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Tuesday, 11th February, 2014

The National Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two o'clock p.m.




(MR. SPEAKER in the Chair)



MR. SPEAKER: I will start with the Order Paper, if you could look at page 360, Order No. 3; honourable should have a capital H and capital S for Sibanda. The honourable below should also have a capital H and a capital M for Mutseyami.


MR. SPEAKER: I wish to inform all members that the business of all Committees of Parliament will be suspended from the 17th to 20th February, 2014. This is meant to enable all Committee Chairpersons to attend the Presiding Officers and LCC retreat that will be held at Amber Motel in Mutare from the 17th to 20th February, 2014. The objective of the retreat is to craft the Institutional Strategic Plan for the period 2014 - 2018 as well as design the new UNDP 3 Year Rolling Multi-donor Parliamentary Support Programme.


MR SPEAKER: I have to inform the House that Hon. Mkandla has been assigned to the Education, Sport, Arts and Culture Portfolio Committee and Hon. Beremauro has been removed from the Portfolio Committee on Justice, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs.


MR. SPEAKER: I have to inform hon. members that you are kindly requested to submit your facebook accounts to the Website Administrator in office No. 506 on the 5 th Floor. This will enable Parliament to add them to the facebook Committee groups on the Parliament facebook page.


MR. SPEAKER: Hon. members of the Zimbabwe Women Parliamentary Caucus are kindly invited to a meeting on Wednesday 12th February, 2014 at 09:00hrs in the Senate Chamber.



First Order read: Adjourned debate on motion in reply to the Presidential Speech.

Question again proposed.

MR. M.M. MPOFU: Thank you Mr. Speaker….

MR. SPEAKER: Would you please raise your voice when you speak and your jacket - [AN HON MEMBER: He is not properly dressed] -

Mr. M. M. Mpofu not having been properly dressed resumed his seat.

MR. MATUKE: Thank you Mr. Speaker….

MR. SPEAKER: Can you please come forward. Order hon. members can you bear with us because the equipment is dysfunctional so if you could please reduce you tete a tete so that we can hear him for purpose of recording as well. Please carry on.

MR. MATUKE: Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity to highlight the hopes and aspirations of the people I represent in Gutu Central Constituency, which is located in Masvingo province. The constituency has about 23 000 registered voters and the population should be in the region of 40 thousand people. The constituency is located in agro region 4, which is suitable for semi- intensive farming, due to persistent droughts and low rainfall patterns. The area also has the potential to be self-dependent on its natural resources hence reduce food insecurity and create more employment for the people. However, there are a number of challenges which are hampering my constituency from realising its full potential which will be highlighted below.

Agricultural Sector; the Constituency has 10 wards and three of the wards grow small grains such as mhunga, rapoko and mapfunde, as staple food. This is due to low rainfall and persistent droughts in those three wards. The rest of the wards grow mixed grains, which include maize and the small grains. However, most households experience annual food insecurity because of poor harvest. The constituency has inadequate dams and irrigation schemes but it has an abundance of underground water. In light of this, I would like to appeal to the Ministry of Energy and the Ministry of Agriculture to consider setting up irrigation schemes with water being supplied from solar powered boreholes.

This will promote sustainable livelihoods for the communities as well as improving on food security in the constituency. The President, in his address to Parliament said that Government had received 500 mobile solar units from China and I hope this will be distributed as soon as possible for the benefit of our people. The constituency has an abundance of solar energy and its use is in line with global trends of reliance on cleaner energy which is not harmful to the environment.

Drought relief; Mr. Speaker while this season is promising a good harvest, it is sad however, to note that my constituency experienced a severe drought in the last agricultural season such that many households are in need of food. I would like to urge the Ministry of Social Welfare to speedily implement some of its social safety nets for vulnerable groups. I understand the Ministry of Social Welfare has in place the Social Cash Transfer and Food Deficit Mitigation programs to assist vulnerable members of society. However, in my constituency, there are many households which are still waiting for food assistance from Government, especially the provision of grain and supplementary feeding for young children.

Small to medium enterprises; Mr. Speaker, there is a growth point which is located in my constituency known as Mupandawana. From the time that this centre was awarded growth point status, there has been slow development, in terms of creating industries and other critical infrastructure, which would enable it to acquire town status. Some of the challenges experienced at Mupandawana growth point include the shortage of electricity which is critical in promoting the growth of SMEs in the constituency. Based on the Finscope Survey of 2012, it is estimated that more than 5,8 million people in Zimbabwe are economically dependent on the SME sector. At Mupandawana growth point, there many people with various talents in carpentry, metalwork and dressmaking who are failing to realize their full potential due to shortage of electricity and lack of financial resources. I would like to appeal to the Ministry of Energy to put up a substation near this growth point to provide more electricity. At the same time, the Ministry of SMEs, through SEDCO should have a bias towards rural communities in terms of providing loans in order to stimulate growth hence reduce the unemployment levels especially among the youth.

At this point, I would like to applaud the Government for the agreement it signed with the Export-Import Bank of China, pertaining to the expansion of Kariba South Hydro power station. I also welcome the investment loan that was also extended by the Africa Development Bank to Zimbabwe, early this year, where part of the money will go towards the upgrading of infrastructure in the energy sector. The President in his address to…

MR. MADZIMURE: On a point of order Mr. Speaker. The hon. member is reading his speech. According to the Standing Rules and Orders, he should refer to his notes since it is not his first time to give a speech - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] -

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. Hon. Matuke, you are an old member of the House. You cannot read your speech please. You can refer to some notes.

MR. MATUKE: I am not going to refer to the notes now. Mr. Speaker Sir, in my constituency I have got 10 wards, 3 of which depend on small grains like mhunga, rapoko and mapfunde. There is need for Government to provide boreholes so that we will be able to irrigate the 7 wards which are in my constituency. There are no dams in the constituency. For this reason, there is need for the Ministry of Environment, Water and Climate to facilitate the drilling of solar-driven boreholes so that we will be able to provide small irrigation schemes for my constituency.

There are roads in my constituency which are in a terrible state. There is the Gutu - Bhasera Road, which stretches for about 130 kilometres but only 30 km is tarred and this was done more than 10 years ago. There is need to complete the tarring of that road so that there will be a smooth and accessible road from Gutu to Buhera and Gutu to Bikita.

There is also severe drought in my constituency. Last year, the majority of people in my constituency were unable to harvest because of the poor rainfall pattern in that region. Therefore, there is need for the Government to supplement food to the people in my constituents, especially the age group ranging from 15 years and below.

There is also need to start some small income generating projects for women and youths. I would like to urge the Minister of Women's Affairs, Gender and Community Development to facilitate the provision of small projects for the constituency, especially sewing and potato growing. I hope these projects will assist women in my constituency.

There is need to provide small tools such as those used in carpentry, building and others so that youths will be able to come up with small projects. This keeps the youths occupied because there is a high rate of unemployment in my constituency.

In my constituency, there are two hospitals and one of these is Chimombe Rural Hospital. This hospital is in a very sorry state because the infrastructure is inadequate. The hospital is in such a bad state to the extent that it is now very difficult to refer patients. There is no mortuary and if someone passes on, the nurses will take the remains and place them in the toilet until the relatives come to collect the body. Therefore, there is need to establish a mortuary at that clinic in order to help the community to keep their relatives' remains in a safe place until they make arrangements for burial.

Mr. Speaker Sir, in my constituency, there are 20 schools. Of these schools, 10 are primary and the other 10 are secondary. There is no adequate stationery in the form of textbooks, especially in primary schools. There is need for Government to assist by providing textbooks to make sure that the students are well provided for and match their urban counterparts.

There is also need for Government to consider helping school leavers. There is a population of about 5 000 school leavers. Some of them are graduates while some have finished their Ordinary Level. There is need to create employment for the youths and even come up with programmes which can assist to reduce the number by way of either creating small projects and even employing them somewhere in the urban set ups.

I think there is also need to provide funds for business people in the district. We have got a Growth Point by the name Mpandawana. This Growth point has a population of almost 400 people and almost 50% of the residents of Mpandawana have no source of living because there is no industry and again, it is not easy now to get jobs because most of the residents depend on their agricultural production and other self employment activities.

There is need for Government to consider that and also create an environment in which our business people can borrow and be able to pay after some time because the banks which are there are not able to finance the business community. Thank you very much Mr. Speaker.

MR. M. M. MPOFU: Thank you Mr. Speaker for according me the opportunity to contribute on this Presidential Speech. Firstly, allow me to heartily congratulate you on your election as the captain of this ship - this august House. More so, as our nation stands on the threshold of the most exciting moment of our history yet, the advent of the total economic emancipation and empowerment, I would like also want to congratulate His Excellency, the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe Cde Robert Gabriel Mugabe for his thumping victory and election as President. Mr. Speaker Sir, may I congratulate all the elected members of this august House across the political divide. You and I have been given a mandate to represent the people in our constituencies. We have a moral duty to live up to that calling.

I represent the people of Silobela Constituency and let me hasten to congratulate them for seeing reason in abandoning opposition politics for the sake of opposition and doing the most logical thing, coming to ZANU PF. Together with other patriotic members of the Zimbabwean family, they will never walk alone.

