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NATIONAL ASSEMBLY HANSARD 12 JUNE 2019 VOL 45 NO 60

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PARLIAMENT OF ZIMBABWE

Wednesday, 12th June, 2019

The National Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two O’clock p.m.

PRAYERS

(THE HON. SPEAKER in the Chair)

ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE HON. SPEAKER

APOLOGIES RECEIVED FROM MINISTERS

          THE HON. SPEAKER: The Hon. Ministers who have asked for leave of absence because of national duty elsewhere are as follows: 

·       Hon. O. Moyo - the Minister of Health and Child Care;

·        Hon. F. Chasi - the Minister of Energy and Power Development;

·       Hon. Prof. M. Ncube – the Minister of Finance and Economic Development;

·        Hon. K. Kazembe - the Minister of ICT;

·        Hon. D. Karoro - the Deputy Minister of Lands, Agriculture, Water and Rural Resettlement;

·       Hon. V. Haritatos - the Deputy Minister of Lands, Agriculture, Water and Rural Resettlement;

·       Hon. K Coventry - the Minister of Youth, Sport, Arts and Culture;

·        Hon. J. Moyo - the Minister of Local Government; and

·       Hon. S. Nzenza - the Minister of Public Service, Labour and Social Welfare.

          HON. K. PARADZA:  I rise on a point of privilege Mr. Speaker Sir.  On 5th June 2019, Zimbabwe and the European Union (EU) formally launched political dialogue in accordance with Article 8 of the Cotonou Agreement that governs relations between the African, Carribean and the Pacific (ACP) Group of States and the EU.  Article 8 on political dialogue, provides for parties to exchange information, foster mutual understanding and facilitate the establishment of agreed priorities and shared agendas among other objectives.  Hon. Members may be pleased to know that Zimbabwe and the EU have been undertaking informal political dialogue over the years.  The exchanges remained informal because Zimbabwe has been refusing to engage in formal dialogue insisting on the removal first of the EU sanctions imposed on the country.  However, since the advent of the Second Republic, His Excellency President Emmerson Mnangagwa has repeatedly stated Government’s commitment to engage, reengage and normalise relations with all players and Member States in the International Community. 

Mr. Speaker Sir, may I take this opportunity to congratulate His Excellency, the President, for adopting the reengagement policy that has resulted in the launch of formal political dialogue with the EU.  We also want to thank the EU for conducting the dialogue in a frank and constructive manner.  The launch is a testimony of success of the informal political dialogue process.  That picture tells a very good story.  We therefore urge the two parties to continue working together in order to consolidate trust and great understanding in the relationship.  Mr. Speaker Sir, through you, all of us Members of Parliament should whole heartedly support His Excellency, the President, in his reengagement effort.

 In conclusion, in this new Zimbabwe and EU relationship we have embarked on, there is no room for sanctions.  We therefore call upon the EU to unconditionally remove the sanctions on Zimbabwe.  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. – [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.] –

          HON. NYATHI:  I stand on a point of privilege to note with satisfaction the progress being made on Government’s anti-corruption campaign.  You will understand Hon. Speaker Sir, that the Head of State and Government Hon. E. D. Mnangagwa has constantly and repeatedly been speaking about corruption.  You will understand that as Hon. Members, we must at all cost join hands with the Head of State to shun corruption at all levels.  As much as we are aware that corruption destroys the economy, corruption blinds the eyes of the wise, corruption is never good at all at any point.  Therefore, I want to urge Members as honourable Members to join hands with the Head of State in all walks of life to make sure that there is no corruption in Zimbabwe.

You will also note that the Head of State has already appointed an Anti-Corruption Commission Chairperson and that he has already opened some regional anti-corruption courts-starting with Harare, Bulawayo, Mutare, Masvingo and finally in Gweru.  So, I stand to say to the Head of State Alluta continua, forward forever and backwards never in matters of corruption.  I thank you.  – [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.] –

-         [ HON. T. MLISWA: Inaudible interjection.] -

          HON. SPEAKER:  Hon. Mliswa, who has recognised you.  With your high emotions, that does not stop you from standing up and being recognised.  Thank you.

          *HON. CHINOTIMBA:  I rise on a point of privilege Hon. Speaker.  I want to inform Hon. Members, through you that I was in South Africa the whole of last week. What I witnessed there gave me an idea and if it is permissible for Hon. Members to be given a chance to go and make their investigations in terms of pricing in South Africa and that in Zimbabwe and how this operates.  We can take 10 members from the ruling party and 10 from the opposition just to have a tour and see how things are in South Africa. 

