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NATIONAL ASSEMBLY HANSARD - 11 OCTOBER 2011 VOL. 38 NO. 8

Tuesday, 11th October 2011

The House of Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two O'clock p.m .

PRAYERS

(MR. SPEAKER in the Chair)

MOTION

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

THE MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS: I move that Orders of the Day, Numbers 1 to 5 be stood over until the rest of the Orders of the Day have been disposed of.

Motion put and agreed to.

MOTION

RATIFICATION OF THE BILATERAL INVESTMENT

PROMOTION AND PROTECTION AGREEMENT

BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF ZIMBABWE AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF BOTSWANA

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ECONOMIC PLANNING AND INVESTMENT PROMOTION: Mr. Speaker Sir, last week I distributed the agreement which was signed between the Republic of Zimbabwe and Botswana concerning the bilateral investment promotion and protection agreement. I believe that hon. members have had the opportunity to go through the BIPPA agreement. The BIPPA agreement comprises of 20 articles and it has a preamble. The bilateral agreement, I think is inherent in the title, that the essence, -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- Mr. Speaker Sir, I believe members should listen carefully because this is an important agreement. The essence of the agreement is about creating investments and protecting investment. Those are the two pillars, bilateral investment promotion and of the protection agreement which we give the acronym BIPPA. Its essence and the preamble states that the aim is to foster economic cooperation in terms of investment and in terms of trade, Botswana and Zimbabwe are traditionally linked. There has been a lot of interaction between the two communities. I remember that there was a Botswana community which was living in Zimbabwe which was repatriated a few years back. So, there is so much in terms of both trade and social interaction. Many of us have made it in Botswana and the same applies to Botswana as well. Article one of the agreement gives definition of the required definition about what we mean by investment territory and so forth, to avoid any doubt.

Then Article 3 and 4, are the ones which deal with the promotion and the protection aspect of the agreement. You will notice Mr. Speaker, that the agreement gives what we term most favoured nation treatment which states that members shall accord each other the first favour in view of this agreement which has been signed. The agreement has provisions for compensation where an investor feels that he has been prejudiced, there is recourse for redress to be taken.

It also has clauses on expropriation, it also transfers investment and returns accordingly. You will notice Mr. Speaker that nowadays, protection of environment is critical to sustainable development. We always say the three pillars of economic development - the first one is that you need to achieve economic development and also ultimately need to protect the environment which gives you the base to sustain economic growth and also ultimately need to protect the environment which gives you the base to sustain life and economic development.

Let me also state that the trade between the two countries has been growing since 50 years ago. We have enjoyed some good trade relations. In 2009, our total exports to Botswana were 36 900 million, in 2010, our exports to Botswana rose to 102 million. This is a phenomenon. Our imports from Botswana are also steadily rising and at the present moment, we enjoy trade surplus with Botswana.

Mr. Speaker, in the agreement which was signed on 21 March, 2011 the Botswana government promised to avail 700 000 000 pula to Zimbabwe as credit line for promoting trade and joint ventures between our companies and companies in Botswana.

The Botswana Government Mr. Speaker has already ratified this agreement and it awaits ratification by this august House. I therefore commend this agreement for ratification. I thank you.

Motion put and agreed to.

MOTION

RATIFICATION OF THE BILATERAL INVESTMENT PROMOTION AND PROTECTION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF ZIMBABWE AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF INDIA

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ECONOMIC PLANNING AND INVESTMENT PROMOTION (MR. UNDENGE): I move the motion standing in my name:

THAT WHEREAS, Subsection (1) of Section 111B of the Constitution of Zimbabwe provides that any convention, treaty or agreement acceded to, concluded or executed by or under the authority of the President with one or more foreign states or governments or international organisations shall be subject to approval by Parliament;

WHEREAS the Bilateral Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Zimbabwe and the Government of the Republic of India was signed on the 10th of February 1999;

WHEREAS Article 14 of this Agreement provides that it shall be subject to ratification and shall enter into force one month after the date of exchange of Instruments of Ratification;

AND WHEREAS the Government of Zimbabwe, having signed the aforesaid Agreement and is desirous of operationalising it;

NOW THEREFORE, in terms of subsection 111B of the Constitution, this House resolves that the aforesaid agreement be and is hereby approved for ratification.

Mr. Speaker, the Bilateral Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement between Zimbabwe and India also seeks to promote and protect investments between the two respective countries. The relations between the two countries; India and Zimbabwe have been very cordial since the establishment of Zimbabwe and we also have a sizeable population of Indians who are here and are now also Zimbabweans.

However, trade between the countries has been at a low level and the aim of this BIPPA agreement is to ensure that we do increase trade and investment between our two countries. Let me cite recent statistics; in 2007 total investments from India stood at US$4 million and it rose steadily to US$10, 8 million in 2008. In 2009, it rose to US$27 million and this is foreign direct investment. I am not talking about your -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-

MR. SPEAKER: Order Minister, do not listen to what they are saying. Address the Chair Minister.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ECONOMIC PLANNING AND INVESTMENT PROMOTION: Recently, I think every honourable member heard about ESSA's investment at ZISCO and that is going to resuscitate ZISCO and of course they are also expanding to Chikomba-Chivhu in terms of mining our iron ore. India, I would say, has been one of the major investors in Zimbabwe when you look at such major projects like ESSA is doing. I believe it is going to revamp our steel industry and the economy at large. As you may be aware, iron still forms the back born of the economy. It also creates a lot of down-stream industries in addition to direct employment.