Mr. Speaker Sir, Silobela is a drought stricken constituency, plagued by recurrent and errant rainfall. Year in and year out, crops fail. Hunger and starvation perennially stalk and savage our people with fiendish persistence. As I speak, Silobela has fortunately had significant rains this season but already the all too familiar specter of famine is looming large on our doorstep because crops are likely to fail owing to a shortage of top dressing fertilisers. Nitrogenous fertilisers are urgently required to mitigate the adverse effects of incessant rains. That the majority of the populace in Silobela is wallowing in abject poverty and starvation that totters dangerously on the fringes of destitution only compounds the situation.

While it may be heartwarming to note that the President will ensure that the Government will emphasise on increased reliance on irrigation agriculture, water harvesting and other water conservation techniques, Silobela is without the necessary dams and other water reservoirs to advance the same. Drilling more boreholes, establishment of a Grain Marketing facility at Crossroads, timeous provision of inputs and marketing incentives is what the doctor ordered in weaning ourselves of the endemic donor dependence syndrome and rid us of the shackles of poverty and starvation. Efforts to rehabilitate and upgrade existing irrigation schemes among them Ruya, Donsa and Mayorca are already underway. Leverage is what we are asking for in this regard.

In tandem with what I have just said Mr. Speaker, the people of Silobela have a rich culture of cattle rearing and as part of Zimbabwe's Livestock Drought Mitigation and National Herd Restocking programme, my constituency and others in similar circumstances should be prioritised in resource allocation. I have in mind cattle fattening projects. This, in my view, can play a pivotal role in restocking the national herd if the financial and material assistance is availed to them. Dependence on crop husbandry can easily recede into the quicksand of oblivion.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the scourge of unemployment has reached alarming levels in Silobela, despite Silobela teeming with mineral resources particularly gold. It is not tragically funny that people, particularly the youths, are crossing en mass into neighbouring South Africa and Botswana in search of the so called greener pastures yet through formalised small scale mining, our youths, can be gainfully employed. Mines like Riverlea, Tiger Reef, Maligreen and a host of other claims can be exploited for that purpose. If this avenue is robustly pursued as part of the Government's indigenisation and empowerment programme, this unsavory trend and other potentially dangerous socio-economic ills gnawing at our social fabric as a nation in general and Silobela in particular, can be stalled.

However, it is pleasing to note that the hon. Minister of Mines Cde Walter Chidhakwa and his ministry are already making efforts to formalise the activities of small scale miners through syndication. I would like to thank the President and the minister for that.

In the field of education, Zimbabwe prides itself as one of the best on the continent in terms of literacy levels, thanks to our President and the Government's deliberate policies of expanding the education sector. Silobela has benefited immensely as manifested in the number of primary and secondary schools that have been and continue to be built. Of concern however, is the measly number of 'A' level and boarding schools. There are only three high schools in this sprawling constituency namely Loreto, Fatima and Silobela of which Loreto is the sole boarding school. The constituency could do with more high schools to cater for the ever growing number of pupils seeking advanced level education. Fatima and Silobela can easily be upgraded into boarding schools.

One other disturbing thing is that, only a paltry four schools are electrified. The schools in the constituency need to be electrified and equipped with computers and other gadgets in keeping with modern trends in education and the world of work.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the same predicament afflicts the health institutions in my constituency. All the clinics in my constituency have no electricity and are inadequately equipped to cater for the medical need of the people. All of them are not electrified and all of them except Mazebe and Donsa do not have expecting mothers' shelters. The only referral hospital in Silobela is so overwhelmed that the people have to cross into Nkayi in Matabeleland or Kwekwe to seek medical care, particularly maternity services. The health facility is dogged by a host of challenges ranging from staff accommodation, offices, wards, supplementary power sources and maternity facilities among others. Bridges linking the hospital, school and the business centre are so low that they are constantly flooded leaving the people requiring medical attention stranded. Ward 15, Somoza - also needs a bridge to link them to Python, ward 18 where they grind their mealie-meal. Already, there are reports of one of my constituents having fallen victim of a crocodile attack while crossing the river at that point. The people of Gande, ward 33 urgently needs a clinic. They walk more than 10 kilometers to either Nkayi or Mazebe for help.

Mr. Speaker Sir, there are projects on the drawing board for which Government's help is sought. They include, among others, the establishment of a vocational training centre to cater for the droves of youths who are being churned out of our schools so that they can be trained in trades that will help sustain them should they not get formal employment. The other is the establishment of a satellite school of mines to be seconded to flagship mines like Jena Mine to provide basic safety and mining skills to small scale miners operating in the constituency. This will not only improve safety standards but will also significantly boost production.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the other pertinent project the people of Silobela want to see done by their Government is the completion of the tarring of the road that links Silobela and Kwekwe. For the past years, we have agonisingly awaited the realisation of this dream but in vain. Tarring that 20 kilometre stretch has become an unimaginable nightmare, notwithstanding Silobela's boundless economic potential. Let me however thank ZINARA for providing graders to rehabilitate Silobela's roads.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I am thrilled to realise that our Government attaches great importance to the empowerment of its civil servants. To this end, I subscribe to the notion of the upgrade of their institutions' infrastructure and conditions of service. Most of them notably, teachers, health practitioners, agriculture and extension services personnel, the bulk of whom did not desert during the unforgettable economic crunch are living and working in squalid and deplorable conditions. They do not have electricity and other necessities. I would appreciate if the Government addresses their plight expeditiously to attract and retain the same.

As I wind up my contribution to this debate, I would like to rally all patriotic Zimbabweans to unite in calling for the removal of the illegal sanctions by the West and to spiritedly fight corruption in all Government departments. These are the biggest evils impeding Zimbabwe's general prosperity. Zimbabweans should also shy away from the petty political differences and vigorously support the ZIM-ASSET blueprint so that we steer our beloved country from the quagmire of economic stagnation.

Lastly, I would like to thank you once again for this opportunity to contribute to this debate in keeping with my mandate to represent the people of my constituency. I look forward to continued fruitful debates in this august House. I thank you Mr. Speaker.



MR. SPEAKER: Order, I wish to recognise the presence in the Speaker's Gallery of members of Msasa Project and survivors of gender based violence. You are most welcome - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]-

MR. MARUMAHOKO: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I stand to join the rest of my colleagues who have responded to the debate on the Presidential Speech. Before doing so Mr. Speaker, let me congratulate His Excellency, the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe for resoundingly winning the 31st July, 2013 elections. In doing so, I must also not forget the party itself ZANU PF, which was being represented by the hon. members here present for winning that important election.

Mr. Speaker, the Presidential Speech in every country, when tabled before Parliament, is a speech which both the opposition and the ruling party will be able to join hands and debate on the issues raised by the Head of State. Mr. Speaker Sir, I am surprised by the opposition of this country who have boycotted the Presidential Speech - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.] - Having said so, let me also congratulate you for having been appointed to the seat of the Speaker of this Parliament and your deputy as well.

Mr. Speaker, I would want to dwell on international politics. My contribution is targeted at the icon of Africa, the son of the soil, a principled man whose name is Thabo Mbeki, the former President of South Africa. As we sit in this Parliament, we owe an appreciation to Thabo Mbeki. The former President of South Africa Mr. Speaker, made Zimbabwe what it is today. After we went through the 2008 elections where the regime change agenda was at play, the enemies of Africa and Zimbabwe were ready to pounce on Zimbabwe. Thanks to former President of South Africa, Thabo Mbeki that he came in and assisted in resolving the conflicts.

Apart from that Mr. Speaker, the whole of SADC states stood by Zimbabwe. They all came to assist the stability and tranquility of this country. It is a pity that when the former President of South Africa had finished his mission that was assigned to him to bring together the parties of Zimbabwe, that is the three political parties after they had signed the agreement.

On his way back to South Africa, he discovered that his Party had recalled him. Madam Speaker, the crime that Thabo Mbeki had contributed was to assist Zimbabwe to come together and form a Government of National Unity. He was also involved in the conflict of Sudan and also stopped the interdict of President Bashir by the ICC; that did not please the enemies of Africa.

Madam Speaker, together with Angola, Namibia and Zimbabwe, they went to DRC and stopped the war which was started by the enemies of Africa in that country. The enemies wanted to loot the diamonds of DRC. Mr. Mbeki is known for his quiet diplomacy which did not please the enemies of Africa. I felt Madam Speaker, it was important for Zimbabwe to recognise his contribution to our tranquility and stability in this country. It is important also if as a country we try probably to name one our roads like we did to Nelson Mandela and the other African leaders. This is a way of acknowledging his participation in the conflict resolution of this continent.

Madam Speaker, if we were to read this book '8 Days of September' written by Chikane who was the Secretary of the Cabinet of South Africa, then you know that politics is at play in this continent. You know why Mbeki lost his presidency in South Africa. Not that the South Africans did not want him but the enemies of Africa did not want him - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] -I say so Madam Speaker because he stood by Zimbabwe. He stood by the continent of Africa wherever the enemy of Africa wanted to destroy the good of Africa. He is a man that all of us here including the opposition should appreciate the good work he has done.

Having said so let me respond to the issues raised by the President here. Our President spoke on the economy of the country. The economy of the country at the present moment is not functioning at all. Our industry is dead. When we went for holiday, I am told, three quarters of the companies that had closed for holiday have not opened up to now to resume their operations. Things are not well out there; it needs efforts for all of us to make sure that we have put together our acts to see that our industry performs.

