculture, Science and Technology shall also be tabled in Parliament during this Eighth Session. This will allow the youth to learn more and utilise our God given land.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I want to thank the Government for the effort made on education so far. Our children are accessing good education. On health, I want to urge the Government to put medical supplies in our hospitals as buying medicine is expensive for our sick and old. We also need medical supplies in our clinics. I thank the Government for employing our sons and daughters who had been trained but were not employed.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I want to end by saying, the road network in my area, Murewa, is really bad and needs immediate attention. The following roads; Murewa-Macheke, where a lot of farming is done, Murewa-Mukarakate and Murewa-Guzha roads need to be upgraded. May DDF be given money to rebuild the roads? I thank you.

MR. MUFUNGA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. Firstly, it is my profound honour and privilege to be accorded this opportunity to present to this august assembly, the Presidential Speech -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- Mr. Speaker Sir, may I start by extending heartfelt compliments and congratulations to you, for having been victoriously elected to lead this august House.

My other compliment goes to the Head of State and Commander-in-Chief of the Defence Forces, His Excellency, Comrade R.G. Mugabe, for the resounding victory which saw the trouncing of the puppet Movement for Democratic Party into oblivion. Personally, I feel this visionary leader, who happens to be the First Secretary for the party ZANU PF retained his deserved position of Head of State hands down.

Mr. Speaker Sir, enemies of Zimbabwe may recall these words, the bluffing or bootlicking of the Head of State President R. G. Mugabe, but to all ardent patriotic Zimbabweans, me included, President R. G. Mugabe has been tried and tested through hard times, but still comes out a victor beyond any reasonable doubt. Let anyone trace his track record since the days of Black Nationalism towards colonialism, to thwart colonial racism. We go through neo-colonisation compounded with the current puppetry and sanctions. President R. G. Mugabe definitely has stood out head and shoulder above the rest of the world that has been throwing against us despite being a sovereign state like any other world over.

Mr. Speaker Sir, as a new member in this august House, may I now turn to personal identification by introducing myself as Hon. Alfred Mufunga. I succeeded Mr. 'Dick Joboringo' Luke Mushore, to whom I owe much credit in politics. I shall be presenting this theory of Muzarabani on Zimbabwe's development map. For the benefit of those who may fail to locate Muzarabani North on the Zimbabwean map, let me start by going through geography from old school days. Muzarabani lies to the extreme north of Zimbabwe in the rift valley which comprises the mighty Zambezi escapement up to the border with Mozambique, whereas, locally, it borders Mbire Constituency to the west, Mt. Darwin and then Mukumbura to the East. Climatically, Muzarabani North falls under region 5 which has the best arable loam soils, but negatively, the least of rainfall just as good as Zaka, Chiredzi and Hippo Valley in Masvingo Province. Fate has it that, as a recipient of less rains and located in a rift valley, Muzarabani experiences the highest weather temperatures in the land, just as good as Kariba or Hwange, averaging to about 39 degrees during the months from September to January.

Mr. Speaker Sir, in terms of population, others may wonder how people may live in this hot spot. Muzarabani is so densely populated that the last census of 2012, indicated figures in excess of 25 000. As such, it qualifies to be even delimitated into two constituencies. Let me take the geography theory on Muzarabani to real life levels. Because of the good arable land, cotton farming is the major crop for Muzarabani North constituency because of the little rains that the constituency receives. The prolonged dry season affecting my constituency makes Muzarabani an ideal region for seed production to crops of all types (at local ARDA estate companies such as Cimmy, SEED CO, Pioneer, they have from year to year, been coming to produce tonnes upon tonnes of seed maize. At one time, I even noted Cotton Research Institute experimenting in tobacco seed production.

Healthy dieticians get the best low fat lean meat from Muzarabani as the weather temperature causes the livestock to burn most of their excess fat, but, accumulating much better quality beef. A testimony to this theory has been proved by Montana Meats, Caswell Meats as well as Mutangadura, Abattoir owners who throng my constituency to run their beef industry trade. From the above pen pictures, a vast population of over 25 000 in Muzarabani cannot sustain, unless other particular areas have been addressed such as revival of irrigation schemes and construction of a reliable, dependable dam, the Silverstream dam project and Mavuradonha Gorge.

Mr. Speaker Sir, researchers have yielded that climatic region 5, with its good soils, can best survive through irrigation and according to a Blueprint produced in 1964, Silverstream dam with a capacity to harness water that can sustain even Harare, has apt need to be resuscitated at all cost. The theory on Muzarabani need, to be given due attention as, according to the 1964 Blueprint, as well as the most rent 2011 half agreement between China and Zimbabwe. The country was to and can still benefit much from, not only irrigation, but also electricity generated in the same context as the Batoka Project even though this dam will be localised in Muzarabani North Constituency.

Mr. Speaker Sir, my fellow legislators from Masvingo Province can testify how much they have gained from the Mutirikwi Dam's supplying irrigation water to Chiredzi, Triangle and Hippo Valley regions. The same stretch is what we have in Muzarabani North, Gaerezi and Chiwenga areas. Over 40 000 hectares of once proposed sugar cane production land, still lies in Muzarabani North awaiting the project to kick start. Ironically, alternative Zambezi river water is less than 2 kilometres from these 40 000

hectares of arable sugar production stretch of the land, which in my opinion, Mr. Speaker Sir, can complement the Chiredzi, Hippo Valley, and Triangle sugar project which is already operational. We need sugar in Muzarabani.

Muzarabani remains in dire need of better communication network in the form of roads and bridges and even telecommunication. May I make it clear to this august House that we cannot access ZBC radio and TV services in Muzarabani. The radio and television booster upgrading programme once raised by ZBC as way back as the 1980s, has died a natural death in Muzarabani North Constiutency.

About roads and bridges, it is my singular honour to thank the Government over the allocation of the state of art road grader which my constituency recently acquired in fulfillment of our election promise to the people. I, however, remain with the nagging challenge which goes back to geography once more. Since Muzarabani falls into a rift valley category and is mainly flatland, flooding is prone to affecting roads and bridges in the event that excess rains fall. So, high level bridges ought to be constructed in Muzarabani North.

Mr. Speaker Sir, on education, Muzarabani still remains, "at the back of beyond", with only 23 primary schools and seven of them are pole and dagga structures. The whole constituency has only four secondary schools of up to 'O' level and there is no 'A' level. It is a pity to any other person that the phrase, "back of beyond" or kumachonyonyo can best describe my constituency.

Mr. Speaker Sir, through the Ministry of Primary and Secondary Education, Muzarabani kindly begs to be considered to have at least a single 'A' level school plus a significant additional number of secondary schools in all the 12 wards whose population is over 25 000. The substandard primary schools remain a thorny issue to the education fraternity as 33 years after independence; some people in Muzarabani North are still sitting on clay floors and pole and dagga shacks for classrooms.

Mr. Speaker Sir, "Health for all Goal", is being defeated in Muzarabani due to lack of district hospitals. The nearest referral hospital is the Catholic owned St. Alberts Hospital in Muzarabani South Constituency. My fellow legislator, Hon. Chitindi of Muzarabani South can testify to this as he has the bulk of medical patients coming from my constituency, Muzarabani North.

During the era of the late Governor Cde. Border Gezi, at Muzarabani Dictrict Hospital, there was an incident over tender allocation and I hope that this House will consider Muzarabani's plight of remaining the only constituency without a general hospital.

Mr. Speaker Sir, my last presentation is on Muzarabani's economic activities. You may wonder how the people survive, especially with the poor cotton prices. Somehow, despite the West's sanctions, the Lord in heaven made Muzarabani a livestock breeding area. Experiment goats and breeding projects from other donors have proved to produce good results. I can present this august House with more knowledge on livestock production being extended to my constituency since the livestock production may subside that of cotton and sugarcane farming which I highlighted.

Downstream industries sustained through Small and Medium Enterprises (SMEs) are welcome in my constituency, especially to complement the cotton industry. Pressing of cooking oil from cotton seed and production of stock feeds from the residues is only done through Mashco or Olivine Industries in Harare and Muzarabani is crying that such an industry must be located down there.