They are also other investments which have been made by India in Zimbabwe which include Modzone, that is the joint venture between IDC - Industrial Development Corporation and another Indian company. I think in terms of trade, there are prospects between India and Zimbabwe and as a Ministry, we are looking forward that more investments and trade will arise from concluding this agreement and I seek the indulgency of the House to ratify this agreement because of the benefits which are going to accrue to Zimbabwe.

Mr Speaker, I commend this agreement for ratification by the House.

Motion put and agreed to.

MOTION

RATIFICATION OF THE BILATERAL INVESTMENT PROMOTION AND PROTECTION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF ZIMBABWE AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN

Eighth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the ratification of Bilateral Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Zimbabwe and the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran which was signed on the 9th day of May 1999.

Question again proposed.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ECONOMIC PLANNING AND INVESTMENT PROMOTION: Mr. Speaker, I move for the ratification of the Bilateral Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Zimbabwe and the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran which was signed on the 9th day of May 1999 be approved.

Motion put and agreed to.

MOTION

PRESIDENTIAL SPEECH: DEBATE ON ADDRESS

Ninth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion in reply to the Presidential Speech.

Question again proposed.

*MRS. ZINYEMBA: Thank you Mr. Speaker. Let me start by saying a few words concerning the President's Speech in this august House. I believe that all of us, including myself, the most important issue that I got is that we are all Zimbabweans all of us in this House without politicizing anything. Because of that, he urged us as citizens of Zimbabwe to build our country and not look at political parties because political parties come and go. Using that same issue, I want to say that as we go about our business in building the country, each of us should be guided by the fact that we are doing this for the nation and do it whole heartedly whether today there is someone else and tomorrow there is another one in power, we should all work together. I want us to take those words and be united in building our country.

The most important thing that I want to say in this House, in relation to my constituency, Mazowe South, which is a constituency that has a lot of wealth especially in the form of agriculture and secondly, it is rich in minerals. The important thing I want to say about agriculture is to ask each ministry that has something to do with the issue of food security to be seen doing their work in a proper way. The reason is that we might say Ministry of Health, Ministry of Education, Ministry of Defence, Ministry of what but all those people need to eat. So, for that reason, I am asking all Ministers in Cabinet to firstly beef up the Ministry of Agriculture through the Mechanisation Programme so that all of us can be secure in terms of food. After we have all eaten and are full from the agricultural sector, you will find that it creates employment, this will enable industries to flourish as well - those in the cotton industry, those in the cooking oil industry and this creates employment. So, in that respect, it actually reduces poverty that is in the country. If a person is well fed, he cannot be a sell-out because he is full and self-sufficient … - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] - I was listening a few days ago when the Minister spoke on the issue of wailing over the money from GMB. They had opened up the private buyers so that the Ministry of Finance has a certain amount of maize that it can take - around 500 000 tonnes that they can put on reserve.

In my opinion, if we sell our maize to the private buyers, we do not know where they are going to take the maize at the end of the day. Our experience is that, in the previous years around 2000, another white farmer in my constituency actually buried maize in his field and this ended up rotting. We want all the maize to go to GMB, we want GMB to buy plenty of maize - why? Because this is the granary of the country, we do not want to be in a situation whereby we are in poverty because we do not have maize because we have sold it to private buyers. At the GMB we are guaranteed that our maize is safe. My plea is that we do away with the private buyers. In addition to that, I want to say there was money that was allocated to the Minister of Agriculture. That money should be increased so that farmers can have faith in agriculture and gear up for more production in agriculture. The issue of buying produce from other countries is not right because we do not know what type of maize we are buying and at times we may not be able to get the maize. Government has to look at the issue of agriculture and put security. The farmers should get reasonable returns on their produce.

On mining, I am asking the government that when it embarks on issuing licenses to those who are interested in mining, it has to make sure that the licenses are issued quickly because you will find out that there is tag-of-war between the miners and Environmental Management Authority. Miners are not allowed to mine unless they have the licenses in hand. At the end of the day poverty continues because those who want to mine are our jobless children. The majority are not working and for that reason, we want fairness of opportunities in all sectors (mining or manufacturing). The processes should be done on time so that our children can be in a position to be employed and employ. That way we can build-up our country.

I want to end up by saying, in Mazowe South, the majority of the constituency consists of the new farmers and you will find out that the schools that were there in the farms only had up to grade 3. If one went to grade 7, it was by the grace of God.

Government should look into the issue of infrastructural development in this area. I urge government to construct infrastructure and encourage schools that are on the farms so that the majority of people there can get adequate education, which is equivalent to those in the urban areas. Some children are still learning under trees and in tobacco bans. I urge the government to look into the issue of the education and health sectors.

I want to end up by saying, it is in this House, where the discord begins because we do not have respect for this House. We need to unite so that we can actually do the work that we are expected to do by the people who elected us. I think the way we respond to each other is what causes violence Madam Speaker.