I realise that our diesel is much cheaper than in South Africa.  Their diesel is R16 yet their rand is 14:1US$.  Here in Zimbabwe our US dollar is 8RTGs$ on the black market, while the interbank rate it is 5 RTGS$, which means that our diesel is cheaper than in South Africa by far.  What is needed here is cushion in terms of salaries for the people and workers.  If Parliament is allowed to carry out investigations as to the hardships that we are facing - we send a delegation to do investigations and then come and report to this House without insulting each other.  We are busy having misunderstandings and yet people are coming from South Africa to get diesel in Zimbabwe.  Their bread is R15 which is a dollar plus whilst here bread is going for RTGS$3.50.  So, we want to find out what the main challenge is, whether it is the black market or what. 

This is my point of privilege - if it is possible through you Mr. Speaker, we should meet with the Head of State to enable us to go and conduct investigations and comparing with what happens in South Africa.  I realised that our salaries should be in tandem with the cost of living.  When I consider our salaries, they are at the rate of 1:1 and that has not changed.  So my request is that all Hon. Members understand me, even Hon. Mliswa, that if we were to send Hon. Mliswa and myself to go and tour, investigate and really find out what is happening, it will assist us to determine where we are as Zimbabwe.  I think that would assist our economy a lot.  I thank you. 

THE HON. SPEAKER:  Order, order you are now going into Question Time.  Can you be brief in your points of privilege?  I recognise Hon. Musabayana.

HON. MUSABAYANA:  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I rise on a point of privilege as enshrined in our Privileges and Standing Rule 68 read in conjunction with 69 (b).  You will recall, Mr. Speaker Sir, that on 16th May, I raised an issue with the Minister of Finance and Economic Development pertaining to the preservation of our agricultural commodities – maize, wheat and soya.  The Ministry of Finance and Economic Development had previously announced pre-producer/pre-planting prices for these commodities but it was pegged in RTGS dollars.  However, these prices were quickly being eroded by the divide between the RTGS dollar and the parallel rate or interbank rates.  

Yesterday, most of my constituents who are farmers were really excited to hear the announcement from Government that the Government of the Second Republic had pegged the producer price of maize at US$242.00 which would be tracking the RTGS interbank rate.  Mr. Speaker, this is very important for our farmers because most of our farmers would not have been able to return to the land had this not been rectified. 

Mr. Speaker Sir, this is also important because maize is our staple product.  It being a staple produce, continuing with a very low price of maize was going to encourage the exporting of our maize to neighbouring countries. So, we welcome this move by the Second Republic.  Over and above that, we are also excited by this new culture of responsiveness and agility  to respond to the issues raised by Hon. Members of this august House by the Executive – [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.] -  This is a new culture that is fast becoming an epitome of the Second Republic and we hail it.

Mr. Speaker Sir, having said that, I think that we also need to move fast especially the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development, to come up with a subsidy policy to ensure that we protect value from our commodities like maize, soya and wheat.  I am saying so because the gap between the producer price of maize and the price that is sold to millers is now a bit big – which is almost RTGS $1 000.00.  This will encourage opportunistic behaviour where some millers may not mill the product but recycle it and resell to the Grain Marketing Board (GMB)  as  a selling product – [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.] -  So, we are calling upon the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development to move fast and come up with a subsidy policy that focuses on paying or crediting subsidies at the point of sale and not at input level.  I thank you.

THE HON. SPEAKER:  Thank you, some of the issues could have come under Question Time.  Let us not be confused about procedure. Some of these issues could have come under Questions Without Notice.  I will now indulge Hon. Mathe, Hon. Labode and Hon. Mliswa – that is the end of the story.  I thank you.

+HON. MATHE: I have observed with sadness the slow pace at which repairs of the Nkayi-Bulawayo road are being done.  They spend the whole day without doing any meaningful work.  You leave them at one place, pass by and find them at the same place on your return irrespective of the fact that motorists who traverse along that road have their vehicles damaged on a daily basis and are at times involved in accidents.  It worries me that this road is not being attended to timeously.  I thank you.  

THE HON. SPEAKER:  Order, order that question could have been posed to the Minister of Transport and Infrastructural Development like, when would the Nkayi road be completed – something like that.  I hope that I will not get the same from Hon. Dr. Labode.

HON. DR. LABODE:  Hon. Speaker Sir, three months ago, I raised a point of privilege here in relation to the Global Fund to the effect that if we as Zimbabwe did not pay our contribution to the Global Fund, we would lose the money which was almost to the tune of $400 million.  Right now, I am coming from a meeting with UNICEF where I learnt that the money has not been paid.