Mr. Speaker Sir, with this quite lengthy Presidential Speech, I would like to thank you for your time and hopefully, Muzarabani can be understood and addressed with all the necessary attention that it so deserves. I thank you.

MR. CHIMWAMUROMBE: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. My name is Adam Chimwamurombe. I am the Chipinge West Member of Parliament. I am greatly honoured and privileged to be part of this great august House. I would like to thank you again, Mr. Speaker Sir, for recognising me in contributing to the very inspiring speech by the President. I presume that this Eighth Parliament will be a force to reckon with.

Prophetically, the number seven stands for completion or end. This is the end of poverty and oppression, and the Eighth Parliament is going to bring prosperity and empowerment. First and foremost, Mr. Speaker Sir, I would like to thank the people of my constituency who voted me into Parliament. I say to them, the wise and generous people, the day you voted me into Parliament, you said no to poverty and oppression and a big yes to prosperity and empowerment. That is what ZANU PF will deliver. I would like to congratulate the Speaker for being elected to that position as Speaker. You were not favoured, but you deserve it

To His Excellency, the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe and the Commander-in-Chief of the Zimbabwe Defence Forces, and, the First Secretary of ZANU PF, and the Grand Master Planner of our revolution, Cde. R. G. Mugabe, well done - the great gallant son of the soil. Well done Gushungo. You have made all progressive Zimbabwe, Africa and the whole world proud for your very insightful, focused vision and for trouncing our enemy out of his wits on the last 31st July, 2013 harmonised elections.

The enemy is now galloping across the globe like a headless chicken and grabbling at every soul with easy reach like a drowning man. This is what is called sweet defeat. Well done Gushungo. Uyi indoda sibili. May God in His favour abundantly bless you. Long live Gushungo. Long live!

Mr. Speaker Sir, my debate is meant to give a true picture of the current situation in my constituency to stir sympathy, employ and re-engage political leadership, financial partners and aid agencies and also to seek dialogue and agent assistance. Also, to undertake relevant measures to assist the disadvantaged people of Chipinge West. My Constituency, Chipinge West falls under national farming region 5 and as such, it is very hot with salty sandy soils, very dry and arid. It barely receives rainfall. Use of fertiliser in these parts will kill the germinating crops as the mixture of fertiliser and very little rains under very hot and sunny conditions like ours, react very rigorously and will burn the sprouting crop.

Mr. Speaker Sir, because these soils are salty, the most suitable form of production is cattle and goat ranching, of mainly the hard Mashona type and also river sand collection for building houses - [AN HON. MEMBER: It causes land degradation]. Mr. Speaker Sir, small grain drought tolerant crops like millet, rapoko, sorghum and water melons barely survive the little rain water we receive as droughts are persistent and a common feature.

The vegetation is mainly Savanna and the dominant trees there are the Mopani, the Muuya, the Thorn trees, Munyii and Baobab. Mr. Speaker Sir, my people are very poor and almost all the socio-economic groups there have vulnerable livelihoods due to our geographical location. Most young men and women have left the constituency to provide cheap casual labour in the communal and commercial farms of South Africa, Botswana and neighbouring states to earn a living and to sustain their poor immediate and extended family needs with the meager incomes they bring back home after months of toiling, hiding and dodging from the police and immigration officials; how sad.

Mr. Speaker Sir, most girls are marrying young to escape from the prevailing hunger and poverty. Mr. Speaker Sir, when hunger hits really hard, which is often, school going children are forced to fore-go school to stand days on end by the roadside, trying to sell the dried fruit from the baobab and nyii which hardly sells anywhere. As you can see Mr. Speaker Sir, my constituency is in dire straits and needs immediate intervention like yesterday.

Mr. Speaker Sir, my people were displaced in 1952 from the Middle Sabi valley to make way for ARDA and white commercial farmers using the colonial Land Apportionment Acts at that time. This land remains undeveloped and unutilised to date. The transfer of this dormant land will be the single most important empowerment intervention at this point in time, as the Government policy on indigenisation and empowerment will be put to test and cannot be better demonstrated.

Mr. Speaker Sir, farming in the Middle Sabi Valley, which at one time could singularly supply wheat for the whole country is no more and irrigation schemes have come to a virtual standstill due to lack of crop inputs, finance, collapsed water and irrigation infrastructure, shortage of farm implements, markets and access to logistics as well as disconnections of electricity and water, due to non-payment of arrears and high tariff charges - [AN HON. MEMBER: Taurira Chinamasa] - this was as a result of sanctions - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] - and a well orchestrated and deliberate move by our former colonisers who could not stomach our victory. To stifle and even destroy the existing markets and logistics, making it impossible for the black farmer to access these markets and achieve his/her goals.

We all remember the Cairns Foods and ZISCO Steel during the days of Kuni and the Germans Steel were our cash cow and the market was awash with customers. When the Germans left, the market dried up and our steel was said to be full of sulphur or something and at one time was dumped into the sea.

Mr. Speaker Sir, irrigation schemes like the Middle Sabi and Mutema are costly to run for the ordinary farmer as they are designed to pump water twice before the actual irrigation takes place. We have the initial pumps pumping water from the main canal and we have a second set of pumps that pump water from the canals into the fields. This is easy on paper as a design but very costly to the ordinary farmers as the farmer is forced to pay twice, first on the main pump and second on the booster pump.

Mr. Speaker Sir, this has led to the ZESA and ZINWA bills debts swelling up beyond the capacity of the ressettled farmers as well as the communal farmers in the Middle Sabi and Mutema Irrigation Schemes. I, therefore, appeal through you Mr. Speaker Sir, to ask the Minister of Agriculture, Mechanisation and Irrigation Development to intervene and also engage the other regulating authorities to help rectify and change this ugly situation.

I plead with the Minister of Environment, Water and Climate and the Minister of Energy to restructure the arrears and alleviate the debts owed by the farmers. The Ministry of Agriculture should introduce contract farming and triple Ps and also to raise funding from banks for the rehabilitation of the collapsed irrigation schemes.

On the security of the contracts and triple Ps of markets for either wheat, beans, barley, maize, cotton or sugarcane; yes Mr. Speaker Sir, I have just been advised and I am happy to say that the Government has in fact reacted swiftly to apply it by slashing 80% of the farmers' electricity bills and 100% of the water bills, how sweet, thank you Gushungo. Mr. Speaker Sir, my land is dry, arid and prone to recurrent drought and erratic rainfall patterns and water is scarce.

Irrigation is the only mainstay of this constituency and to improve food security and employment, more dams and more boreholes need to be built. I therefore propose and plead with the Hon. Minister Kasukuwere to build a dam on the Tanganda river to resuscitate the Madzadza-Gwerudza Irrigation Scheme which was built by the Hon. Vice President, Amai Joice Mujuru in 2002 - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear].

Mr. Speaker Sir, the construction of the Tanganda dam will remove the problem of pumping and electricity problem in my constituency as the dam will be on high ground and runs naturally through these irrigation schemes.

On livestock Mr. Speaker Sir, livestock projects originally set up by development agencies and well wishers are now collapsed due to lack of funds and weak veterinary services, poor maintenance of paddocks, deep tanks and poor access to viable dairy and beef markets. I appeal to the relevant ministries to assist in re-engaging strategic technical and financial partners to provide support for the re-establishment of livestock restocking projects and irrigated paddocks. Mr. Speaker Sir, the people of Ngaone in Ward 2A would like to start a timber processing plant as means to alleviate hunger and poverty and have identified land for this project. I therefore appeal through you Mr. Speaker Sir, to engage the Ministry of Lands and Rural Resettlement and the Forestry Commission to allocate this needy community, the Zebra and Brakenbury farms, which were originally gazzeted in 1984 for relocation to the landless people of Ngaone but was never done.

Mr. Speaker Sir, this land is neglected; forest fires and rampant cutting of trees are the order of the day. This is money going in flames and nobody seems to care. This land and forest could be put to good use if triple Ps could be set up and a timber and wood pole processing plant built.