THE MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday, 14th October 2011-[AN HON. MEMBER: Inaudible interjection]-

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order hon. member if you continue speaking I will throw you out of this august House now.

MOTION

CONDOLENCES ON THE DEATH OF RETIRED GENERAL SOLOMON MUJURU

Tenth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the death of Retired General Tapfumaneyi Ruzambo Mutusva Mujuru, Rtd. Commander of the Zimbabwe National Army and former Hon. Member of Parliament.

Question again proposed.

*MR. MUNJEYI: Madam Speaker, as we join the Mujuru family. We want to add our voice to the sad loss of Hon. General Mujuru. I was greatly hurt by the death of Hon. Mujuru because I was with the Retired General since 1972. That is the truth because that is when I left this country. The history that I have with Hon. Mujuru goes as follows:

The education that he had during the liberation struggle was special to me. Let me give you a brief history. After I had been injured during the Chimoio Struggle, I had gone to fight the white man, but he said you have not finished fighting the war. To me as a person who had learnt a lot and going to school, I had been quite educated in terms of medicine and I knew that there is what is called intravenous but the education that I had at that time, you will would probably laugh. I went to the war as a Standard One, what we call Grade 1 today. After I had gone through the medicine training, I actually managed to get quite a lot of training and up to today, I still have that education such that today I would have been a doctor. Let me go on by saying that with my Standard One, I learned medicine through terminology. I learnt that if I had to learn a lot about make up it is called dermatology. For us to learn about the brain that transports the blood, it is called spineology. For us to learn about the bones in English it is called osteology. To learn about the flesh it is called Biology. So, Madam Speaker, I am hurt. I want to qualify my story by saying when he came to the base where I was at Mahonde, I was the medical MA in the base, the medical officer was Nhunzva Tunzva and he was not there. When Hon. Mujuru got there, I examined him, he was sweating and was losing strength. So, I went through my papers. Because of the education I had gone through, I realised that he was now suffering from cerebral malaria and so I did my diagnosis and I realised that he wanted aminophylline which is usually intravenous. So, I took an injection and managed to inject him and did it bit by bit and it took about 15 to 25 seconds. I managed to give him the injection and kept him for about seven days monitoring him to see if he would recuperate. After seven days, I found Hon. Mujuru already out and he had been healed.

So, I want to say to the people in this House that it would be good that as we moan the death of Hon. Mujuru, we think deeply of the problems that people faced in the war. For me to know what I know now, it is because of the war that I was involved in. We lost a hero who was brave and had a lot of advice and was a strategist in the army. With these words hon. Speaker, I am hurt when people ask me how Hon. Mujuru died because when the time for one to rest has come, no one can ask. God does this in a way that we do not know, should accept what the Lord would have done and that we all have different ways of dying. Thank you.

MR. CHITANDO: Thank you Hon. Speaker, I want to thank you for giving me this time. Firstly, there are two or three things that I realise that I wanted to reflect upon in Zimbabwe. I never had an encounter with Hon. Mujuru. I met him in the books and in the media, both the electronic and print and through talking to people. That is what I know, the things I read and the things I heard must have been true. Firstly, the people of Zimbabwe should look at it this way, if you look at the statements from Hon. Mutinhiri and Hon. Mhandu and words said by other hon. members who went to war you will see how different we are in this august House. It might be from the party I come from or the other party that I am facing there is an issue that we are different. From Hon. Mhandu and Hon. Mutinhiri, these people display discipline, which I think is the same discipline that Hon. Mujuru had. Some of our hon. members the discipline is not there. The issue is what they can do is to yell insults at one another but on the issue of going to the liberation struggle there is nothing. The words that you hear of ridiculing the people on this side or those with a different opinion were not found in Hon. Mujuru and you will not find such words coming from Hon. Mhandu and Hon. Mutinhiri. You will find such words coming from the mouth of Hon. Navaya, which shows that he did not go to war. Those who did not go to the liberation war are in the forefront. So, the problem that we have here is that as the people of Zimbabwe we need to sit down and begin to educate one another on the Mujuru school of ideology.

I go on to the issue that hurts me, even if we talk trying to hide in this House both MDC and ZANU PF, out there even if we are found talking about how Hon. Mujuru died and the people out there are hurt. Do you think that the people of Zimbabwe will have confidence in that report. I ask this question because the people who passed away even during 2008 Elections, some of them, the way they died has not been revealed to this date. There is no way you can tell a person even in rural areas that Hon. Mujuru died from a candle fire and people believe you. That is not possible. If we are to tell each other in this august House that a candle can cause death, that is impossible. A candle to kill a soldier who was trained during the liberation struggle, it is not possible but if you had said the candle was bewitched, probably that we could understand or the candle had supernatural powers or the candle was sent by someone or that Hon. Mujuru could not escape because he had been tied.