I was taken aback Madam Speaker, when I heard that an old and huge company that operated in this country for the past decade by the name Reckitt and Colman had closed. They had relocated to South Africa. What it means is that we are faced with a situation like what Lever Brothers is doing today. Lever Brothers is manufacturing in Zambia and exports the goods to Zimbabwe. So, the same situation is going to happen to Reckitt and Colman that is going to manufacture goods in South Africa and export the goods to Zimbabwe.

We cannot be a country which does not look after its companies and let those companies go elsewhere and start exporting to Zimbabwe. We are now reduced to a trading country. I thought when these big companies are in trouble, it was important for our Ministry of Industry to go and liaise with the companies and try and assist as much as possible to make sure that we avoid the closure of these huge companies. Right now the unemployment rate in this country is hovering at 80% and we are here crying for investors yet we are not looking after those who have already invested in this country. There is an old adage in English which says a bird in the hand is worth too in the bush. So, it is important that we look after our industries which are already in the country, assist them where possible if they are facing financial problems. I know we are in difficult times but there are times Madam Speaker, as a country, as a Government, we should go out of our way and assist these industries.

Our economy is driven by agriculture, our economy, is also driven by mining. Today Madam Speaker, the mining industry is also quiet. We depended on gold and the prices of gold internationally have gone down. The price of gold today is US$1.2 per ounce, from US$1 600 which used to be a viable price. So, indeed a lot of gold mining companies have scaled down, most of them are having a skeleton staff, looking after the machinery, looking after the mine without any production going on, waiting for the good moments to come. It means we should also as a country assist where we can. Some of the challenges being faced by the gold mines Madam Speaker are self inflicting. I say so Madam Speaker, as Government when things are at the stage where they are now, we should also look into the challenges that are being faced by these companies. To start with what they are facing now in the gold industry are huge royalties donated to Government. Because there is no production taking place, these companies are unable to meet the electricity bills. The electricity bills - I hear ZESA is about to increase the tariffs, who would be able to afford such tariffs when the current tariffs are a burden to our industry? The mining industry is the biggest user of electricity so I would wish if they could give special rates so that they remain viable.

Our agricultural sector Madam Speaker, yes we have got very good rains here and we were doing slightly better. I look at my constituency Madam Speaker, where if you come to Karoi town right now, you would be surprised the number of vehicles that you see in that small city. The poor people have now been empowered. In every village in my constituency Madam Speaker, there are one or two vehicles which is a situation that never used to obtain in the rural areas. I remember in the 90s when I used to call for some rallies in that constituency and go out of the way to hire transport outside which is not the same today, they have their own transport. They now have their own transport, they drive themselves to the rallies. If you look at the youths Madam Speaker, everyone has a motorbike, it is so impressive to note. This shows where our economy would be if the sanctions were removed. Transport Madam Speaker - without transport you cannot resuscitate the economy. Transport also plays an important part in the resuscitation of our economy. The infrastructure is no more there. I will give an example of the city of Harare Madam Speaker. Right now we have resorted to making one way streets in order to reduce the congestion of vehicles that have increased over the years. Is that enough? What happens when all the streets are one way? One way to where? We need to think beyond that Madam Speaker, we need to go up now so that we upgrade our roads so they can accommodate the huge traffic that is anticipated.

The road from Beit-Bridge to Chirundu is no longer safe for the type of vehicles that we now have today Madam Speaker. The heavy duty vehicles that you see today travel at 120/140 km per hour on roads that were made for the vehicles travelling for less than 100 km an hour ; now we have these vehicles going at that speed and we need wider roads. Yes, Government is trying by all means the meager resources that we have to improve the road from Bulawayo to Mutare but I would wish if the Beit-Bridge Chirundu road could also have a taker who could widen the road because it carries a lot of goods that goes into the country and out of the country. The northern Africa is now getting their goods from South Africa through Chirundu road. Thanks to the One Stop Border Post which was introduced at Chirundu and so efficient all heavy vehicles do not have to spend more than three hours waiting to be cleared.

Our President Madam Speaker also spoke on the Constitution, we should congratulate ourselves particularly the MPs and citizens of Zimbabwe at large for coming up with a homemade Constitution after we have been using the Lancaster House Constitution which was amended so many times and become a Constitution that was not really suitable for today's needs. Yes there could be one or two things that are in the Constitution that we may say we have no choice because it was a compromised document. A compromised document because the three political parties were involved in crafting that Constitution who came from different backgrounds. You look at our Parliament Madam Speaker. Can a country like Zimbabwe afford the number of MPs that we have? Of course not. -[ AN HON. MEMBER: Unoda kubvisa ani]-


MR MARUMAHOKO: We went to create the provincial Parliaments. As we seat here Madam Speaker, Parliament is failing to pay allowances for hon. members who are here, failing to give them fuel to go back to their constituencies. It is a pathetic situation -[HON. MEMBERS Hear, hear]- but what is causing that Madam Speaker? It is exactly what I have said earlier on. It is unsustainable, this is a very small country that can do with a very small Parliament and still achieve the goals that it needs to achieve.

I move on Madam Speaker, to what you see today in the papers that is corruption. Our President also spoke about it and was not happy about corruption as a Government Madam Speaker we should be seen to be doing something where ever corruption has been exposed. It seems we only talk, we only punish people from the paper.



Those who had committed this crime but no one goes to jail. I have been reading the paper today about Air Zimbabwe, the officials there who are accused of looting Air Zimbabwe; it was just a disciplinary Committee inviting these people to answer the allegations and recommendations of firing the culprits. Is that enough Madam Speaker, when millions of dollars which belong to the people of Zimbabwe have been stolen by an individual? Of course not! Something must be done and it must be done now.

Everyday, you wake up and get a paper; there is a new story about corruption. There is a new company that has been involved in corruption. Surely, it is time that we should be seen to be taking action. I had first of all Madam Speaker touched on the diplomatic …

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, hon. member you are left with only four minutes.

MR. MARUMAHOKO: Madam Speaker, I had earlier on touched on the international politics. I will not have done justice if I were to conclude my speech without thanking the leadership of SADC for standing by Zimbabwe during the times that the regime change idea was being peddled by the enemies of Zimbabwe. They stood by us, they suffered for us but still, they stand by us. It is a gesture that we should be seen as a country to appreciate.

Let me quote what President Kennedy said in the 1960s. He said, "It is those individuals who have no interest in their fellowmen who provide greatest injuries to mankind". He went further to say, "It is from such individuals where human failure spring". The greatest desire on human nature, he says, "is the crown for appreciation". Let us appreciate the good that other people do to us. Let us appreciate what SADC has done for this country; in particular, I have mentioned the icon of Africa, Thabo Mbeki. He is a man who has contributed to the peace that we are enjoying now, but because of that, it cost him his job. The enemy of Africa was not happy to see Zimbabwe enjoying tranquility and peace. They decided to destroy Thabo Mbeki. So, Madam Speaker, I suggest that this country finds a way of thanking this son of the soil -[HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]-

Let me wind up Madam Speaker, by getting into my constituency, Hurungwe North. Hurungwe North is a constituency that is bordering the National Parks. As such, the people who live at the border, their lives are affected by the movement of wildlife into the villages. Because of that, an organisation called CAMPFIRE was introduced to assist the communities there.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, the hon. member's time is up.

MR. MUKWANGWARIWA: Madam Speaker, I kindly ask that the hon. member's time be extended.

MR. MARIDADI: I raise an objection Madam Speaker.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, there is an objection from the opposite side, so the hon. member's time has expired.

*MRS. HUNGWA: Madam Speaker Ma'am, I would like to congratulate you for being the Deputy Speaker of this House. Madam Speaker, I would like to congratulate His Excellency for the victorious win in the past harmonised election. I would also like to congratulate the members who are in here to lead the nation in this august House. I am well pleased with the Speech of the President.

Mutoko is a place which is known for its black gold, the black granite. Madam Speaker Ma'am, this stone is being ferried day and night without anything which is materialising and it does not help anyone in Mutoko. Some districts are benefitting from the community share ownership but in my constituency, Mutoko, there is nothing like that. We request for help through the community share ownership that other constituencies are having.

I would like to direct this issue to the Minister of Mines and Mining Development in order that we have manufacturers for cutting and polishing this stone. People will be employed and the ferrying of this stone will be limited.


Madam Speaker it will be my request that we have a machine which casts these stones so that the issue of employment will be created. Madam Speaker, the road Nyamapanda-Malawi is a busy road. I request that this road be dualised so that we avoid the issues of accidents. The resurfacing of this road will help avoid a lot of accidents as there is a lot of haulage. Mutoko is a place which is well known in terms of farming. Mangoes and tomatoes are not sold at a favourable price because of some farming implements which are being imported from other countries.

I would like to request the Ministry of Agriculture to look into the issue of having factories for indigenous fruits like mangoes, oranges and that some of them will not rot in the factories. The other issue is that when farmers go with their wares to Mbare, they fail get enough space to store their products. They again fail to get proper accommodation when they are selling their products. They also face challenges of robbers and thieves when they come to sell their products. My request to the Ministry of Local Government is that they provide proper sanitation for the farmers.

I would like to thank you for affording me this precious time to contribute on this debate. Thank you.