Mr. Speaker Sir, communication is vital to growth and development. Deprivation of this necessity is like cutting a people from civilisation, food and water. The GSM reception in my constituency is very poor because of the general topology and low tele-density in the area. Several projects and plans have been put in place but to no avail.

We have seen contractors and construction companies set up camp to start installation, only to abandon the project the next day and we wonder why? Mr. Speaker Sir, could the Minister of Information Communication Technology, Postal and Courier Services assist in this regard, to expand the accessibility and utilisation of information and communication technologies to improve service delivery and accelerate economic growth in our schools, hospitals and all service sectors.

On health, raw, mining, effluent is being discharged into the Odzi and Save rivers from the upstream diamond mines in Chiadzwa. This is illegal and hazardous as the damage is serious and because some of the pollutant chemicals are carcinogenic. Legal action is required as the companies involved can afford to treat their mining effluent and store it in enclosed dams. I wish to implore the Mining, Environment and Water Ministries to take action and suspend any errant companies from operating as this cannot be left to continue unabated.

Mr. Speaker Sir, we have no hospital in my constituency and the sick and old walk long distances of between 25 to 50km to the nearest hospital. The Ministry of Health and Child Care and ARDA could assist in building a hospital at Middle Sabi Valley and complete the Bangwe and Dzika clinics and roads as this could go a long way in curbing the high mortality rate in the area.

Our country is moving forward and the upgrading of pit toilets to proper water systems toilets is now overdue. I, therefore, ask the ministries concerned and well wishers in particular, that in future, they consider in their plans building proper water system toilets in the homes of rural school teachers instead of pit toilets, so as to uplift the teachers livelihood, moral and to also dignify the profession. As we have learnt from water shortages in cities and towns, home toilets can be easily managed where water is scarce.

On roads, Mr. Speaker Sir, the road infrastructure in my constituency is in a very bad state and need rehabilitation urgently to allow easy and speedy access to various areas, facilities and institutions like hospitals, schools, places of work and production. During the rainy season, most areas like the Ngaone to Gombati and Birchenough Bridge to Mutema roads are inaccessible and business can be brought to a standstill. Harvesting of bananas is affected resulting in bananas and tomatoes rotting in fields. Mr. Speaker Sir, roads need to be graveled and graded and broken bridges built.

The Rural District Council in my area is making a lot of money selling river sand from the Musani River but proceeds from this endeavour is not benefiting the locals and even the roads on which the sand is ferried through is in a shameful state. Could the Minister of Local Government intervene so that the community benefits from the river sand proceeds.

A 4km storm drain built to buffer floods from destroying the Mutema and Taona Irrigation Schemes and the townships, clinics and schools is there but is under threat if not repaired on time. I seek therefore, the assistance of ZINWA and ARDA rating to rectify this anomally before the rains descend heavily. On the background that the Meteorology Department has predicted a normal to above rainfall season, the floods would definitely wash away all the infrastructure and irrigation schemes there.

It is pleasing to note that despite the sanctions and harsh economic situation brought about by instigation of the MDC, Britain and America and its western allies to derail our achievements and plans, we are striding on and great achievements are being realised through the implementation of the Zim Asset policies which is a brainchild of ZANU PF.

Just to mention but few, the triple Ps and Community Share Ownership Trusts are a reality. In my constituency in Ward 3A, the Mutema Irrigation Scheme received a lifeline following the establishment of a public-private-partnership investment made between Matanuska and the community. An arrangement was made where Matanuska, the financial and technical partner, rehabilitate the once collapsed and neglected irrigation infrastructure, provide the market and logistics for the banana out-growers scheme.

Matanuska provided four 100HP submersible pumps, installed a more robust water efficient micro-jet irrigation system and a modern pack-shade. This project has seen 240 formally marginalised peasant farmers benefiting with each peasant farmer allocated a quarter hectare plantation. Following this establishment, the first harvest produced an average of 50 tonnes of bananas per hectare. This translated to a realisation of an income of about US$1250 per harvest per farmer compared to a deficit of a minus US$300 when tomatoes and maize were planted under the old system.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker Sir, I will emphasise that, the way to go for Chipinge West in eradicating poverty, is irrigation, irrigation, irrigation and triple Ps, triple Ps triple Ps. On that happy note, Mr. Speaker Sir, I thank you.

DR. J. M. GUMBO : I move that the debate do now adjourn.

MR. CHIBAYA : I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday, 4th December, 2013.



THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION (PROF. MAVIMA): I move that Order of the Day Number 2 be stood over until the rest of the Orders of the Day have been disposed of.

Motion put and agreed to.



MRS. MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA: I move the motion standing in my name that this Hose:

NOTING that the Constitution of Zimbabwe provides for a Presidential Proclamation in setting the venue of the sittings of Parliament;

CONCERNED that the current parliamentary venue does not provide a conducive environment for serious debate;

RECALLING the need to devolve arms of state to bring Parliament to other centres too;


(i) In the short term to change the venue for the sitting of Parliament

(ii) To consider moving the seat of Parliament to Bulawayo

(iii) To provide resources for minimum renovations to the current Parliament


MRS. MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA: I rise to move the motion standing in my name. I say what I say right now on this motion not out of arrogance but merely because I think this is one of the most important motions that we have to debate in this House. I will explain why I think it is the most important motion.

Mr. Speaker, a Parliament shows to the world what a nation stands for. Unfortunately, this Parliament has not been able to show to the world what this country should be standing for. I have listened Mr. Speaker, many times as we have sat in this House and we have thrown things at each other about Parliaments elsewhere. When I visited the United Kingdom and walked in the House of Commons - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] - one of the striking issues was that even though we have had independence from 1980, we still depict everything about the British Parliament. The chairs are just as green, the floors themselves are just as green. Even as you walk into the Senate, the carpet is just as red. I think that should say something about us as Zimbabweans. So, Mr. Speaker if we are going to redefine ourselves as Zimbabweans, if we are going to show ourselves as Zimbabweans, we need to start by redefining this House so that it can show the Zimbabwean on its own. This is not Zimbabwe - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] - when I introduced this motion, things had not gotten as bad as they are today. I speak to this motion with a lot of emotion.

Firstly, some of us were in this House in the year 2000. At least during that time you could tell you were a Member of Parliament. There was some dignity about being in this House. Just to show you Mr. Speaker, how much we have fallen from the ladder. As we were sitting here as Members of Parliament, one of the ladies was going around ticking the names of Members of Parliament, she literally was going over males that are sitting in this House in a short skirt, in a very undignified way. We asked her as we were seated here, as the female Members of Parliament to say, why are you reducing yourself to this particular level? Her response Mr. Speaker, was not a response that can be given to a Member of Parliament. Mr. Speaker, it is impossible to speak if we are going to have this kind of attitude [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] ….

THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER: Order, order, Hon. members, can we have order in this House please. The hon. member may continue.

MRS. MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA: Mr. Speaker, I was going to repeat that as we sat in this House - just to show you how the dignity of the House and the dignity of the Members of Parliament has gone down - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] ….

THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER: Order, order, hon. members, I may ask one of you to go out if you continue making noise. May the hon. member continue.

*MR. CHINOTIMBA: Mr. Speaker Sir, Hon. Misihairambwi Mushonga is talking about dignity whilst the hon. member herself is not properly dressed.

THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER: Order, order, there is no point of order. May the hon. member resume your debate?

MRS. MISIHAIRABWI MUSHONGA: Mr. Speaker, I was saying the level of debate in this House is determined by the way the secretariat deals with honourable members is an indication of what we have been reduced to as honourable members. When we came into this House today, we had a situation where a secretariat was literary jumping over hon. members as she was taking down their names. We asked whether that was an appropriate behaviour and the way she answered back is, and I will say it in Shona, because muri kunyorerana mazita. In other words, you as Members of Parliament …

THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER: Order, order hon. members. The hon. member may not refer to people who may not defend themselves. Please stick to your debate.