There is an issue that you should look at in the history of this country, when Hon. Chitepo passed away, there were people in ZANU PF who were jailed. They were accused of the murder. You did not remove that from the people of Zimbabwe, there was an issue suspecting one another, that should not be taken away. Even when Hon. Tongogara passed away - even if you tell the people that he died from an accident, the people of Zimbabwe will not accept that up to today. From there, we go on to Sydney Malunga, after he had debated contrary to what was in here as I am doing right now - we heard that there was a black dog that was seen and he died but there was also suspecting one another in the party, then we have William Ndangana, the suspects also emerge within the party. Why is it that this is persisting in this country? Border Gezi and Elliot Manyika, there are few heroes in Zimbabwe who have died a decent death such as Cde. Muzenda. Why, if we talk of Cde. Zvobgo - the accident that happened in Chivi is what caused his death. I am an uncle to Cde. Zvobgo but I believe that something happened within the party that caused his death. What I am saying is that we need to sit down and talk.

The violence that was said by the President, did not started yesterday but it has always been there. It had started within us as a party when we were together. We were all in ZANU PF, we were born and bred in ZANU PF, most of these hon. members were all in ZANU PF except Hon, Matshalaga who was in ZIPRA and Hon. Muchena who was in Dzakudzaku.

Hon. Bhasikiti, if you talk of the death of Hon. Mujuru, we cannot just give words of comfort, Hon. Bhasikiti you should have advocated for other people to do the investigations not the police. You can not send a thief to go and find a thief.........

MR. MAVIMA: On a point of order Madam Speaker. The hon. member is insinuating that the police are thieves, are murderers and he must withdraw that statement.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. Chitando, you have no proof, it is just an allegation so, can you withdraw that statement.

MR. CHITANDO: I withdraw. What I want to say is that the point that I had and want to say is that if we want the Zimbabweans out there, those who elected you and ZANU PF and MDC, if you want them to have confidence and accept what you are doing, we should have advocated for independent investigators to investigate this issue because they are independent, not to look for people who are within. What I am saying Madam Speaker is that the children out there think that within the structures of the party where Hon. Zvobgo and Hon. Muzenda come from, there is someone who actually caused the death of Hon. Mujuru. I did not say the police are responsible for the death of Hon. Mujuru. I said the people of Zimbabwe suspect, so people are expecting that we should remove all this suspicion so that at the end of the day we have an objective. I pray that with these words the children of Zimbabwe - Hon. Bhasikiti, I hope that with this motion you will advocate for the setting up of an independent investigation. But to you maybe it is okay because it does not hurt you that much. I thank you.

*MR. TACHIONA: Thank you Madam Speaker for giving me this opportunity to contribute on this issue. I want to thank the initial speakers and Hon. Bhasikiti who moved this motion. We are really saddened by the loss of a father, a liberation war hero and a liberator. Let me say that the death of Hon. Mujuru was a shock to the people of Zimbabwe and the way he died. When people are seated there trying to understand how a person like Hon. Mujuru, with the training he went through during the struggle, but he died from a fire.

I tried recently, when I was in the rural areas when my dog dived, I put logs of fire and put on top of that dog and actually made a big fire from ten and adding firewood until end of day but I realised that the skeleton part was still there but the firewood had been burnt down. Then I started thinking that a person with 80% water in his body was burnt, but the sofas were not burnt, and we take four months without knowing what happened. What more of those in Chikombedzi? How is their security out there if we say a person who is well-guarded, a person who kept a gun on his waist died in such a manner.

Really, it is unbelievable. Let me say that this kind of death did not start that way. My own brother in Buhera was burnt by Joseph Mwale such that we need an enquiry. It is useless when we talk of an enquiry. Kitsiyatota and Joseph Mwale are still there. There is no enquiry that is needed as the facts are there. But the issue that Hon. Chihuri who is at the same level with General Mujuru protects Mwale and you cannot get the docket.

Madam Speaker, let us take this issue seriously because I am assuming if Hon. Mujuru died such a death I can actually die as soon as I walk out of this building. So security of the individual in this country is not there but when we talked about it that the hyena is feeding on its children, you denied that. Now that the hyena has taken one of your children it has become an issue. All of us here can die. Can we actually say we are liberated when a hero like Hon. Mujuru can die from a candle fire? Why is it that when such things happen you run and distort evidence before the experts come in?

We have Patson Nyangwa who was burnt in Jerera the way Hon. Mujuru died. People were there. Mutombeni was also burnt in Mashava. Learnmore Jongwe passed away and it was said he took poison, where did he get it from when people are subjected to search at the gate. The issue we are saying is that we should not fool the people to say so and so has killed. Our system as a country is that I know there are suspects who are being nailed. If the security forces are not doing their security duties but those who murder others, you do not say anything about them, no we cannot have that.

Let me say that Hon. Mujuru when he went to the liberation war, he went because he wanted equity and equality in Zimbabwe. Today we do not see that equity and equality. Did you go so that you could benefit on your own? Hon. Mujuru went and fought for the land but that land only went to a few chosen. Do you think we also do not want that land? Hon. Mujuru went to war so that the country would go to the people of Zimbabwe not to a few. As we speak, the country is in smoke, people are burning forests through veld fires and are cutting down trees.