DR. J. GUMBO: Madam Speaker, I move that the debate do now adjourn.

MR. GONESE : I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday, 12th February, 2014.



DR. J. GUMBO : Madam Speaker, I move that Orders of the Day, Nos. 2 to 7 be stood over until Order of the Day, No. 8 has been disposed of.

MS. D. SIBANDA : I second.

Motion put and agreed to.





Eighth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on gender based violence.

Question again proposed.

*MRS. MATIBENGA: Thank you Hon. Madam President. I would like to add my voice on this motion moved by Hon. Majome which has something to do with gender based violence. Let me say this member who moved this motion, Hon. Majome, gave detailed information about this gender based violence and she explained the policies I do not want to retake for fear of giving false information. I would like to thank you honourable speaker.

This issue of gender based violence is a serious issue which is reported all over, even on the televisions, radios,the newspapers and you would find people in Zimbabwe are affected by this serious problem. And you would find that we are no longer taking the issue of following our customs and traditional values we used to take seriously are no longer being addressed.

It will be of benefit if we discussed this issue whole heartedly and if everyone who is in this august House understand where that the issue of gender based violence is taking place. You would find that this issue of gender based violence is occurring in families, communities, workplace and in rural areas. Those people who are supposed to protect the nation are facing are the perpetrators of violence. It is my worry that you could find the person who is adorned to lead and protect the nation and look after the children is the one who is perpetrating gender based violence for his own purpose without taking care of the future of the nation and the children.

In our tradition, we used to have the policy that if a hen ate its own eggs, it would have its beak burnt. Madam Speaker, this was done as a sign of punishment but now it is the human beings who are raping young children, even those related to them. As legislators, we have to work on issues of gender based violence and make clear laws so that we avoid such misdeeds like this. We should never experience this behaviour in human beings so that we will not have some people who have bad behavior like that. These people should be punished and imprisoned for a number of years. Let me say even in schools we pay fees with an expectation that kids are going to receive education and guidance. You find that in our country we have many people who rape children and do terrible things in our society. In countries like India, rape takes place in public places and on buses. To my surprise even in public places people are being abused, so the issue is that if women are given the opportunity to go to school and also to work for their families, they should be allowed to do so freely. Because of this issue of domestic violence people and rape, women are now living in fear and they are no longer safe.

It will help us as a nation to have some education and awareness to help the nation and to educate families so that people will come back to our traditional ways of surviving so that they will not participate in domestic violence and rape. We should teach our families so that when someone perpetrates domestic violence and rape he/she will be imprisoned for a period of not less than 30 years. In some cases where gender based violence is rampant - victims are silenced; people protect perpetrators because they will be the breadwinners of the families and for fear that if they go to jail the family will suffer.

Madam Speaker, I want to praise the people in the Judiciary, if I do not do that - it is one of the important things worth mentioning. These people must be applauded because they are doing a great job punishing perpetrators of domestic violence and rape they must be punished severely. They must be given stiff sentences like what the magistrates are doing so that they will not rape or beat women again. Madam Speaker, the Ministry of Women's Affairs, Gender and Community Development must be praised for fighting gender based violence and for coming up with the National Gender Based Violence Strategy 2012-2015 programmes that do not protect gender violence. We have to work with speed so that these programmes can be implemented and to help the whole nation.

Let me end by saying, there must be very intensive education and awareness raising on the public. When people report gender violence to the the police stations, there are some police officers who are trained to receive and welcome gender based violence and rape victims; the issue is that we should have qualified and well educated police officers who will handle those victims with respect. If you look at these victims; when they go to the police station, they are asked questions that are tough and embarrassing and some of them will fail to answer correctly what happened or what is happening due to trauma.

The issues of gender based violence are not often reported because those people are facing police officers who are not trained who will ask them a number of irrelevant questions. If a person is raped the person will be traumatized and hence the need for their cases to be handled by trained police officers who will have the responsibility and take good care to victims of domestic violence. If we do not train our police officers, we will be like punishing the victims of domestic violence twice because they will not get enough help and support when they report their cases to the police.

I want to conclude by saying even those people in the police and magistrates at the courts, they need what we give them, psycho-social support, because they listen to the cases for long hours and be patient when victims narrate their stories. It will be of benefit if we have a programme which gives the Judiciary psycho-social support and this will help them for mental health. It will be of great help to support organizations that help people who are victims of domestic violence and rape.

If someone steals livestock he/she must be imprisoned for nine years. People who are perpetrators of rape or domestic violence must also be imprisoned for more than 30 years. I thank you.

*MRS. NYAMUPINGA: Thank you Madam Speaker. I stand to add my voice to this motion concerning the issue of violence. It is true, it was explained fully and I am sure all those who read the Hansard understood this and realised that the person who moved the motion explained it in detail. However, there are some things that I also want to add in order to emphasise so that the perpetrators really understand.

Madam Speaker, I want to begin by saying, we do not want to divert our attention from this issue and start talking about the issue of men who are being raped by women. Madam Speaker, the issue of rape refers to an act where a man forces himself on a woman. It has no other meaning beyond this - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] - This being so, Madam Speaker, we do not want to play down on this issue and start talking about irrelevant issues. The issue before us is that of gender-based violence, especially the issue of rape that has become prevalent in our country.

Madam Speaker, in 2013, the issue of violence as recorded by our statistics, exceeded 10 400. Out of this number, 300 out of every 1000 were related to rape. Most victims are the young ones who have not even reached the legal age of majority and have no idea of what sex is all about. It is astounding, Madam Speaker that big and strong men like those in this House, target the young kids - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] - who are as young as 2 years or even 6 months. You fail to understand if this behaviour is triggered by a longing for sexual pleasure or it is related to ritual purposes.

These are really difficult issues for us to understand. If these children happen to report, the judiciary system is inefficient, beginning with police officers who man the victim-friendly unit. The victim will meet a police officer who is supposed to be articulate in such issues. If the victim is a child, it is only prudent for her to receive the services of a female police officer who can sympathise with her and understand what the child will be saying. This is due to the fact that, there is a challenge that, when the victim gets there and report to a male officer, he may support the perpetrator. The person who will have been abused and reported the case is then turned more into a perpetrator than a victim.

For the victim to then get satisfactory service in respect of such issue becomes difficult because they are bombarded with questions like 'where were you when you were raped, why where you in that area, why did you go where only men were present.' What if the men are from the same home area, are we not allowed to interact with them as people from the same neighborhood?

When these cases are reported, children quickly forget about the incident, and yet it takes years for the case to be heard. The reason given to such delays is that the victim-friendly court is only found in Harare. However, rape is taking place all-over the country and violence is taking place everywhere. The victims are also subjected to long queues of pending cases at the victim-friendly court until a child has forgotten. When she gets to the police station, she is advised to go back home. The mother is not aware and the child takes a bath and cleans away the evidence, and there will be no more evidence.

When the case is eventually heard in court, it is thrown out for lack of evidence. The evidence would have been cleaned away because it would have taken days for that child to be attended to. A child cannot spend days moving around with such evidence - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]- There are also issues Madam Speaker, where a victim of rape is requested to go and get medical treatment. The victim is supposed to be given a letter on time so that she receives medical attention. However, more evidence is gathered during medical attention and yet there are so many delays, and one can spend days waiting for that letter.

When the victim finally gets to the medical centre, she can be unfortunate and run into the hands of nursing staff who interrogates her over why she was referred to them and so on. This instills fear in the child and she ends up feeling as if she has committed a crime. Getting into the police station is like committing a crime while seeking medical attention to verify what will have happened also seems to be a crime.

Sometimes a child is seriously hurt and may even be limping or unable to walk properly. The child goes to the medical centre a number of times without getting any assistance until the bus fare runs out. The evidence becomes null and void. Our request to this House, through you Madam Speaker, is that when such cases occur, there should be enough assistance available starting from the family.

I want to support the previous speaker who said that, sometimes the perpetrator will be an uncle and the family feels for him because they know that if they report, he will 'rot' in prison. He should 'rot' in prison because he committed the crime knowing very well that a prison sentence would be given - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] - we should learn not to conceal evidence of such cases which will be happening in our neighborhood. We should act as 'whistle blowers' to the police and let them know if there are such cases so that they will not be swept under the carpet in a given home. When such cases are reported, the police should also not sweep them under the carpet, contrary, they should ensure that they deal with the matter urgently so that such cases are dealt with in a justifiable way.

Madam Speaker, the statistics that I gave you only referred to the reported cases. How many more cases are going unreported? You will find out that, in other families they say you should not speak out because it is a family issue. How about those cases that are not being reported because the victims are intimidated? Even the neighbours intimidate you by threatening you with unspecified action if you dare report about a case happening in their family. There are so many such cases.

Madam Speaker, I want to support the hon. member who said the issue of community education in areas that we come from should be intensified and understood. Violence is not good to anyone. I think the mover of the motion talked about the budget. She highlighted that violence is expensive. For sure, it is costing us. There are so many issues that are not being taken care of in this country because the Government has no money. Money is being lost because of violence. A victim would need medical attention; the victim needs to be heard in a court of law and so on. All those stages are costly, but if we stop violence, you will realise that most of our money will be diverted towards productive things.