MRS MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA: I thank you Mr. Speaker. What I am trying to explain Mr. Speaker is that, the context in which you live, survive or work determines how people begin to relate to you and that relational problem that we are beginning to have, is an indication of the environment in which we are in - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]. We need to change that environment if we have dignity about ourselves and expect to be treated in a particular manner.

I know that many people may not necessarily want to be treated well, but for those of us that want to be treated with dignity, and those of us that want the future of this country and the future of our grandchildren to walk in this House, and when you are called an hon. member, to know that you are being treated like an hon. member, certain things have to change.

Mr. Speaker, let me move to the specifics. When we had the Official Opening of Parliament, as we walked into this House, women were on one queue and men were on another. At that particular point, I actually thought that some of my sisters, I believe they were still my sisters before they started behaving in the manner they are behaving. I thought some of my sisters had become so genderised that they felt they could not stand in the same queue with men.

It was only when we walked into the House that I understood that they had been more cleverer than I had been because they knew that the House we were coming into was so small, that if you were a woman and you had been standing in front of a man, you literary would be squashed between two men. So, women had decided to have a survival method of creating different spaces. That is not a way you should be introduced to your first day in Parliament. Your first day in Parliament should be where you feel, I am a Member of Parliament irrespective of whether you are male or female. But, from the very start of the opening of this Parliament women had to begin to think about survival tactics and there is an issue with that particular situation.

Mr. Speaker Sir, if we were to switch off the lights right now and put this particular House into darkness, you would probably see people beginning to behave differently because naturally, the brain of an individual responds to a context to which they are set in. The small space that we are in, explains the kind of behaviour that we are finding in this House. That people are screaming and shouting in the manner that they are doing, is reflective of the environment in which they are in. You put these particular women who are shouting and screaming on top of their voices in a space in which they are sitting on their own, in which they are being watched by the world, they would understand that certain behaviour does not define the kind of woman that you are. That, that behaviour can only be a behavior of a six year old child and not of an adult.

Mr. Speaker, I have to say this, as one of those women that struggled so much to fight for a higher representation of women, - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] - one of my saddest moments is when I begin to see the women that we struggled for ,behave in the manner that they do. It is my saddest period. I am so sad. Every other House or Parliament in the region right now, it does not matter which country you are going to, even the smallest country like Lesotho or Swaziland, you walk into their House, you have the ability to be connected to your wireless. You have the ability to be connected on ICT - [HON. MEMBERS: Yes, yes]-. You have the ability to go into a committee room and feel that you are in a committee where you are relating.

We have been reduced, as this Parliament Mr. Speaker, where you invite people to a committee and you cannot even give them water to drink. We have been reduced to a situation, I sit on a Committee of Public Accounts, and that of Budget and Finance, and I have seen people that are new comers to those committees asking for capacity building and unable to get that capacity building because we have a Parliament that is now in competition with NGOs. We have a Parliament that in itself has no capacity to be able to do certain things.

Mr. Speaker, it is unfortunate because with this particular motion I had believed that Members of Parliament here would know that you have three (3) particular arms of State. You have the Judiciary, Executive and Legislature, and it is entirely up to us as the Legislature to be able to fight to be treated as an equal partner and not as poor cousins. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, if you now have a situation where you are in such bondage and you have no ability to see that you are in bondage, then you are really messed up because this particular motion is a motion that should have brought everybody who is a legislator standing up and saying, we are not poor cousins in this country.

It is not the Executive that is important. It is not the Judiciary that is important. We are equally important in the rebuilding of this country - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] -. The sad thing about this dayMr. Speaker Sir, is that of these people that are in this House. The majority that I have met in corridors have been complaining about the state of things. They were saying, we cannot get coupons; so we cannot come to the House and you are sitting in this House, you have the ability - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] - am I not glad you are back, Mr. Speaker Sir? I am so glad you are back in the Speaker's Chair. Rambai muchiita noise, vadzoka.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I was just underlining the fact that it is so sad that for this particular motion, which I had assumed that it would be a motion that would bring those of us who are Members of Parliament to agree, because at the end of the day we really are being treated like poor cousins. Many of them have been complaining that they cannot even have the ability to come to Parliament because they do not have the coupons to bring them here, yet today as we sit in this House and have the howling and shouting of a motion which we are supposed to say to ourselves, let us bring these issues to the Executive. So that as they begin to debate the Budget, we can say we cannot continue to have a legislature that is in the manner that it is.

So, Mr. Speaker Sir, this motion is to raise three fundamental issues. The first one is the issue around space. I have had to see hon. members having to sit in the gallery; that is totally unacceptable Mr. Speaker. It is totally unacceptable for people that have been elected to come and sit in the House to reduce yourself to sitting in the Speaker's Gallery and having to stand in corridors. It does not give the dignity that this House is supposed to give.

I am giving an option, Mr. Speaker. The first option that I am giving is that we have the capacity to be able to find a temporary venue as we begin to look at what we are supposed to do in this particular House. There are many places in which we can begin to see what we can do, but the Committee on Standing Rules and Orders and the Committee on Welfare should be given the responsibility to look at what are the possibilities that are there in finding a venue.

It is wrong Mr. Speaker, that when we debate the next Budget, we are going to be again squashed like sardines as we listen to the Budget. We should be looking at an alternative venue.

The second issue that I am putting up as a proposal Mr. Speaker Sir, like I indicated to you; I came to this Parliament in 2000. As we came in and as we debated in 2000, we were already beginning to talk about building a new Parliament. It is from 2000 to 2013, thirteen years down the line, we still have not been able to build - [HON. MEMBERS: Ndipo pakatanga masanctions ipapo] -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Hon. member, switch off your microphone. Hon. members, a motion when tabled and sanctioned by the Speaker, must be given the respect it deserves and therefore, if the mover, currently Hon. Misihairabwi-Mushonga, is making her deliberations, it is only fair and proper that you listen. If you have got anything to the contrary, you can always take the floor and debate accordingly. If I am going to notice any member, heckling unnecessarily, I will definitely ask the hon. member to leave the House. [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]. This applies to both sides of the House - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] -

MRS. MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA: Am I not glad Mr. Speaker that you are back? So, thirteen years down the line, we still have not been able to put up a structure. Mr. Speaker, we can give all sorts of excuses but it speaks to us and what we think is a priority. Five years from 2000 and 2005, there was an identification of a place here in Harare which is usually termed 'The Kopje'. The architects were there, I just cannot remember the name of the company but I know that it was a Zimbabwean company. They had put in the amount of money that it was going to cost and we believed that in the next two or so years, that Parliament would be done but nothing happened to it.

I take responsibility also Mr. Speaker because I was one of those people during the Constitutional making process that agreed to an increase of the numbers to this House. What we then did not do is to think beyond it and say now that we have increased numbers, what should we do in the meantime. So the building should indeed have been put up. That we did not put it up is an indication of what we consider as important to us and clearly as Zimbabwean leadership, we do not believe that the Legislature is important. I think we need to change that.

This brings me to my last point, Mr. Speaker Sir, which was a proposal. You remember I gave a proposal about an interim venue and I am now giving a proposal to say, given the fact that we have not been able to build that Parliament in the time that we were supposed to build, perhaps, it is time that we started considering a new way of doing business. The centre of the Judiciary is in Harare, the centre of the Executive is in Harare and it will only make sense to begin to say, should we not take the Legislature elsewhere in the spirit of what people debated during the constitutional process. During the constitutional process, one of the major issues that were raised by the people of Zimbabwe across the board, it is unfortunate that when this subject is being spoken about, it wants to be always created that it was spoken in certain centres, and not in other centres, but it was a general position that was taken in this country. It was a position of devolution. The people of Zimbabwe were saying; please make sure that all the issues that define Zimbabwe are also in various places. One of the requests that they put across among a lot of other things was to say, what defines the State should also be seen to be in other centres.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I think we have a great opportunity, now that we have not been able to build this new Parliament, to take the new Parliament elsewhere. My proposal in this motion is to say, let us take it to Bulawayo. I am sure other members may feel differently. Let me explain to you why I am making that proposal.