Right now in terms of food security there is hunger and starvation. Is that why we went to war? We heard people saying I never went to war but my father is the one who used to give the liberation war heroes food. He fought the war. I want to agree that those who never went to the liberation struggle are the ones who make a lot of noise and those who went to war are the ones who are disciplined. That is why they fought Smith but others who are my age such as Hon. Zhuwao should not talk about being liberation war heroes. We have others who went to war and not you. We are really pained together with the Mujuru family, but let me say that the death of Hon. Mujuru even if you were to setup an inquiry and do whatever. Tichawona Chiminya was murdered by Mwale, there is no inquiry that is needed. So, the issue is that the hyena should not feast on its children. If you bring up an ill-mannered child, it will turn against you tomorrow.

The way the Generals have died in this country, those who move with bodyguards are hit by trains at a railway crossing. Do you honestly think that is true? The way Cde. Tongogara died coming to this country - why? Because the white man had said, he should be the leader and he was so close to Egypt just like Moses, but he did not manage to get to Canaan. What happened to Cde. Tongogara? Some of the base leaders, during the Run-Off are here and, they have not been arrested. So, the inquiry on how Hon. Mujuru died will not help. Even if you know, what are you going to do to that person when we have people here who killed but have not been arrested. Let me say that this idea of murdering one another was done in the war era, andthat system should come to an end. Are you not ashamed to be murdering your own brother? Do you not have hearts? After you have murdered, you actually go back to your families and ask for your food - this habit should come to an end Madam Speaker. People are killed in this country and no one is arrested.

When a person goes out there, like myself, if I go outside and die, no report is given as to what would have happened. People out there want to know how Hon. Mujuru died. Hon. Mujuru was a person of the people, he was not cruel. The last time I saw him was just before I got to Feather-stone and he was having a beer. I know it is a wish, but some of us will never murder anyone. I am saying, when I saw Hon. Mujuru, I spoke to him and that was my first time. When I told him, I am an MDC Member of Parliament he said; that is why we went to war for multi-party democracy. He was a unifier and would listen to both sides of the story.

In fact, when he went to the liberation struggle, he went for wealth to be equally distributed. Let me say we cannot say Hon. Mujuru's death was caused by an individual, but that the way I see it, there was need to engage Private Investigators before anyone got to the scene of the murder. If he could have used the window to get out, would he have run over and gone towards the fire? It is said that the grand children used to go through the window as they were playing, then a trained army General dies in that manner.

When Hon. Mujuru, was an army General, during his time we never heard of violence in this country but with the Generals that we now have, the Political Commissars - there is a lot of violence. It is as if they drink people's blood because people are beaten up day in, day out. Can you tell me that people who are shown in a picture beating up others and engaging in violence cannot be arrested? Here at Parliament Building, can you tell me that you cannot arrest that person? Even if you give me authority tomorrow to go and arrest those people, I will bring those perpetrators here, but in the rural areas, those that were beaten are the ones that were arrested. Is that why Hon. Mujuru went to war? What happened to Cde. Tongogara? This system should come to an end, the habit of saying so and so belongs to a particular party does not help.

I am deeply pained, Madam Speaker, by the death of Hon. Mujuru whose remains were put in a plastic bag as if he were two loaves of bread - when someone is burnt to ashes like a grasshopper. I told you about my dog, but I found it there. Now, you think if I am thrown into the fire, will you not find my remains? What of those that were burnt in Zaka? We were able to find them; Tichawona Chiminya, we were able to find him; Veronica Tombeni, we were able to find her - what of Mujuru? No, we should be ashamed, let us not murder one another. The country is doing well, we have things for dollar for two now. They fought for the liberation of this country so that people could live on milk and honey, there is independence because of people like Hon. Mujuru who was humble and honest. Let us learn from this great man, but killing someone is just painful. Madam Speaker, I thank you.

*MR. MADZIMURE: Thank you Madam Speaker. I also want to add my voice to the subject under discussion that was brought to this august House by Hon. Bhasikiti. Before I say much, I think, what is coming out of this House, the House that was elected to stand for the people, the voiceless, including Hon. Mujuru. It is good what Hon. Bhasikiti said that we should also mourn with the Mujuru family, but we see that Hon. Mujuru cannot explain to us what happened to him. It is not good to just take a piece of paper to mai Mujuru and say, we are with you in mourning. Mai Mujuru is also waiting to be assisted by this august House, she cannot say it on her own. Mai Mujuru cannot look for what actually killed her husband.

Therefore, I ask that Hon. Bhasikiti, before he winds up the motion should give this august House that we rectify the words that should be taken to M ai Mujuru or to put an Amendment to add that, us, as the august House are not convinced by the death of Hon. Mujuru. Therefore, as the House of Assembly, we are advocating that an independent investigation must be done by foreigners. Hon. Mujuru's issue has got people who are also in trouble that the commission may say it wants to know what actually happened. There is a lot that is happening so that these people can not say anything unless they are chased by this House. What Hon. Chiminya was saying is true that he was well guarded. Before you could go to see Hon. Mujuru, you had to pass through two check points. So it is impossible that he could be burnt beyond recognition and yet there were security personnel there. Were they watching over Hon. Mujuru or the farm? What hurts most is that there were policemen. The ZRP were there and it is a hurting issue.