If possible, the Clerk of Court - I am not saying he is not educated, but he should study the Domestic Violence Act and understand it more. It clearly outlines a lot of these issues from the role of the police, the medical personnel, as well as what he as the Clerk of Court should do. I do not think there is any country that has a clearly laid out Act like our own Domestic Violence Act. However, the issue is that we do not want to follow the law; especially where it addresses women, the law is not fully applied. We are requesting the law to be comprehensively applied so that when it comes to issues to deal with women, there should be a change for the better.

We are not very happy Madam Speaker, but we feel motivated by what is happening at the courts. I cannot stand up and express my joy on the fact that Mr. Gumbura was given so many years or that the other one was given 230 years. We feel motivated by the fact that our courts are now looking at such issues considerably. We have a duty as legislators in this august House. We need to emphasise the importance of that Act as voiced out by the last speaker. We need to take note of what our Act is addressing in terms of violence and rape. Is this Act a mere gambling act biased towards those who are eloquent and can explain themselves well in a court of law leading to a lesser sentence. It seems as if the law is being taken more as a gambling act than as a law.

We want it to be known that when one is getting into a court of law, where they are being charged with many counts of abuse, there should be a well laid out sentence or prison term associated with such and agreed to in this august House. We do not want to be playing a hide and seek game in our courts of law. That is why you will realise that there are so many grievances in families. That is also why Gumbura was given 40 years and the other perpetrator was given 230 years.

Also Madam Speaker, we as the Members of Parliament, makes us to be found faulty because we do not have an explicit framework and guideline. We did not state how many years a person should be imprisoned. That is why we are supporting the hon. member who moved this motion that we should have an Act that really stipulates the punishment so that all those who commit rape cases and who can not propose for love and rely on rape should be imprisoned for a number of years.

Madam Speaker, we also want to really say, what has gone wrong in our society. At times you can also hear people saying, but you women, 13 of you, what have you been doing with Gumbura. There are other issues that we have to look into like economic empowerment. You know, at times men take advantage of us women. They will be aware that I am poor and because of that, they assume that one can fall prey to every other thing because people cannot just pile on someone just for the sake of that. We have to investigate and see that if someone is taking advantage of other people's poverty Madam Speaker - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-

*THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order hon. members we can no longer hear what is being said.

*MRS. NYAMUPINGA: If people are taking advantage of people's poverty, Madam Speaker, they should be given a sentence commensurate to the rape cases committed and then they should be sentenced for taking advantage of the people because we do not want to say, if we discover that this person is wallowing in poverty, we try to offer them ridiculous things which we would be aware that the person could never be sustained with that. There is the issue of HIV/AIDS Mr. Speaker, how does that work out if one person has multiple partners. That woman is holding a kid and another woman also holding a kid and they will be saying all these kids belong to my uncle Shava here present. How does that work out given the issue of HIV/AIDS. Therefore, we really pray that any person seen to be fearless to spread HIV/AIDS should have another sentence added to the initial rape case charge that shall be set in this House for the careless conduct.

The other issues that were raised include the issue of trafficking and other people may not even be aware of it. It has to be clarified because others just think that trafficking is about someone who goes outside our borders. Human trafficking is also happening within the country. People take people from Murehwa so that they work for them in Mutoko and they are not given money for their work. Sometimes they are made wives and many different things. They may be intimidated to the extent that they will fear to report that they have worked for that person. That kind of abuse happens especially to women. Therefore we want to ask through you and I am happy that there is a woman in the Chair who shares the same feelings with us as women.

The issue of women security needs to be emphasised. You know in our homes, even in your initial family or where you have been married, we do not have security in both circumstances where we came from and where we have gone. Where we came from, our brothers will be on our heels and where we have been married, the husband's young brothers will be upon us. There will be a lot of secret issues happening and these issues will not be exposed because in all circumstances, they will be saying, women should be quiet. So we are saying we do not like people who want to defend abuse saying women are doing this or that. When women act in some queer way, they will be revenging Madam Speaker and if you look at that closely, you will discover that they will be revenging.

Madam Speaker, these days people send each other different messages using whatsApp. I once ignored the message because I do not like it much. I then read and it said, a certain husband wanted to travel and the wife went out to him and gave him some condoms and said in case you will have challenges, you should use these condoms. However, leave me with one condom also because in case I shall also have challenges, I might want to use it too. You know what Madam Speaker, the husband said, if you have taken one of the condoms, so I am no longer travelling and he came back.

When I take the words that this woman used in reply, the woman said, so you are the only one who will have challenges and not me, so stay and do not travel. I said this woman did something that was very good because there are other things that men feel that they are the only ones who have the right to do, sidelining the women.

Madam Speaker, let me conclude by saying I want to support that there should be a mandatory sentence on women abuse issues and also that those who are supporting us in this cause, like the people we saw with tears on their cheeks and in a pitiful state, they should be supported. Everywhere in the country, there should be those shelters for victims like Msasa Project because many do not have places of refuge. For them to come to my home, we fear that if my husband knows that she is there, I will also be in trouble. Therefore, let these shelters be expanded through giving assistance to Msasa Project. These shelters should be found everywhere so that people can have refuge from our own parents who have become our enemies. It has been said that they are now eating their own children. It is very hard Madam Speaker that instead of fearing real enemies, one runs away from his relatives and friends. One wonders as to where should I stay and where could I put on my pair of trousers and my clothes because if they see me, they will follow me up and rape me. Thank you Madam Speaker for the time you have accorded me. May I also say, let this information be spread even in our own constituencies through these men who are here and who we feel that they are faithful and that is why they were chosen in their constituencies. They should spread this word that cases of violence must be reduced.

*MS. MPARIWA: Thank you Hon. Speaker. I would like to thank the mover of this motion Hon. Majome and Hon. Matibenga for seconding this motion. I would like to thank the recent speaker, Hon. Nyamupinga. I am happy to see that everyone is eager to debate. This issue is a very painful one concerning domestic violence and abuse. People are abused whether you know them or not and my grandmother here has said the enemy of a person is a person and I have now seen that it is so. The seconder of this motion said whenever you read news, you will find cases of domestic violence and there was a case of a man who chopped his wife to death. How could you chop your wife to death? What has happened to the vows that were exchanged - for better or for worse? I urge husbands to love their wives; wives need to be loved by their husbands or those that are their lovers. In the past Madam Speaker, people used to fear the issue of avenging spirits after spilling the blood of someone. I would want to urge women to speak out because what we are sweeping under the carpet will raise its ugly head in future. You then hear a child speaking because they would have witnessed what has happened.

Peace is needed in the home as well as in the country. Women should have all their rights. When I see a male person as I am going about my business, I should be happy that he is there to look after me. Women are now fearful and men are also fearful for their wives or lovers for them to go to churches because of the bad deeds that are happening there. Men are now afraid to let their wives go to work because there are those who need sexual favours before they engage your services. Both men and women now fear to go to work and men fear for their spouses. There are certain issues that are apprehensive about going back home because we also have issues. The country is no longer peaceful. The rape that is happening in this country is painful. The victims of rape are not raped by unknown assailants, but it is the person that she knows and trusts and can look after her at home.

I agree with Hon. Matibenga. The person who is supposed to be the custodian now takes advantage of those in his custody and rapes them. All I am saying is that women should be angry and should raise their voices, raise your voices women. Stand up women against this cause, stand up against this behaviour. I am saying so Madam Speaker, because a lot of times you see a woman with a swollen face and she gives an excuse that she fell in the tub. All they say is they had an accident, whether falling down or stung by a bee but the bee turns out to be her husband who violently assaults her every evening when she gets home.

Our plea is that the police should be empowered to enable them to discern that an offence has been committed so that they can get forensic evidence immediately. On several occasions, if you go to the police stations, they do not have petrol to go and assist victims. I would want to give an example of my constituency, Mufakose. There are semi-detached houses and when a head is hit against the wall, you know this is what is happening. When you run to the police to inform them that there is violence at a certain address …

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. Officer, you are making noise there. You are collecting something, what is it? Hon. member, can you continue.

*MS. MPARIWA: I was giving an example of my constituency in Mufakose with semi-detached houses, such that you can hear the disturbances in the next door. If you are to go to the police as a good Samaritan, you find they do not have transport or petrol. These are the resources that they require so that they can perform their duties. We implore that they be sufficiently resourced so that they can be able to carry out their duties.

Mostly at work places you see that women knock off work at the same time as men and there is nothing bad about it but as they walk home, a man would follow that lady and rape her whilst in the midst of the forest. We ask the Government that there be sufficient transport so that should one complete their work late into the night, they would be able to go to work. We urge employers to provide employees with transport so that they can safely commute to and from work.

I, therefore, thank and want to implore or encourage that we have organisations that assist victims of such offences that are perpetrated on them by provision of counseling and even housing them. Most often, when the person is raped, they may fall pregnant and may not even want to have that child. We have projects like Msasa Projects that are helping us look after our victims, our children and women, as well as counseling victims. I thank them for doing such a splendid job and urge that there be more such organisations that can collaborate with the Government.

We want to thank the Ministry of Women's Affairs, Gender and Community Development, for the laws that are in place but over and above that, they require resources to be able to do their functions. Domestic violence can only be stopped if all of us are enlightened nationwide. When we talk of gender based violence, people think it has to do with women. We need to enlighten them on what exactly it is that entails gender based violence. We need assistance so as to take our country forward. We should be united because if the women are still behind and being abused, we are going nowhere. Thank you Madam Speaker.