I am making the proposal about Bulawayo because we have debated in this House that if we begin to create certain centres of activities, certain centres where the State is forced to do certain things, because you now have a structure that is there, you will begin to create some economic activities. Mr. Speaker Sir, it is not that we all know that Bulawayo has been an industrial hub in Zimbabwe. That hub has died mostly because we do not have things that are happening in that particular area that attract attention.

Let us just use South Africa as an example; if you were to go to South Africa right now, Pretoria for example; that is the center of the Executive. If you move to Cape Town, it is the center of the Legislature. You will be able to see that even the growth that is happening in Cape Town may not necessarily be explained by the mere fact that it is Cape Town. It is explained by the fact that Cape Town houses the Legislature. If someone is coming into South Africa, it makes sense to go to Pretoria so that you can engage with the Executive. It also makes sense to also go to Cape Town so that you can engage with the Legislature in Cape Town.

I know that because of the challenges that we have heard, the spirit of lobbying may not be as it is supposed to be. In most countries in the Southern region, if you get into Parliament, most of the rooms are rooms where serious lobbying is taking place because different stakeholders are coming to push an agenda. You are an industrialist, Christian or feminist; you are coming to lobby those people in Parliament so that they can go and push your agenda. That in itself forces people to begin to move into that space so that they can begin to lobby because Parliament is generally about creating lobby groups so that you are able to bring your issues into the House.

If we were to move this particular Parliament into a different centre, it would mean that those that want to lobby will have to be forced to go to Bulawayo. It is interesting to note that when I put this motion on, the responses that I heard from my colleague hon. members were quite interesting. Many of them started asking me whether I thought there was accommodation in Bulawayo and where would I stay. For me, it was an indication of the fact that we actually have other hon. members that probably have never been to Bulawayo. Therefore, they absolutely do not have any understanding of what Bulawayo is all about. That in itself is an indication of a problem that we need to deal with because a rounded Legislature, somebody who is going to represent an entire nation should be able to appreciate the different centres that we have in the country. The very fact that Bulawayo holds and hosts ZITF which brings thousands of people into Bulawayo; somebody would imagine that they would not be able to host these particular individuals.

Like I said Mr. Speaker, Bulawayo is only one part that I have pushed because I think it is one of the largest cities that are there. The principle should not be about Bulawayo, it should be about devolving the centres and make sure that all these other things that define what makes Zimbabwe are also found in different places. If somebody has a suggestion about what we need to take from this centre to Manicaland, it would make a difference; to Masvingo, it will make a difference. The idea is; let us look at the principle of making sure that everybody has access.

There is a term that is usually used and sometimes we laugh about it but sometimes it means a lot. Zimbabweans talk about Harare as bambazonke. Many times, you hear that terminology being used and I think if we, as this Eighth Parliament would be able to take a bold decision and say we are moving the Legislature to Bulawayo, it would make a huge difference.

I usually find in your Speaker's Gallery children from different schools. I do not know whether you have noticed. You probably have not found children that are coming from Binga or Tsholotsho because they are so separated from the Legislative arm. I think it is important… -[HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]- My own introduction to this Parliament was through a lady called Margaret Dongo. At no time, had I believed that there is a possibility of some young woman coming from some high density suburb in Glen Norah being able to come and stand in this august House. It was a myth. I thought the House was about the Hon. Mnangagwas or Joshua Nkomo. I had not believed that it was possible for a young woman who is coming from Glen Norah to be here in this particular House.

What gave me the passion for coming into this very House was when Margaret Dongo asked me to come and sit in that gallery and I watched her speak and exchange with other males. I watched Hon. Mnangagwa standing up and I realised that there was nothing so spectacular about being a Member of Parliament. It was possible that I would go and stand up and become a Member of Parliament. I want that, for a woman who is in Lupane and for a twelve year old in Binga. I want them to be able to sit in that gallery and be able to say, that can be me tomorrow -[HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]-

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Hon. Chikwinya and Hon. Khumalo, this is my last warning before I march you out of this hon. House. Can you carry on?

MRS. MISIHARABWI-MUSHONGA: Mr. Speaker, this is not to be rude. It is merely to make a point and it is going to be my very last point. I did initially touch on it but it is going to be my final point. It is about the capacity training that you provide for us as Members of Parliament. Capacity Building has always been at the centre of Parliament. It creates the kind of growth that we need. If you are going to have your hon. members in this House deliver in the committees in which we have been placed, unless we have enough time to understand why we are in those committees, we will have a wasted five years. The very fact that for this year, it has been a struggle to get those Capacity Building workshops going, this House has now been reduced to going with a begging bowl. Not only a begging bowl as the House itself but a begging bowl even in terms of the secretariat itself.

Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether you know this but I need to put it…

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Will the hon. member address the motion? I thought you were going to discuss the aspect under (iii) in your motion to wind up.

MRS. MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA: Yes, Mr. Speaker, that was…

MR. SPEAKER: And that has nothing to do with Committee Systems here.

MRS. MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA: I had looked at resources but it is fine Mr. Speaker, I can limit it to the issues around renovations. The last point is just to speak on the issues around what we can do in the interim around renovations which is why I was saying let us link up the interim venue to what is possible to do even with the renovations of this House. I think during the time that we are going for Christmas, if we put somebody urgently now, to begin to look at some of these things when we are not sitting in the House, they may be able to present to us something that is workable. It will be very sad Mr. Speaker, if we were to get into 2014, and we would come back to this House which I have indicated is British in all forms and senses. I, for one, as a proud African woman, would want to come to a House that is totally and completely Zimbabwean. I thank you Mr. Speaker - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]-

MR. SPEAKER: It is not usual for the Speaker to speak, but I want to assure you on the last part, that things are being put in place. This is why I have said, your motion is very important -[HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]- Furthermore, just to put everybody on track, Part 9, of our Constitution entitled - General Matters relating to Parliament, Section 150, Venue of Parliament is the sub-heading. Parliament may sit at places other than the ordinary seat of Parliament but only on grounds of public interest, security and convenience. I thought I should put it straight to the House so that those who debate later, are more focused -[HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]-

MRS. MATIBENGA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I rise to add my voice to this important motion. I also want to thank the hon. member for raising this motion. Half the time, people do not talk about themselves. I think this is one great opportunity for us as Members of Parliament to talk about the work environment and indeed, where we are supposed to execute functions as the representatives of the people who elected us into this House. I think the background that has been raised by the mover of the motion, that this House when you watch television and you watch question time of the House of Commons in that dreaded country, it is really similar. They have the green seats, the green carpet and all that.

I am sincerely hoping Mr. Speaker, thank you for your assurance that you are working on something that is going to make Parliament conducive to our situation. I would also like to say that over and above the way we operate here and the environment in which we operate, we always find that there are those people that carry out a lot of surveys. They do a lot of research on the performance of Members of Parliament. I am hoping that the same people will also add their voice in understanding that and underscoring that, it is important for a worker, for them to become productive that the place from which they are operating is also conducive.

I know that in our Government and in my previous life, there is a drive, modernisation, a drive to Result Based Management and I suppose it also applies to this arm of Government, the Legislature that we also work around RBM. That is related directly Mr. Speaker, because the environment in which we are working, equals the results that we will produce.

I would also like to say that moving Parliament to where the proposal made by the mover of the motion, moving to another site, would really augur well with the letter and spirit of devolving power, the letter and spirit of devolution of activities in our nation. I want to thank you Mr. Speaker.

DR. J. GUMBO: Thank you Mr. Speaker. You actually said that you are a Speaker who should not speak, but you took words from my mouth. I was just going to stand up and thank Hon. Misihairabwi-Mushonga for this motion. It is a very important motion. There is nothing totally wrong with it. We should support it from all sides of the House. The only problem is that, at times, when we have got a good motion, we tend to put too much salt and spice. We then overcook and it does not come out nice. If you look at the motion as presented and moved by the hon. member, there is nothing to go against in noting that the Constitution of Zimbabwe provides that the venue can be changed. It is correct and we can support that and there is nothing wrong about that.