There are issues which happened in this august House that we have never mentioned. What happened is that Hon. Biti's house was bombed and how can people holding such high offices go without being guarded. It is not right for such an official not to have security. These are issues that are now well known that before such issues happen, such as human rights issues, the police are always put there. What is making us request a private investigator to come to make an independent inquiry has begun when Hon. Mujuru died on the 6th of August 2011.

We have heard that for President Mugabe to become the leader of ZANU, it was because of Hon. Mujuru. I remember when we were still in the base that we were told until 1979 that we did not have a leader. We did not have a political leader and that was true as they said their leaders were liberation leaders. The hierarchy in the ZANLA is what we used to be told and not ZANU. They said they did not have a leader and that is what Hon. Mujuru wanted, that there should be a leader. The reason why people are mourning is not that they are enjoying it but there is something that has to be done so that it is not replicated.

If you look on all the people who died; the Governor for Mashonaland West Mr. Rukarwa died in mysterious circumstances. He died and other people who were in front died. Comrade Mahachi who was seated at the back seat of a car died the same way. Border Gezi also died the same way. When I drive to Masvingo, I always see the tree where the car is said to have hit a tree causing his death. One may not understand why one failed to negotiate to the extent that only one died.

It is a system that has continued and it is still going on. Now what happens with the police is that if you go to Mbare, you will find that the person who could have been beaten is the one who would be arrested but the one who would have been beaten by the other one would be going scot-free. Who is actually perpetuating this in the police? It is surprising that on this side, there are so many people, because it is an issue that is frightening in this country. It is God's grace that most of us are still there because all this side or most of us should have gone by now.

The issue is, when one begins to see the positives of why we went to war, that person is eliminated. ZANU PF has now a mourning caucus because he is no longer there. Hon. Mujuru was not like others who have prevented others from enjoying the benefits of the struggle on their own. No one at this time can stand up and do what Hon. Mujuru used to do. No one could stand up and say what Hon. Mujuru used to say in the Politburo. If there is anybody who could do that, you can show by raising your hand. No one could stand for the truth like General Mujuru.

It does not mean that we no longer have respect for the hon. Members who are here because I am here directly because of Hon. Mujuru's hand. As you can see Madam Speaker, sometimes we become overwhelmed and become emotional such that we end up acting like people void of reasoning. What we are doing is we are taking the death of a hero as if he is a nobody and as if we do not know how he died.

There is something that people should look forward to. Even elections next year or next year but one; it has something to do with Hon. Mujuru. Do not think people have forgotten that; "I am Rex Nhongo can you please go back to your bases." They know even if there is no explanation and you stand up and ask who killed Mujuru, they will tell you who killed Mujuru. That is why other people are going to pay. People of Zimbabwe, let us say this is a hero that died and speed up the process. I know we distorted the evidence at his house before the investigators could come. You can not say at the place a person who is a hero like that died, there was no ribbon to show that people can not enter in the house as that could destroy evidence. Everyone could come in until all the evidence was destroyed. Who was in charge on the day Hon. Mujuru died? Who was in charge? This country needs to know who was the Policeman in charge on the day of Hon. Mujuru's death. Who allowed everybody to get there and play around with the evidence. We should know who was the first person to arrive on the scene of crime.

What we are trying to do here is to put an end to this kind of system. It should not be perpetrated because it is bad- the Mujuru family might know that we are mourning with them but they are also looking upon this august House that are representing the people of Zimbabwe-as we are talking right now there might be someone out there saying that this person must be arrested by now. We in this august House, as representatives of the people have the right to say such things and it is our right to get explanations.

There is no institution that is above Parliament; so if there is one above Parliament, then it means this country is a lawless animal. When we get to the UN to defend our position, I heard that Hon. Chinamasa was there - I wish if people have asked how Hon. Mujuru died. They should have said that our Police are investigating and no stone will be left unturned. Now this issue of Hon. Mujuru is dying a natural death; do not think the people will forget. There are people who can be forgotten but Hon Mujuru can never be forgotten. This question is still going to be asked. So for that reason, I am asking Hon. Speaker, before Hon. Bhasikiti winds up his motion, he gives us time to request for an independent investigations team to further investigate and also that what is called an interim should also be set up.

We should also be given information as to how Hon Mujuru might have died. Hon. Chimina said there are so many people who have died through fire but we have also heard that others burn but we still find the body. Even those who were burnt in Sunningdale by fuel, but we were able to find the bodies of those people, not what happened to Hon. Mujuru. It would be good that we should be knowing what actually happened that caused him to be burnt to ashes.

It is not good for us to assume that people of Zimbabwe can be easily convinced of anything. Long before the opposition came in, before other parties came in, maybe it would have been possible- before the Inclusive Government; it could be possible; probably right now it would be an issue under the bridge but now things have changed, we want to know. Not that we enjoy it; not that we want to capitalise on that but that it should be a system that whatever is not clear should be explained.

I was shocked to see elderly men crying, they and I realised how painful it was and I said to myself all those who are crying; what are they thinking of but I do not think they have forgotten. The question is, tomorrow are you not going to be the one who is going to die in a similar incident; tomorrow it might be you. Thank you Madam Speaker.