*MR. CHINOTIMBA: Thank you Madam Speaker. I would want to give my support to this motion that was raised by the hon. member. We are not hiding behind a finger, but the truth of the matter is we are having mothers and fathers in this august House. The problem that we are having is that domestic violence and rape are being mixed. If people fight in their homesteads, it is called violence. There is nothing pleasing about rape. No men should force themselves onto a woman that they are not in love with. I would want to further add Madam Speaker by saying that it is not only man who are causing …

MS ZINDI: On a point of order Madam Speaker. If it were possible, Hon. Chinotimba should not talk of rape, using those words in vernacular, the proper word is rape which again means the same thing as to have sexual relationship with someone without consent.

*THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Our dialects are different; hence the word for rape in vernacular can be anything.

*MR. CHINOTIMBA: In this country, I will not mention the name but I want to say so, so that women can understand, there are women who are in the habit of sending children to a next door neighbour and the wife is away in the communal land, to say can you please go and borrow some salt and sugar - HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] - that practice which women indulge in …

*THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order, hon. members, let us hear the hon. member in silence.

*MR. CHINOTIMBA: Thank you. I believe that I am not looking down upon women but the practice is bad, it is bad, we are saying we should not encourage such practices. I am saying if it is a woman who sends her child to a man knowing that that man's wife is at a communal land and request for sugar…

*THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. members; let us not make noise, let us hear what the hon. member is saying.

*MR CHINOTIMBA: Let me continue by saying we are grown up people in here, we should be empathetic towards some things that are happening. If it happens to a man, it is bad; if it happensto a woman it is good. I am talking about what I witnessed. This causes children to be prone to rape. People in their homestead should not indulge in the habit of sending their children to ask for something or to borrow something during the middle of the night from other households. I agree with women that if anyone rapes someone, he should be sent to jail but there are rape cases that occur in the communal areas where they do not look at the events that have unfolded. There are some girls that are given to men by consent and it eventually turns out as rape but this could have been caused by the girl's parents. We want that issue to be looked into so that men and women should not give their children to other men by consent.

I support the issues that were raised here by the women but my advise on that is that we should also consider some of these issues….

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. Matangira, I think you are making a lot of noise.

*MR. CHINOTIMBA: Our country is not in a rosy situation because of poverty. As we speak, we have a lot of children that are not going to school, both boys and girls. I agree with the speakers that are saying people should be given funds in their communal lands so that their livelihood is enhanced. These children are rapped because of poverty. As a Government and if it were possible, when we look at the issue of indigenisation - indigenisation targets boys, the girls are being overlooked. As a country, let us readdress this anomaly. Let us empower these girls so that there is reduction of rape cases. Conditional employment so that one can secure employment is caused by poverty. I am saying there must be a fund that looks after a girl child. If you see street children, a lot of them are girls. If there is a fund to look after the welfare of the girl child, it will help us in reducing the rate of rape. I support the women that are deploring rape.

*MRS CHIKUNI: I also want to support the motion on rape and domestic violence. It is a difficult issue and it is painful. Let me say that God created man in his image and gave him power over everything. On this issue we are discussing, if a man says nothing like that will happen, it will never happen because he has the power over everything. If men behave themselves in Zimbabwe, even if they were to see a women walking about naked they would not rape her.

Men were told to love their wives and women were told to subject themselves to their husbands. Women under their husbands even in schools can say no to this issue that we are talking about; they will bring an end to this issue. I would also want to say that we are in here you hon members - the issue that we are talking about has serious repercussions that includes men and women. If a girl is raped like the girls that we saw yesterday that were crying they are now pregnant young as they are. This then becomes a burden on the child's parents if she has not been taken by Musasa Project.

The pelvic bones have not developed enough to deliver a baby and have to be operated on after the procedure has been done on her to enable delivery and she can no longer do heavy duty work. The issue of child rape has reduced the rate of girl children that are at school. We can no longer attain the 50/50% that we require as women because they will have dropped out of school. -[ Hear, hear]- This is a sad situation. A lot of men who rape these children suffer from HIV and then infect that girl. When they become mature women they will be on medication. Imagine at 11 or 14 years of age one starts taking medication until 46 years like myself. Men should understand this issue they should be able to behave themselves we have a good opportunity.

Mr. Speaker, in the past we used to have men's court where boys were counseled by men the same applies to girls with women advising girls. There are things that we should do as parents so that we can put an end to this scourge if you see them on the road as young boys and girls, you will become very angry. As parents, as leaders we have a task, we should help our children. There should be a lot of awareness for our children, they should be enlightened. The police need to have the knowhow of how to treat these children well as they come to report the cases. In Mutare in Chimanimani region we do not have Musasa Project or if they want to come they do not have the funds so the case will die a natural death. Thank you for affording me this opportunity.

MR GONESE: Thank you very much Mr. Speaker. I would like to join and add my voice to this very important debate. Firstly, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the mover of the motion hon. Majome for an immaculate presentation for this very important subject. I would also like to acknowledge the presence of our visitors and I think it is important Mr. Speaker, for the whole country to appreciate that as legislators we are very sensitive about this very very important issue. I would also want to start by saying Mr. Speaker his motion is not about women, not about women issues but it is about all of us. Whilst Mr. Speaker you do have occasionally some men who may be abused by women or some men - it is very rare.

The truth of the matter Mr. Speaker is that the overwhelming majority the overwhelming majority of the perpetrators are men. I think hon. Majome gave us statistics and I think that anyone who goes to our regional courts and comes across the cases which are being tried by our courts, you will find that by and large in at least 99% of the cases it is actually men who are being accused of committing these heinous crimes. Even when you go to the civil court Mr. Speaker, when you look at people who go to court seeking protection orders, violations and domestic violence Act you find again that the majority, the overwhelming majority of the complainants are actually women. This means that we as men should be introspective. We must look at ourselves in the mirror, and acknowledge that if we are the perpetrators we must desist forthwith from such conduct -[HON. MEMBERS: Hear hear]- on a lighter note Mr. Speaker I am going to say that we must appreciate each other males and females and accept that we are all equal. There is this joke that when you are saying women you are actually saying we men. So in other words women stands for we men so we are all the same. So, there should be no distinction, -[HON. MEMBERS: Hear hear]-there should be no difference between us. I would also like to give this august House something that I came across sometime back. I came across two men who were discussing and one of the men was denigrating women saying that they are hopeless, they are useless, good for nothing and so on and so forth.

One woman was just listening to what he was saying and she had this response and I will put it in Shona because it actually illustrates the point. She said, 'iwe ungangodaro hako nokuti ami vako murume' so at the end of the day we must all appreciate that everyone in this august House was born by a woman. -[Hear hear]- and there also that need to respect each other and to treat each other as equals. There is no justification whatsoever, and I really get disturbed Mr. Speaker when you get someone trying to justify the unjustifiable or to sanitise insanity -[HON. MEMBERS: Hear hear]- When you look at the vast majority of cases Mr. Speaker there is absolutely no reason why people should be physically attacking each other. We must, if we have got any differences talk to each other. We are all capable of reasoning, of rationality of thought and I believe that as human beings that is the way we must relate to each other. I actually know some people who actually say words to this effect that ' ukaona mukadzi ava kurasika unofanira kumurova kuti adzoke mugwara' That is palpable nonsense but you actually get some men who have got that kind of attitude and I believe that this is not something that should not be condoned.

I will go gain Mr. Speaker, the statistics the cases which we get in our courts. You will find that if you go to the regional courts whether it is in Harare, Mutare, Gweru or in Chinhoyi it is almost like the regional court is a rape court. In the past you would have a mixture of rape and car theft. Because most of the cases of car theft were now being referred to the High Court, we ended up with a situation where the overwhelming majority of cases which are tried by our regional courts are always about one form of rape or another. Even when you go to the provincial courts, you will also get a lot of cases where in the vast majority of the cases; it is men who will be charged in contravention of Section 70 of the Criminal Law Codification and Reform Act. This is commonly known as statutory rape, where men will have sexual intercourse with girls under the age of sixteen. This is also a crime.

You will find that, in some of the cases, some of the persons who are accused of this violation are actually teachers. In the large number of cases, you will get that Section 70 involving people who are supposed to be loco parentis. They are supposed to be looking after children, some in primary school, you get children who are in Grade 5 and Grade 6 who are being violated by the very same persons who are supposed to be looking after them. I believe that this is deplorable and it is something that we as legislators must do something about.

I believe that when people hear about the sentences which are being advocated for, they may be getting worried. I think that we must look at it in context and we must always react to every situation. I recall that, just after independence, the mandatory sentence for stock-theft was actually removed as something which had actually been introduced during the colonial era. When there was a feeling or a perception that these cases had now gone down, that mandatory sentence was removed. Again, when we started having a spate of stock-theft, in this august House, we passed or enacted a legislation to restore mandatory sentence on stock-theft.