The second point is that we are concerned about our venue and you know that. You see how we scrounge in order to find a seat; there is nothing wrong about that. The hullabaloo that was taking place in the House is when people now start talking about issues that then, will end up other members not being happy about. Like when we start talking about teas and so forth. The other side obviously has to know that she is a very experienced politician. We will start saying, we are not having tea or biscuits like last time and before, because of sanctions. So at times, we should just avoid - [HON. MEMBERS: inaudible interjections] - We should just avoid such things. This is a fact. Let us avoid things that will cause us to delay from talking which is as good as this one.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I also want to put across to the House that I heard and most probably some members do not know how people sit in the British Parliament. We are far better. In the British Parliament, there is no sitting space - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] - Can I speak to Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Hon. Misihairabwi, I protected you and now you want to be the ring leader?

DR. J. GUMBO: The point I was making is that in the British Parliament, Members of Parliament are always standing on the eaves, because there is no space and that is what is happening here. Then there are green seats and a green carpet and so forth. I can understand when the hon. member is talking about everything being green, because MDC is green, everything is green. So she is saying everything is about devolution …

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. May the hon. member withdraw the green references, because it has nothing to do with this? Please address the motion.

DR. J. GUMBO: Thank you Mr. Speaker. It is unfortunate that I was standing up earlier before you came in, I wanted the hon. member to withdraw the word green because it was mentioned when you were not here.

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. member, withdraw.


MR. SPEAKER: Thank you.

DR. J. M. GUMBO: Mr. Speaker, the point that I want to make is that, there is no need for us actually to belabour on this motion. This is a very good motion, we thank you for it. The suggestions that you are making and the point that I wanted to make as a contributor from this side of the House, is what Mr. Speaker has already said. It is really a problem that when you come here, sit and debate when some members are in the Gallery, we are also depriving members of the public to come into the Gallery because there is no space. There is nothing wrong about that. We totally agree with you.

So, I am only standing up to say that, your motion is being supported. I stand up because I have discovered that it appeared like, maybe the impression that can be created is that, we, from this other part of the House are not supporting the motion. It is only because of the statements that the contributor and the mover of the motion were putting into the debate that was causing a lot of disharmony.

So, that is about this motion. We totally support your motion from this side of the House. It is actually a motion that does not need us to digress at all. We have to support and if it is possible, well, not only Bulawayo but I would also want the Parliament to move to Gweru. You are making a very good point. In South Africa, and Germany, they do the same. We can also do the same, and then our people actually can get motivated about Parliament and support what is happening in the country. This is why I am saying, the motion is a good motion. There is nothing wrong with it and we support it. So, you can go and rest knowing that we support you through and through on the motion. I thank you very much.

MR. GABUZZA: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I had no intention whatsoever to make a contribution on this motion. I thought it was a straightforward motion - [MR. CHIBAYA: Chief Binga] -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. May the member who said Chief Binga withdraw the statement because he is an hon. member and not Chief Binga?

MR. CHIBAYA: I withdraw Mr. Speaker.

MR. GABBUZA: Thank you Mr. Speaker, he has just removed some borrowed robes. I was saying that, I had no intention but perhaps we need to highlight a few things. Three things are critical in this motion as proposed.

The mover of the motion is requesting for a short term change which I think many people had not initially seen is being proposed. Why is she asking for a short term change of venue? That is specifically for point number 3, to do some minimum renovation of the current Parliament. I am sure all of us do agree that our Parliament needs minimum, not maximum but minimum renovations. Just from the sitting arrangement, I had hoped that Hon. Pasihomusha-Matiza was going to be around.

It is very possible to increase the sitting space within this particular Parliament because just moving in between the space, the moving alleys are just unnecessarily wide and it is very possible to put at least three rows of sitting there. That could give us an extra 60 or 80 seats, which is quite necessary because the situation in which we find ourselves in, particularly at the events like the Opening of Parliament, it is really an international embarrassment. You cannot have a situation where Members of Parliament are crammed, struggling and pushing for space. Sometimes one has to leave his lunch to make sure that he comes in early or else you do not get a place to sit. I do not think that is the best that we really expect out of hon. members. It actually ceases to be honourable whilst you behave in that manner because we are not expected to be scrounging for space.

Mr. Speaker, look around our building. This Parliament is supposed to have one colour, unfortunately if you look around; there are more than three colours. Sometimes, the paint because of the nature of the age of the building, it fails to stick to the building and as a result, we have patches all over. Certainly, that is not very good. It is an eyesore and not good for anybody to look at. And, look around the number of microphones all over, some hanging on twines and, I am sure that this is not modern technology. There are better ways of putting them. That is why we need minimum renovations.

Certainly Mr. Speaker, this is the only Parliament where we do not have television cameras. That is a necessity in a modern Parliament. When members are debating, we must be able to see them on the screen whenever we are at home. That is democracy and bringing Parliament to the people. Because, we do not have those facilities, on the opening of Parliament when the President is around, our own numbers are large and bringing in the journalists who will be dressed in very funny shapes, colours and sizes. It really looks awkward with cables all over. It is really not very nice. I am sure that we need that break so that we allow Parliament to do a bit of renovations.

There are so many things that need to be done. Just the car park, we have plenty of space, but if it is reorganised in the manner that perhaps we have two, three or four layers within that available space, it would cater for enough of our few vehicles that we have. I am sure that some of our officials work from Pax House, renting accommodation. But, we have plenty of space around Parliament which could be renovated. That is why I strongly support this idea of a temporary closure of this current sitting area so that we allow for renovations. As for the venue where it has to go, of course, Midlands will be most preferred because of its centrality but because the mover of the motion has to lobby, Bulawayo is not a bad idea, so as Binga is not a bad idea. There is actually plenty of water and people will enjoy themselves around there.

So, the venues as have already been indicated, it can be anywhere but we cannot dispute the fact that a lot of minimum renovations have to be done in this Parliament to allow for the dignity of the third pillar of the State to continue to be recognised. I thank you Mr. Speaker.

MS. MANGAMI: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I have also risen to add my voice to this important motion raised by Hon. Misihairabwi-Mushonga. Most of the points have actually been stated but there are a few which I think have not been mentioned.

Mr. Speaker Sir, her idea of moving Parliament to some other places, while I do not actually dispute it, it also encompasses some other challenges like accommodation again for Members of Parliament. I would rather suggest that a permanent solution is found as the speaker has suggested. In moving, there are so many things that we may not be able to sponsor in terms of the amount that is required for members to move around. When we decide a certain venue, it means that we are also disadvantaging other areas where members are travelling to very far. However, if Government has enough money, it is important that we have a permanent place since we are having these big numbers for two terms. Ten years is not a joke for people to be sitting in a crowded manner as we are.

I was also going to look at the idea of our car park. Right now, it is congested, yet we have some other members who do not have cars at the moment. So, when we all have cars, I think it is going to be a mammoth task for them to bring their cars here. I want to believe if that can also be looked into, within a short space of time, if ever we are going to have an addition of a number of cars from other members.

Thirdly, having looked at other things which I feel the accommodation in terms of Members of Parliament. The idea of renovating this building, in most cases, these renovations might be expensive yet they are not conclusive on their own.So, Mr. Speaker, I am of the idea that the proposal to have a bigger place where all members are going to be accommodated is actually speeded up so that there are no members who are in the Speaker's Gallery.

I was also looking at the current arrangement, how would one debate? I was in the Speaker's Gallery when we sat this afternoon and I thought, if I want to debate, do I come down or I can do it from the Visitors' Gallery? So, I think it is important that something which is mobile is actually at the Speaker's Gallery including our Order Papers. They should also be taken up there because there will be members. Thank you very much Hon. Misihairabwi-Mushonga for raising this important motion. I thank you.

MR. MARIDADI: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, I rise to add my voice and to give another perspective to this very important motion, as introduced by the hon. member. Mr. Speaker Sir, the first time I had association with this august House, was when I was a young boy coming out of the dusty streets of Mabvuku. I came into this august House and met Hon. Dr. Zvobgo. He was a Member of Parliament in the company of other members and he asked me where I was coming from. We were a group of young boys and I responded and he asked what I was doing at school and I responded then he said, "You go into the Speaker's Gallery and I am going to be debating. I am going to debate very wisely and I want you to become a Member of Parliament when you grow up." I said to myself, when I grow up, I want to be a Member of Parliament like Dr. Zvobgo who debates very intelligently.