MR. MUTOMBA: Thank you Madam Speaker for the time that you have given me to add my voice concerning the motion that is under discussion that was brought in by Hon. Bhasikiti. It is a painful motion on the death of Hon. Mujuru. Let me start off by saying; the day that we laid Hon. Mujuru to rest, in the tent where I was seated- there were MPs two from ZANU PF and there were also nine MDC MPs. I was touched Madam Speaker, that what I witnessed there, ever since I have been to the Heroes Acre, I have realised the importance of the death of Hon. Mujuru.

I have never before seen the MDC in such large numbers to come and mourn Hon. Mujuru who was a ZANU PF member. I want to say that is a great lesson that we should have learned from the death of Hon. Mujuru. The way we all came together as a House; as people who were deeply pained by the work that Hon. Mujuru did. Hon. Mujuru fought two liberation struggles. The liberation war struggle and the liberation of the economy. His works were actually mentioned in this House, we all know his works in this august House but what do we have as the august House that we have learnt or what we are learning from Hon. Mujuru? Is there a lesson that we can learn because when Hon. Mujuru died he did not go with his works. He left us a button stick that we should respect each other in this House and not look at each other as ZANU PF or MDC. That is why there was such a great multitude at the Heroes Acre. He was a man who looked at a person not along political affiliation but as a Zimbabwean.

If possible this should be a lesson that should unify us in this august House. This issue that when we are in this House, that who is presenting should not be considered who is from which side. We should learn from what Hon. Mujuru said - we should not look down upon each other. We should not say things that have sores from previous experiences. Where are we going? Zimbabwe is for everyone, not about which political party you belong to. The issue we have here based on Hon. Mujuru's works; he never looked at a person along political affiliation.

If we hear the words that were said by His Excellency the President; there were others who were actually ridiculing the Prime Minister during salutations and the President stood up and said to the people who were booing the Prime Minister, that everyone who came here from his house, came because of hurt and pain caused by the death of Hon. Mujuru who was born a true leader. He was born a true leader. He had a privilege of positions, he would resign and go to another stage. If he got a position, he was quick to give up power and hand over to someone else. When he got to a position of emancipating the economy, he left politics and went to the economy. If you look at the businesses that he used to run, what are we doing as we are seated in this House? What are you doing as an MP? Most of us in this House are on the pay roll to get survival, instead of creating employment for other people who are disadvantaged, that is the work that Hon. Mujuru used to do. Wherever he went, looking at the issue of employment, he created employment.

If you look at the way he grew tobacco at his farm, those are the things that we Members of Parliament should learn. That is what can actually build the economy of Zimbabwe. Most of the time we are here, we are busy ridiculing one another, we are misdirecting our efforts because it will not lead us to anywhere. This country belongs to all of us, that is one thing that we should know. It is our responsibility to push that economy and push the agenda forward as was the will of Hon. Mujuru. Hon. Mujuru did not care about the way we ridiculed one another but the moment we start doing that, we are not respecting Hon. Mujuru. The spirit should move us forward and not backwards. We must learn that Zimbabwe belongs to us irrespective of political parties.

Being a member of this august House is because you were chosen by the people because you have the leadership skills and you should represent those people in this House. So, I am asking that as we talk and contribute to this motion, it is not a time to be ridiculing one another. What can also change us, modify us and unify us than what we have learned from the late General Mujuru? His wishes to build the country should continue. It is an indelible mark that can not be forgotten as leaders. When we go to our constituencies, if we are failing to be united here, those divisions will follow us to constituencies. If that is what we are doing, we are wasting our time. My plea to this House is that this is not a time to be ridiculing one another. People out there are struggling, they need our leadership qualities that will make Hon. Mujuru not what we do in this House.

It is my plea Hon. Speaker, if only we could learn- so that we can learn a lesson from Hon. Mujuru's life. Yes we are in a time of mourning him and the family is also mourning, let us not waste our time moving forward and backwards. Our economy is tiring, what it needs is our leadership qualities. It is qualitative leadership that is needed by the people out there. It is the work that is supposed to be done by the responsible authorities. I know hon. members that what you are saying is out of the pain and grief caused by the death of Hon. Mujuru - because when you are talking in this House, you are looking at Hon. Mutomba, you are talking as if Hon. Mutomba is the one who caused all this. We are here to mourn one person, you are addressing those issues to the wrong people. We should be showing solidarity in mourning the death of Hon. Mujuru.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I want to thank Hon. Bhasikiti for introducing this motion. It is a painful motion but as I have said - we should ask ourselves as hon. members on, what is it that we want to do to the people that we represent, like what Hon. Mujuru did, he left his legacy to us. What are we teaching our followers?

When you appear in the newspapers tomorrow, newspapers summarize, sometimes they are biased, sometimes they say whatever you said, do you honestly think you can get votes from people who elected you? Thank you.

MR. MATSHALAGA: I would like to join this debate and congratulate Hon. Bhasikiti for bringing up this motion. I think it is a sombre moment. General Mujuru's death was a very painful event in the history of this country. I think it has also provided a lesson of experience both political and economic. I think it appears to be bringing us near apart sometimes but the man whose life we are celebrating by debating today is a man who had a very illustrious life. He had a very selfless life. He spent all his life dedicating his effort to the liberation of this country. So let us treat him with respect. Yes, they are some unfortunate incidents that happened but I would like to join Hon. Mutomba that may be we should have been more selective but as we sit in Parliament everybody has freedom of speech but I am those who listened and would take whatever they want.