Those are not the only incidents. We also had mandatory sentence on the precious stones. When we then had the Chiadzwa phenomenon -that again had been reduced because there had been a perception that there was now a reduction in the number of those cases coming before our courts. When diamonds were discovered in Manicaland, it was realised that it was important to reintroduce the mandatory sentence. It was so that you now have a situation where anyone who is convicted of stock-theft; that person has to be sentenced to a sentence which is not less than nine years and not more than 25 years. The reason for that is very simple. We do not want to have a disparity in sentences. More importantly, Mr. Speaker, we want to send a message home so that everyone knows that if you are going to steal just one bovine, you are going to go behind bars. Actually, we are throwing you into jail and throw away the key because you are going to stay there for such a long time.

When it comes to cases of rape, the challenge that we have is that we are all different. Our differences are also manifested in the people who also preside over our cases. You actually have unfortunately Mr. Speaker, some magistrates who with due respect, I will call male chauvinists. When they mete out the sentences, when they go before the High Court for review, the judges have refused to give their certificates and say that the sentences are not in accordance with real and substantial justice. Unfortunately, it is like time to close the stable door and the person would already have been given a light sentence.

I believe that, what we want to do now is to have some uniformity and say that we now regard this crime very seriously so that at the end of the day; we do not want to leave it to the whims of an individual magistrate because there are some who are lenient by nature. Even apart from the issue of chauvinism, you will have some people who are lenient by nature. Some are actually lenient to a fault and the message will not be sent home. So, I support the view that for the purpose of bringing the message home to those people who are inclined to perpetrate this sort of crime; it is necessary and essential to introduce a mandatory sentence so that perhaps they will start thinking about what they are doing before they commit that crime.

Obviously if we are talking of 30 years, I know that some people would actually want to move for a more serious form of punishment in the form of castration to ensure that that person can never commit such a crime again. The reason why people are moved to advocate for that kind of sentence is because of the seriousness with which this crime is viewed. When you look at the causes of rape, there are many, but you will find that one of them is obviously lack of respect for women. Some of it is a lack of discipline on the part of men. You will find that there is no reason why most men should not look for people who consent to whatever they want, instead of forcing themselves upon a person who is defenceless.

If you look at the victims Mr. Speaker, you will find that they range from girls who are just six months old and nine months old. We have had such situations. We get those who are two years; three years and you also come across cases of ninety year old women who have been raped. If one were to give an excuse that perhaps the woman was dressing provocatively, I find it difficult to believe that someone could make such an allegation about a woman who is in her 80s or 90s or a child who is only a few months or a few years old.

So, I believe that we must have that discipline. The other reason why sometimes people commit this crime is because they believe that they will never be caught. So, I think that if the rate of detection or apprehension goes up, people will then appreciate that you cannot get away with it. If they know that they cannot get away with it, I am sure that they will think twice before they do it.

You also have cases Mr. Speaker Sir, where you have all these n'angas, charlatans, prophets and so on who lie to people who are suffering from HIV and tell them that if you have sexual intercourse with a baby, you are going to be cured. I do not know how in this day and age anyone can believe that palpable nonsense but it actually happens. I believe that if it becomes very clear, that you cannot get away with it, that you will be caught and that you will be put behind bars for a very, very long time, anyone who might want to believe it will not do it for the fear of being incarcerated for the length of time which we are really talking about.

Further Mr. Speaker, I would like to mention some of the challenges that occur and which result in some people not being apprehended. Some of the challenges which have to be addressed relate to the resources which the Zimbabwe Republic Police have at their disposal. I want to submit that sufficient resources must be made available so that the Zimbabwe Republic Police are not hindered in any way in carrying out their duties. This will help in that, if there is a report, they are able to timeously respond to it and gather all the necessary evidence at the material time.

Other challenges which are being faced are lack of technology. I understand that sometimes you have a situation where ascertaining penetration is done by the naked eye. I want to believe that you must use modern scientific methods to ensure that you do not come to any wrong conclusions which can otherwise jeopardise the investigations or interfere with the complainant's case.

Again Mr. Speaker, the other challenges that you come across are related to the fact that some of these crimes are perpetrated by relatives. In other words, you find that in our society, there is that appreciation of the extended family. So, if it is an uncle who has raped a niece for example, the whole family congregates and start saying to the complainant, please withdraw the case. Do you want to have your uncle go to prison and that sort of nonsense? You then come across situations where even where reports have been made, complainants are persuaded that the case and have actually come across it at courts and sometimes even if they do not withdraw the cases there is reluctance on the part of the public prosecutor to withdraw the case. You simply find the complainant not turning up at the court. So, if there is no witness and no complainant, even if with all the zeal in the world the public prosecutor's office wants to proceed, they cannot because they do not have that vital evidence. This arises from the fact that from all society we will have made it impossible for the complainant and for the witnesses to want to proceed with the case.

We also come across situations Mr. Speaker, which are very sad, where you get people being asked to pay compensation and as a result that compensation is paid then charges are withdrawn. I believe that it is not sufficient because there are certain crimes like murder, rape and so on, where no amount of compensation can ever be sufficient. What should happen is that those civil consequences must also be supported by the criminal consequences so that even if you have reported and you have been compensated, that does not absolve you from your guilt and you should be locked away for a long time.

Another sad scenario, is a situation where the complainant is driven to get married to the perpetrator of the crime. There are some people who have been raped and for some reason or another, the solution is that the victim should get married to the perpetrator. Those are some of the challenges which we come across in the justice delivery system and I believe that we should sensitise the whole populace so that we do not have this interference with our justice delivery system.

I already talked about the lack of mobility of the ZRP and the issue of the investigating equipment. I would like to add that we need also to have DNA testing which can actually assist in authenticating the identity of a suspect so that there is no doubt that one cannot escape if the DNA matches that of the perpetrator. Once it matches then you know that no defence can assist and you cannot use the defence of alibi. I believe that we must also have provision of counselling services to the victims of gender based violence so that they can move on with their lives after having received that kind of counseling.

At the end of the day, I would like to urge all hon. members in this august House to support this motion. Let me repeat what I said at the beginning, that we must all be conscious of the fact that we have got mothers, sisters and daughters and as representatives of the people in our constituencies, I want to believe that for us to be here, the majority of the people who voted for us are in fact women. We must therefore pass appropriate legislation which ensures that the majority of the people, who made it possible for us to be standing before you Mr. Speaker, get the adequate and necessary protection. As a country, we can move forward and move away from a situation where the majority of cases in our regional courts are rape and more rape. With these words, I thank you Mr. Speaker.

*MS. N. CHIKWINYA: Thank you Hon. Speaker. I will not repeat what the previous speakers have said because we have the theme for this debate. I would want to talk about what I saw yesterday which made me cry. There are children who are seated in the Speaker's Gallery, can I ask them to stand up. Thank you for standing up, you may be seated.

I saw a 10 year old girl at Msasa, who was raped and impregnated. I then realised there was no proper vagina. How honestly can you be able to do this? It really pained me. I also saw that there are some people who are wicked, satanic and criminal. What they have done is tantamount to murder.

The girl child gave me a narration of how she was raped by her maternal uncle who is about 57 years old, who rapes a 10 year old. He forced himself on a vulnerable child. I cried because I was hurt by the fact that the matter was reported to members of her family and the child ran to a granny who sent her back and the uncle raped her for the second time.

So I have risen so that as we discuss the issues concerning the police and magistrates, what has not been referenced to are the relatives such as the aunts, grandmothers and mothers covering up these offences. They should also be arrested. How could the granny send the child back to someone who had raped her? I would want to raise a motion that such aunts, grandmothers and mothers should be incarcerated because they are causing the death of that innocent child. They are actually misguiding that child.

I will go further and say that the issue of relatives is to blame because most of the rape cases are perpetrated by persons who are known to the victims. Members of the family are now the perpetrators of these rape cases. We should deal with them accordingly so that they tow the line.

The child I saw at Msasa had 7 units at Grade 7. Her educational career has been killed and her future is now destroyed. She was not only damaged in as far as career education is concerned but she was also infected with HIV/AIDS. If you look at the girls as they leave, look at the one at the back. See her condition, that is what touched me and led me to cry.

We should come up with a programme like the one that is carried out by prisons and correctional services. We should talk of the uncles that perpetrated these offences. They should not be protected but named and shamed on national television. Maybe that will deter other perpetrators to be.

I also saw an 83 year old woman who was raped by her 21 year old grandson. When we visited this grandmother's house, we saw her lying down. The house was stinking because she is no longer able to go to the ablution. Stinking as she was, she was still raped.

As Members of Parliament, we must take stern measures today and not tomorrow. I thank you.

MS ZINDI : Thank you Mr. Speaker, I also rise to support the motion raised by Hon. Majome and her seconder in regard to the issue of domestic violence and abuse of women in this country. I am going to talk about, rape, n'angas, parents and churches as regards the prophets and members of the apostolic sect. I will also talk of dress conduct which they say entices men into raping women.

Mr. Speaker Sir, It amazes me and I frankly do not understand it when I hear that a woman or a girl has been raped by a man. What amazes me is that such issues on several occasions; we have read them in the newspapers. The duty of the media is to enlighten us on what is happening in our country. In the villages the headmen and Chiefs are trying such cases and coming up with sentences but we have seen these cases going unabated. I then a question myself, is it because…



MR. SPEAKER: There is a red ISUZU ABD8240 would you please go and clear the way for someone who wants to go. Can you resume your debate.