That is why, Mr. Speaker Sir, I have a problem when Members of this august House rise and debate in a manner that is not intelligent. Mr. Speaker Sir, necessity - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] -.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order, hon. member, your statement by insinuation is unparliamentary, if you could withdraw it please!

MR. MARIDADI: I withdraw the 'intelligent' part Mr. Speaker Sir. Necessity is the mother of all inventions and the reason the hon. member says, you must move to another venue, is because it has become a necessity to do that.

Often time when we talk about our situation we want to make comparisons with the developed world, especially the UK and we are talking about the House of Parliament in Britain. We do not want to be like the British House of Parliament where Members of Parliament Mr. Speaker Sir, debate whilst standing because there is not enough space. We do not want to be like that. We are Zimbabwe and we want to be Zimbabwe in all manner.

Mr. Speaker, one of the questions I asked Dr. Zvobgo when I came in here as a young boy was that, when you phoned Parliament, the music you would hear when you are on hold on the Parliament telephone was a song that was done; and the irony of it is very interesting, by a band called, "The Average White Band." Mr. Speaker, later in life when I became a DJ, I listened to that song and the irony of that song to this House, is unbelievable. What we need to do now, in the spirit of devolution and as a matter of urgency is to move - [HON. MEMBERS: Sing the song you are a DJ, sing the song].

Mr. Speaker, I want to give a brief history of this country. In 1924 - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] - when Rhodesia became a self governing country, there were two gentlemen in Bulawayo, Richard and Charles Corglen. There was a referendum which was held pertaining to whether this country had to remain a province of South Africa or it should go in the direction of a responsible Government. The referendum was held in Bulawayo because it was the hub of all Government activity. The vote in Bulawayo at that time Mr. Speaker Sir, was 1 800 people for a responsible Government and less than 100 against a responsible Government. In Harare, the same referendum was held at the same time and the results were 400 for responsible Government and less than 100 for remaining a province of South Africa.

The reason I am giving these figures, Mr. Speaker Sir, I am trying to place this debate to make hon. members of this House realise that Bulawayo once upon a time was the centre of all Government activity and the first Speaker of this Parliament, Mr. Speaker Sir, was a resident of Bulawayo and I can tell you exactly where he stayed. Next to the Sports Club which is in Bulawayo, that is where he came from. He drove from that place to Harare for Parliamentary business. In any case, if Parliament withdraws from this venue to another venue, it is called strategic withdrawal and we will come back. It has happened all over the world, Mr. Speaker Sir.

When I went to Lancaster House Mr. Speaker, I went into the House where the Lancaster House Constitution was signed. I got into that House and I was told by the guide, 'you are from Zimbabwe; that is where President Robert Mugabe sat when he signed the Lancaster House Agreement and that is where Dr. Joshua Nkomo sat.' That House, Mr. Speaker Sir is no longer being used for conferences because it is old, they want to preserve the furniture and the furniture is no longer usable. They are going for conferences in another venue; they are actually going for conferences in a hotel room. So, Mr. Speaker, there is nothing amiss about moving this Parliament strategically to another venue in Mutare, Gweru or Bulawayo.

When the mover of this motion was debating, Mr. Speaker, there are times when hon. members of this House debate, you say to yourself, this should have been live and our people should have been seeing this. The debate was wholesome, very fulfilling and it is unfortunate that there was all that heckling, so much that we miss some of the important points that were raised by the hon. member. But Mr. Speaker Sir, adding my voice to this motion, I am for the idea that as soon as possible, this House withdraws from here to another venue while we carry out renovations. I thank you Mr. Speaker for giving me your time.

MS. N. CHIKWINYA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I also stand to add my voice to the motion that has been raised by the hon. member. It is indeed a very good motion but she strayed a little bit when she responded to the gallery and started referring to other female Members of Parliament as school kids. I do not think that was called for but nevertheless, yes, it is on record - [AN HON. MEMBER: Are you the Speaker?] -

-[AN HON. MEMBER Iwe nyarara kani.] -

MS. N. CHIKWINYA: Handisi kutaura neweba ini.

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. member, address the Chair.

MS. N. CHIKWINYA: Nevertheless I would want to say the issue of training and capacity building she alluded to is very important. We are coming from very different backgrounds. For some of us, this is our very first time and some of us, tanga tiri musango. We would want to learn as much as possible, about how this whole thing works for the benefit, not only of our male counterparts but female counterparts as well. That is why the Government took a stand to have a sizeable number of women into Parliament so that we get to learn and we move as a nation. I am saying the issue of capacity building is indeed important.

Having said that, the issue of space is indeed important. We need space but we must also appreciate the fact that things are not as rosy as we would want them to be. Issues of space may take a longer time to be addressed but I am glad that Mr. Speaker has indicated that, this is a matter of urgency and something would be done soon. I sincerely hope it will be done as soon as possible.

Parliament is a place of role models like what the hon. member has alluded to. She is a role model of Margaret Dongo. He is a role model of the late Eddison Zvobgo and we must be role models of generations to come. Therefore, our behaviour should be parliamentary. The way we talk, eat, dress and laugh should also be parliamentary. Mr. Speaker at one point indicated to us that there is a dress code that is befitting to hon. members. I sincerely hope that we will take heed of that and move in that direction.

Capacity building must not just be for Members of Parliament but I think our staff has to be capacitated on the way they handle their offices, the way they talk to us and the public.

MR. SPEAKER : Order! May I plead with the hon. member to stick to the motion?

MS. N. CHIKWINYA : Ho-o ndabuda . I am sorry Mr. Speaker, if I went out of the motion. What I wanted to say is that, this whole place should be very parliamentary, dignified and whatever we do in here should depict, not just us but the nation at large.

MS. T. KHUMALO : I would also want to add my voice to the motion that was moved by Hon. Misihairabwi-Mushonga. A lot of issues pertaining to the state of this Parliament have been raised. I want to take one dimension on the issue of overcrowding in this Parliament. Come winter, Mr. Speaker Sir, everyone of us who is going to sneeze, the whole Parliament is going to suffer from a cold. Meaning to say the resources that we have allocated to our clinic are going to be overwhelmed treating these hon. members.

For example, I am asthmatic. It has been a tall order for me to sit in this Parliament because of the dust and sadly, recently for the past three weeks, you have been painting the building. No one bothered to inform the hon. members especially those that have allergies to say the Parliament is under renovation, there is painting taking place.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I would like to thank Hon Chimene because I got a severe asthma attack when we were holding one of our committee meetings. She went out of her way for me to be carried by an ambulance to a hospital - [HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear] - I would want to salute her and it shows that we are a team and whatever happens to either side, we are supposed to come together so that we solve the problem.

I am praying to you so that you get them to clean this carpet. I am here today and I am being forced to take medication as a precaution for me to come in here. It is taxing on my body. Chances of me coming to Parliament are going to be so slim. When it comes to you Mr. Speaker, are you going to chair without all these hon. members because we would all be suffering from a cold? I pray that the same issue is looked at as of yesterday, so that we are not denied the right for you to tell us that we are out of order and you want to give us time out.

MR. MADZIMURE : I have a few things that I would want to raise regarding this motion. The issue of exposure - as we move around in other countries, what we see is quite different. It is taxing on you Mr Speaker, to keep an eye on all of us. The reason why we have so much heckling in this House is because quite a number of hon. members think that you cannot see them because of the manner in which we sit in this House.

For example, if you look at the accommodation of hon. members in Kenya, Ghana and Rwanda, the situation is that each hon. member has his or her own chair. Each hon. member can access a power point, you can connect your computer and you can debate. It is technologised. This is how capacity is built around hon. members. We must be able to do so. Here, when I want to debate, you have to move from your own usual place to another place and that causes a lot of inconveniences.