When we looked at his life history, we understand he left this country at a tender age. Can you imagine he had taken his decision to leave the country because he found it unacceptable to live under such a colonial regime. So he tracked to the north and his aim - some of us tracked north, some of us for education, better qualification and self- gratification. He knew very well that what he was going for, the liberation of the country meant life or death. But he was determined. His determination is very true, most of you have said very well that he was a general of generals.

Most of you have said he moved from Zambia, Tanzania trained - can you imagine he was trained by some people then he excelled than the same people who were his trainers, he became their commanders. It is something that all of us should try to emulate and it is the spirit we should train all our children. You know the opportunities are there. He worked all his life to create opportunities for us. After the independence I think it is very clear when we say he had all the experience.

Maybe he had more foresight than everybody else because he worked with ZIPRA, he saved discipline with ZIPRA, he worked with ZIPA and joined the colleagues and worked with ZANLA and I think that is where he made most of his contribution in developing a new strategy for the fighting the war. I think he is a man and I have met him several times not in much detail but after the liberation struggle as an official with the Ministry of Finance with the late Josiah Tungamirai.

I met the two and I was literally impressed. They were saying to us in the Ministry of Finance, look we are importing these ammunitions. Why are we importing these at an exorbitant price? It is easy to make these. I said, What? He said, oh! It is easy to make these because it is just filling. So they started what we call the Zimbabwe Defence Industry in order to stop the bleeding of foreign currency so that they could at least create jobs and skills. This is the man whose life we are celebrating today. He was not only a soldier but he was so innovative that he brought a lot of changes in orientation.

After independence, his main aim was the re-integration of the three forces. When people talk, we talk like slogans. If you take a soldier from one area to the other. It is not an easy thing. You have to be a leader who has the respect to be able to command them. You have to earn first their respect in order to command them. This is the man and he succeeded very well. Not only did he succeed very well. You know, our army was a fighting army both ZANLA, ZIPRA and even the Rhodesian Forces.

They were fighting but he created what we call a people's army. An army that works with the people. An army that is there to service people. In addition, the army has got a tradition of coming to assist in terms of disaster but each year they involve themselves in what they call community programmes or projects. As Members of Parliament, I think that facility still remains, those of you who have small bridges, the army can assist you. This is what General Mujuru fought for and it is still there.

When you have a new army you push up the standard. You professionalize the army such that even SADC started sending their people here. The SADC School of Military Training is established here because of efforts and skills and recognition of efforts like those of General Mujuru. In the region and continent, we started having our army getting into what we call United Nations Missions. You do not get nominated by the UN to assist in peacekeeping efforts if your army is in tatters. That means your army is disciplined and professional. It can get into any situation.

This is the life of the man we are talking about. This is what we probably need to do as Members of Parliament and become a little bit more professional in how we debate and do things in honour of General Mujuru. He had lots of ideas. This is why it was not very difficult for him to leave the army because he saw opportunities elsewhere. He saw opportunities to do farming and do business and to set an example as a leader so that other people can realise that it is not only employment but you can be a businessman and fend for your children.

Mr. Speaker Sir, he left us with a legacy of working with every member of the community. Our colleagues from this side have actually agreed - [AN HON. MEMBER: Where you belong now.] - His funeral at the Heroes Acre is symptomatic of what he wanted Zimbabwe to look like and I think as Parliament we should also recognise and probably thank him for bringing us for the first time together. There were people whose faces I had never seen at the Heroes Acres but because of this man we are talking about, we saw their faces. I could not believe it at first and they simply said this man, we respected him.

Yes, how can we not respect him? There are a number of ways that we can respect this man who lived an illustrious life. He fought for independence. So, let us commit ourselves that this country should never be a colony again. It should remain with the people. When we talk, I think, what we should remember is that those who fought the liberation struggle, those who died not only in this country but whose graves are in our villages, whose graves are in our constituencies, whose graves are across our borders, what it means is that we should commit ourselves to remember these people and respect their efforts.

Recently, hon. members, Mr. Speaker Sir, I had a number of women who visited Chinhoyi, Chimoio shrine. The Chimoio-Napundu, these are not graveyards, these have been declared by people as National Shrines. A shrine is a place of respect and I think, in the national interest, it would be a good idea for Parliament even for one year or one time to say, Parliamentarians have at least visited one national shrine either in Zambia, Mozambique or anywhere where there was a battle in this country because these shrines should not just be in Zimbabwe - they should be everywhere.

This is most unfortunate, Mr. Speaker Sir. What I am saying is that these shrines where ever comrades fought, in other countries where there were wars, where a number of people died, they have symbols so that when you walk through there, you can actually respect if you do believe that it was a just cause.

Mr. Speaker Sir, with these few words, I want to join others, particularly everyone who has contributed to send our condolences to the wife of the late General. Mr. Speaker Sir, I thank you very much.

THE MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS: Mr. Speaker, may I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday, 12th October, 2011.

On the motion of THE MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS, the House adjourned at Half past Four o'clock p.m.

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