Secondly, we are running out of ARVS and there are some drugs that have totally run out and that is something that we really cannot afford.  We urgently require $7 million to procure those drugs.  The unfortunate thing with ARVS is that if you do not take them for three months, you develop resistance, meaning that now you must go onto a more expensive drug.  So we urgently need to make a move on this.

The team from Geneva came and met with the Hon. Minister of Finance and Economic Development.  He committed himself and they even went back and said that if Zimbabwe can deliver on what they have promised, we will increase their allocation to US$600 million. 

There is also the other issue, Mr. Speaker Sir, the implication of the 2% tax.  The Global Fund is exempted from all forms of taxes from every country that is part of the Global Fund which Zimbabwe is.  This includes this new 2% tax, so the payment of this tax by Global Fund entails that they must stop funding Zimbabwe because when we signed and agreed, we said that it shall not be taxed; it is meant for drugs and for Zimbabweans.  It is for everything else except to increase our revenue.

So I think that right now, a Statutory Instrument is required to give effect to this waiver on the Global Fund.  The Hon. Minister has been met and committed himself to doing it but we need to do it like yesterday.  I thank you.

THE HON. SPEAKER:  Is the Deputy Minister of Health and Child Care in here?  He is not here.  Acting Leader of Government Business, Hon. Gumbo, if you could take up that matter with the Hon. Minister as a matter of urgency please because what I am aware of is that no sooner was the matter raised in this House did the Hon. Minister Prof. Ncube write a letter to say he was definitely going to pay.  We received that letter.  I am surprised that nothing has transpired.  So Hon. Minister Dr. Gumbo, if you could assist us on that urgent matter and the requirement of a Statutory Instrument to have a waiver for late payment.  Thank you.

HON. T. MLISWA:  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir for affording me this opportunity and I think if the Opposition Leader of Government Business is here, I enjoy the same because I happen to be the only one who is more like opposition together with Hon. Matambanadzo and Hon. Misihairabwi, so thank you for according me this opportunity.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I rise on a point of privilege pertaining to an issue which I think Parliament is equally guilty of.  I rose on a point of privilege the last time, on Section 309 (3) on the Auditor General’s report to be tabled here.  In fact, the Audit Office Act actually compels the report to be submitted in this Parliament within seven days.  This is Section 12 (1) of the Audit Office Act. 

THE HON. SPEAKER:  Hon. Member, which audit report are you referring to?

HON. T. MLISWA:  The NSSA Audit Report.  In fact, I do not know if I could read this, Mr. Speaker Sir, Section12 (1) Act of the Audit Office Act.  I think it is very important.

THE HON. SPEAKER:  I am aware of it.

HON. T. MLISWA:  So it compels the Minister within seven working days of Parliament to table the report.  The report has not been tabled for four months.  Not only that, Section12 (2) compels the Auditor General herself to present the report to you and that was not done.  I know in your ruling you said that you gave her time but it is against these two and I do not know where Parliament Counsel was in picking this up because any report from the Auditor General’s Office, one is compelled within seven days of working.  Not only that, Section 12 (2) talks about the Auditor-General presenting before you which has not been done.  So, in the absence of the Minister doing it, you equally have a copy and Parliament has a copy.  So these four months which the report has not been tabled, certainly a lot happens and they are seen on the wrong side of the law in the Act. 

I am upset that the Attorney General who sits in Cabinet and advises Cabinet on legal issues does not pick this in Cabinet.  The Leader of Government Business who is the Minister of Justice, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs does not equally pick this in Cabinet.  So, what information are they giving to the President?  So it means the President is being misinformed even on legal issues, which is quite alarming, quite dangerous.

On the second one, Mr. Speaker Sir, whilst Members of Parliament enjoy tax rebate for their vehicles, I think it is important for this Parliament to explain what sort of vehicle we are entitled to because my understanding on the rebate of the vehicles is cars we can use in the constituencies, not Lamborghinis because a Lamborghini does not get to the constituencies.  Now, what is happening is people are saying Members of Parliament, especially myself, Hon. Mliswa...

THE HON. SPEAKER:  Order, you are allowed only one issue of privilege.

HON. T. MLISWA:  Is the Lamborghini one very sensitive to a point that I cannot talk about it?

THE HON. SPEAKER:  One matter of privilege which you have articulated very well.

HON. T. MLISWA:  This one is in terms of the corruption of us as Members of Parliament in the cars that we are supposed to get as rebate.  Are they luxury vehicles or vehicles that must be used in the constituency?  So your guidance is sort in that regard, Mr. Speaker Sir, on the cars that we must get on the tax rebate – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.]-

THE HON. SPEAKER:  Order.