If you have your own notes that you want to refer to and you have left them at your usual sitting place, it becomes difficult for you to go back to that place to pick up your notes. The issue of our space limits us to a point where we cannot use all the gadgets that are now available.

In some Parliaments, you even have drawers at each particular chair. Each hon. member has his own drawer where you can put some of the documents that you do not need on the desk as you are not debating. This is what we do not have in our Parliament. The space that you occupy gives you some sort of dignity.

Here, we are forced to like each other because we are squashed and we have to enjoy each other even if you hate that person - [Laughter]. This is something that we have to look at seriously. When it comes to the place where these parliamentary sessions can be held, imagine if we are to move to Bulawayo. The opportunities that are opened in Bulawayo itself will attract a number of hon. members to do business in Bulawayo. What you see around is what informs your mind and this is exactly the perception that will start building in you to believe that in Bulawayo, business can also be undertaken there. I can also build a house in Bulawayo and that gives opportunities for those who draw plans, bricks, cement and so forth. In a way, we are also promoting opportunities in Bulawayo. People are talking about the facilities in Bulawayo whether it will be possible for Bulawayo to accommodate hon. members. There are 270 Members of Parliament especially the National Assembly but Mr. Speaker, Bulawayo has been hosting several functions. Every year, Bulawayo hosts the Trade Fair and have ever people asked where these people will be staying. There will be more than the Members of Parliament.

Hon. Misihairabwi-Mushonga talked about the children in Bulawayo getting exposure. The issue of exposure is important, seeing is believing, the confidence that you build in a child who will have visited Parliament is completely different from a child who has never seen you Mr. Speaker seated in that Chair. It is important for the people of Bulawayo to have this opportunity to interact with you.

The issue of office space in this Parliament leaves a lot to be desired. I was in Juba, South Sudan. This is a new State, if you get into Parliament and you want to see the Chairperson of Justice, the chairperson has an office, fully equipped and also the chairperson has a secretary who is there to serve the committee. If you want information as far as the committee is concerned, you go into the office of that committee. It is air conditioned, all committees have got offices. If I am a member of Finance and Economic Development Committee and I want some details pertaining to my committee, I go to the office of the committee. That is another way of capacitating Members of Parliament. It is important, Mr. Speaker that we look at this issue and consider it seriously because there are several advantages that can be derived from a situation where we have enough accommodation.

Mr. Speaker, in this Parliament, there is no Chairperson with an office, committees have no offices which you can go and refer to. There is no research, there is no committee office equipped with modern technology. When we talk about accommodation, it is not only the question of Members of Parliament seated here, it is a question of other services that we must receive as Members of Parliament. We must enjoy coming to Parliament. At one time a member of the public said, Parliament should have a hot seating, where you have a group coming in the morning and another group in the afternoon.

At the moment, we have a situation where a Member of Parliament is sitting with the members of the public in the gallery there, and cannot debate. Members debate on issues that are raised by people on the floor and you want to respond to that, you cannot do that. There are some Members of Parliament, who always come late and are not used to sitting in the gallery. Those Members of Parliament will never say a word.

Mr. Speaker, I fully support this motion, I hope something is going to be done. The issue of the Executive not having the money it should not arise because we have managed to do some things in a very short period of time. We hosted the UNWTO in Victoria Falls and it was possible to have a structure that accommodated the whole world and people went back to their homes, very satisfied. Why can we not do it for our legislators? The money is there, it is only our priorities.

*MRS ZEMURA: Thank you Mr. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to debate. We also want to be accommodated well here in Parliament, but we need to understand that everything has got its own time. There is nothing that we have done for the people who voted us into this House but we are already looking at comfort.

We are appealing that this thing be accorded a certain time frame for renovations. We know that Parliament is now small and cannot accommodate all members, but it is not proper for us to start calling for Parliament to be moved to Bulawayo because that is quite costly. Our country is ailing right now. The people in the rural areas are still struggling. We should wait for sanctions to be lifted, we can then build a better Parliament that is a replica of the British Parliament or American Parliament. The people in America are also struggling so we should also start by looking at our economy.

Mr. Speaker, I also wish for all things to be there but we should also look at how our people are living in the rural areas. If they hear that we have destroyed Parliament in Harare and we are now moving to Bulawayo when they are waiting for us to deliver; we should look at where we are coming from. We are requesting that renovations be undertaken for us to fit in this august House. Thank you.

MR. MANDIPAKA. Mr. Speaker Sir, thank you for allowing me to contribute to this very wholesome and comprehensive motion. I do not want to take away anything from the motion. I am very comfortable with the motion, but there are certain questions that still linger in my mind. I was looking at the Constitution, Section 150, which talks about the venue of Parliament. Allow me Mr. Speaker Sir, to read that Section which says "Parliament may sit at places other than the ordinary seat of Parliament but only" I want to underscore, Mr. Speaker Sir, "but only on grounds of public interest, secondly, security or convenience." So, I was saying to myself and I was thinking aloud, as we sit right here today, do we have any security threat of any nature that will point to the necessity for us to be moving away from this room? I was just thinking aloud. I hope you understand the language. I was just thinking aloud, do we have any security threat that necessitates us to be moving away from this venue?

I was also saying to myself, the issue of public interest, unless and until the mover of the motion is being defined as public. I know she represents a constituency but at the present moment, is there an outcry that has manifested itself to say, we must rescue the general public and that we must move this Parliament. I was just thinking aloud again. I was also saying to myself, the question of renovating this building is a welcome development. We would want to work from a conducive environment but I was trying to define what a conducive environment looks like.

Then, there was this benchmarking with countries outside our confines or outside our borders. I was thinking, Mr. Speaker Sir, we might or we could have gone too far to try to benchmark with countries whose economies are quite okay. If we were going to look at what is pertaining within the region. I was going to be more comfortable. Why do I say, we cannot compare ourselves with countries that have been cited here like UK. If you look at their economy and our economy, we are worlds apart? We are reeling under sanctions and we must take note of that. There is no way, as of today, we can compare our Parliament with Parliaments outside our confines.

The other point that I would like to make is something to do with international best practices, yes, it is good from an academic point of view to benchmark with international best practices. At the same time, let us also take an analysis of our environment in terms of the economy, the situation that we are in and say, is it a priority for Zimbabweans to be moving Parliament or to be delivering food relief to our people that are starving. I am still questioning all those things. These are just questions that are coming to my mind as I look at this motion.

Last but not least, Mr. Speaker Sir, the mover of this motion was trying to support the Africanness that must be portrayed, even within this environment, but I was also saying as an African moves along the streets, or walks into this Parliament, he or she must also display that Africanness - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] -. If we want to be followed in whatever we say, we must also exhibit and portray an exemplary way of conducting ourselves, even in terms of dress or what we say. So, I am also at a loss, Mr. Speaker Sir, whether the mover of this motion has exhibited to my certification and that of others around, that Africanness which she wants portrayed in this august House.

If we go to the Constitution, the Constitution talks about the need to celebrate the vibrancy of our tradition and culture. I have got another question again, I know we do not have a dress code that binds as a human race or as Africans here in Zimbabwe. I was going to be more comfortable, Mr. Speaker Sir, if at all the country had gone to the extent of having established a dress code that is in conformity with our traditions and our cultures because what we say is what we must live. What one lives is portrayed through what we say.

With those questions, Mr. Speaker Sir, I would want to say, it is all in order that renovations be done but I am not so comfortable with the issue of devolution as it relates to Parliament sitting.

DR. J.M GUMBO: I move that the debate be now adjourned.

MS. D. SIBANDA: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday, 4th December, 2013.



MS. MPARIWA: I move that Orders of the Day Numbers 4 and 5 be stood over until the rest of the Orders of the Day have been disposed of.

MS. D. SIBANDA: I second

Motion put and agreed to.



Sixth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the intermittent power cuts by ZESA.

Question again proposed.

MS. MPARIWA: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

MR. CHIBAYA: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday, 4th December, 2013.

On the motion of DR. J.M. GUMBO seconded by MR. MAHLANGU, the House adjourned at Twenty-Four Minutes to Six o'clock p.m.


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