*MS ZINDI: Thank you Mr. Speaker, I was saying that the sentence that are being given, whether it be at the headmen, Chief's court or in the courts of law that are tried by magistrates and judges, when you read in the newspapers you will still see that these cases are continuing. Sentences should be deterrent but alas, there is no such deterrence. Maybe the sentences are not deterrent enough. We are not sending the correct signal to would be offenders of rape.

My suggestion Mr. Speaker Sir, is that men must be castrated. I am saying that, only men who are convicted of rape must be castrated. I do not know - others are saying women are also perpetrators. If we look at offenders of rape, men are in the majority as perpetrators. The rape of men by women is recent edition. We never used to have such cases before; the court is still coming to grips on how a man is raped by a woman. We are talking of what is already in the public domain that men are raping women. The ages of women that are being raped ranges from one year old, being raped by her father or relative as has been mentioned by previous speakers to a granny who is 83 years or over. Rape is now being perpetrated by persons who are known by relatives. I would want to go to the issue of the sentences being imposed; you will hear a month later, a case where a father has been sentenced to 20 years for raping his child has been published in the newspaper, the same scenario of a man who has raped a child also appears in the media. That is why I am saying that they should be castrated so that they will be incapable of raping anymore.

We will not be the first country to impose Sharia law on such men. There was a case that I read about in France concerning rape, when you are sentenced to imprisonment and doctors will inject you so that you will not have an erection anymore and it ends there. So I am saying that this august House should support this motion and such an action it is not us as Zimbabweans who would started but if we are not going to physical castrate then we should inject that man so that he becomes impotent.

I will then come to the issue of n'angas, I support the previous speakers. Our n'angas are doing us disservice because those that represent the n'angas association (ZINATHA) are also raising concern as regards the behaviour of these n'angas who prescribe or recommend that one should go and have intercourse with a virgin or a young girl so that they can be cured of HIV, or that they must have sex with a young girl so that they get rich. It is men who are after riches that do that and in most cases they are asked to have sex with their daughters. Such n'angas, if it were possible through the n'angas associations, they should be some enlightenment or education so that they appreciate that one can never be rich by raping their own daughter.

If one does not indulge in hard work - all of us could have been rich if it was as simple as having sexual relations with one's child. No one would ask anything about it because that would have been the norm. However, because it is not the norm, we are all concerned about the behaviour of traditional healers who advise and prescribe such acts to take place for the purported reasons of enriching their clients. They are causing these problems which the nation is now facing.

The Traditional Healers' Association should educate or carry out awareness programmes for their members so that they instill in them the culture of hard work as a form of enrichment. It is akin to a traditional healer that when I have my grocery shop, I should kill someone and use their head so that I will be able to get more money. However, the issue is, if you do not buy more stock for your grocery shop, you cannot reap profits because you have nothing to sell. The decapitated head of a human being is not the stock. I am giving this as an example to show that nothing comes out of anything other than hard work.

If you were to look at the traditional healer who gives that kind of advice, you will notice that he/she lives in a room where you nearly have to crawl in order to gain entry into that hut. There is nothing special or admirable about the homestead or the traditional healer himself. There is no any form of wealth, the traditional healer has nothing. How then should I get advice from this traditional healer, does he/she not also want to get rich? Why are they interested in seeing only me getting rich? The traditional healer should also be a candidate for the castration tool to be used on him.

I will give statistics as comparison of the current cases as compared to previous years. Currently the figures have risen more than in previous years. We should also look at such cases in comparison to other countries such as India and South Africa. Currently we are almost at par with these countries. We used to think that South Africa has alarming rates of rape cases, where the statistics are presented as, in every 5 minutes, a woman is raped. However, we realise that we are more or less within the same statistics.

We have also heard of gang-rapes from other countries, which is now happening in our country Zimbabwe. Most of these cases are being perpetrated by armed robbers. We have read about these cases in the print media. There was a man from Epworth who was sentenced to 230 years in prison. The convict was in the habit of moving around robbing women and raping them. I am failing to understand what is now happening in our country.

I will relate this issue with that happening in churches. As you will be moving around, you find a small group of women - I am not dissuading people from worshipping, but we should not use Christianity to lure victims closer, especially men. I have not heard of a woman-headed church where men were raped. The most culprits that we have heard are from men-headed churches where the men have gone as far as raping their congregants. A case in point is the Gumbura case.

As we read stories from the print media, we also hear that a certain prophet - about 3 weeks ago I read about a prophet who later earned a nick name baba zvidya ('Mr. Thighs'). How can a prophet be nick-named 'Mr. Thighs?' 'Mr. Thighs' reputation came about as a result of raping congregants. Does it mean that the society has accepted that this is what the prophet is like? Over and above this, women still visit that church. One woman belonging to that church even went on to divorce her husband because she was taken in by 'Mr. Thighs.' The prophet was eventually given advice by his friend that, he should gather all his belongings and leave Chitungwiza because of the bad reputation he was displaying.

Women were coming to church where they were receiving prophecy from the man and yet he was also raping them. On confrontation by the court of law, the response by the prophet, 'Mr. Thighs,' was, "I will not leave my place, yes I am having sexual intercourse with them but these are prostitutes who practice their trade during the night. They want me to give them spiritual powers so that they can outwit their competitors in terms of clients during the night. This is adding insult to injury.

When asked about the issue of HIV/AIDS, citing allegations that he does not use condoms, he said that he prefers to have sexual intercourse without any form of protection, likening it to eating a sweet that is wrapped. He said that should he be infected, so be it. All these things are happening at a church.

Coming back to us as women, Members of Parliament included, this should be our problem. We should help our fellow women because it is us who believe that a man who is a prophet is going to be a panacea to all problems. In the process, we become very faithful and if it will be me Zindi who is single, I will then say, I have never been married, and I want to have a man in my life. As beautiful and fair skinned as I am, why should I not have a man? He will then say, you should start with me, and 'Mr. Thighs' then enjoys his thighs- [Laughter]- There is an hon. member here Mr. Speaker Sir, who is asking me if I am searching. No, I am not searching, I am not searching, I have already found one.

Mr. Speaker Sir, what I am trying to put across is that, this should be our problem as hon. members. We should try to talk to our constituents, especially women and girls that, although we should be encouraged to worship.

We should not then have a lot of fighting to the extent that we have gone to a prophet because we have failed to have children. The prophet will then say, close your eyes and remove your clothes, I want to apply anointed oil on you and in the end, they rape you. This is what I am trying to say so that maybe, such awareness may help women and might help lessen the number of women being raped. It is not only single women but even married ones are being raped and children are seared by such prophets.

Maybe, let me give you an example. I will not hide behind a finger. There was a prophet whose name was called Baba Nzira - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]. I will illustrate and use him as an example. He is one of the persons who was eventually convicted and sentenced for having raped married women, even impregnated them because he would mislead them into believing that he had powers that could cause them to conceive although he was merely taking care of his last.

As women and as Members of Parliament, let us have awareness programmes in our constituencies targeting women and urge them to go to church but making sure that they go there with their eyes wide open.

On the issue of dressing, you hear men giving the excuse that they raped their victims because of their provocative dressing. They will say they had a mini dress on, they had a pair of shorts on or the woman had been walking in front of me and then she bent down. Let me pause a question Mr. Speaker Sir, men wear pair of trousers and when they are seated like we are now, we see their private parts. We see them exposed - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]-

THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER: Order, order, hon. members.

*MR. MACKENZIE: Point of order Mr. Speaker.May the hon. member stop using the word 'tools' it is un-parliamentary - [ Being Hon. Zindi who had used the word tools referring to men's private parts].

THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER: There is no point of order hon. member, proceed - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]-

*MS. ZINDI: Thank you Mr. Speaker for protecting me. I was just explaining that when men are seated, we see their shape and form of their private parts. We can see that there is something in there - [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear]-

THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER: Order, order in the House. I want to inform the hon. member that you only have5 minutes left. Please go ahead.

*MS. ZINDI: I was about to round up hon. Speaker. What I was going to explain was that, the lean excuse that I have heard is that a man raped a girl because her thighs were exposed. We have seen the men's private parts but where have you heard a woman giving the same excuse that they raped a man because they had their private parts form and shape showing.It is unheard of.

Finally hon. Speaker, I would say that, maybe it is psychological that men can behave in such a manner and women should not dress like that. If a white person were to go past dressed in a like manner as the African woman who would have done, no man pays attention to her because she is white. I do not understand, if it is what is called culture, what is the culture there, to say rape each other? Has culture influenced you to rape anyone?

In the end Mr. Speaker, I would say, relative to this motion, considering the coming of the '16 Days of Activism' which will start on 25th November - 10th December, I would want to say that we should wear black clothes for that period. [MS. D. SIBANDA: Black and purple].

MS. ZINDI: Alright, black and purple to sympathise with the victims and also for us to continue creating awareness to our minds. Maybe, it will help to reduce the cases of rape and domestic violence. Also, a woman should really understand that it is her right to say to her matrimonial husband, no and if they are raped, there is what is called marital rape. Thank you.

THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR MASHONALAND EAST PROVINCE (MR. MUDARIKWA): Mr. Speaker Sir, I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday, 12th February, 2014.

On the motion of THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR MASHONALAND EAST PROVINCE , the House adjourned at Twenty Five Minutes to Six o'clock p.m.


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