HON. WADYAJENA:  Haunyare kuita jealous murume mukuru akaita sewe.

HON. T. MLISWA:  Wakaiwana kupi mari yacho, hauna business wakabroker saka wakaiwanakupi mari? –[HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.]-

THE HON. SPEAKER:  Order, order!  On the latter issue, I advise Hon. Mliswa to approach administration and they will look into it.  On the first issue of tabling of audit reports, indeed Section 12 (1) and (2) does compel first the Minister responsible to table the report within seven days, failure of which the Audito- General should table the report through the Speaker of Parliament.  I will engage the Auditor-General to find out why there has been such a delay contrary to the Constitutional provision and the Audit Office Act particularly in terms of Section 12 of that Act.  We should be able to report back by next week if not earlier.

ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE HON. SPEAKER

VISITORS IN THE SPEAKER’S GALLERY

THE HON. SPEAKER:  I would like to acknowledge the presence of Members of the Zimbabwe Children’s Parliament in the Speaker’s Gallery.  Thank you, you are welcome.  Their Parliament is sitting this Saturday at the City Sports Arena.

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

HON. T. MOYO:  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir for according me this opportunity to ask my questions.  I actually have two questions to two Hon. Ministers – [HON. MEMBERS: One.]  Anyway I will choose one.  The question is directed to the Hon. Minister of Environment, Tourism and Hospitality Industry.  How far has the Government put in place policy to harmonise human wildlife conflict in most resort towns in Zimbabwe?  Thank you.

THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY (HON. SEN. MUPFUMIRA):  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  I want to thank the Hon. Member for the question.  We are in the process of coming up with a policy on human and wildlife conflict.  It is a topical issue at the moment and the House might be informed that on 24th and 25th June, we are hosting an AU and UN environment summit on wildlife and human conflict with a view to making sure that we conserve our animals and also protect the humans living with wildlife.  We hope that the recommendations at the end of the summit, which is going to be an international summit in Victoria Falls next week, will come up with other resolutions which we will put into the policy which we are coming up with on wildlife and human conflict.  I thank you.

          Hon. Nduna having stood up to ask a supplementary question

          THE HON. SPEAKER: Hon. Members, the supplementary first goes to the initial questioner.

          HON. T. MOYO: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  To what extend has urbanisation in those small resort towns affected wildlife?

          THE HON. SPEAKER: I am not sure that question arises because it has nothing to do with conflict unless if you have to rephrase it.

          HON. T. MOYO: The issue of co-existence is very important and invaluable, especially considering the relations between wildlife and human beings.  I am saying, there has been a dramatic urbanisation in small towns like Victoria Falls, Kariba and so on.  That has impacted, negatively or positively on wildlife; I want the Hon. Minister to respond to the extent to which wildlife has been affected by urbanisation.

          THE HON. SPEAKER: Is it the wildlife or the conflict?

          HON. SEN. MUPFUMIRA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  The issue of human and wildlife conflict does not matter whether it is in urban or rural area. What we are looking at is how we prevent human and wildlife conflict.  I will be coming shortly with a paper on the elephants because that is where we have an issue.  The amount of elephants compared to what we are able to carry; our carrying capacity is around 50 000 elephants and at the moment we have over 84 000 elephants, which means we have shot our capacity.  As you are aware, the animals require land for feeding and water.  As a result, because we have excess numbers, there is conflict between the humans and the wildlife.  These are some of the issues on why we are hosting the first ever wildlife conflict under the African Union (AU) and the United Nations (UN).

Wherever there has been conflict in certain areas, the department of Parks and Wildlife has been there to assist in making sure that we preserve both the humans and take care of the wildlife.  It does not matter whether it is in urban or rural areas, what we are talking about is the human-wildlife conflict wherever it is.  We are doing our best to make sure we prevent the conflict and make sure that there is co-existence.  We will be re-launching the Communal Areas Management Programme for Indigenous Resources (CAMPFIRE) Project because that is one of the projects which manages such issues as human and wildlife conflict.  We need to co-exist and give each other space and that is work in progress and we are proud that we are going to host the first ever such summit in Victoria Falls.

HON. NDUNA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  There was a delegation of Parliamentarians from Namibia in the Eighth Parliament who came through.  In particular, they spoke of the human- wildlife conflict to the extent that they provide compensation that sums to N$20 000 for somebody who might be bereaved and N$15 000 for someone who might have been injured…

THE HON. SPEAKER: Question please.

HON. NDUNA: Therefore Mr. Speaker, my question is, have you also put in figures in terms of compensating those who might have been killed during human-wildlife conflict or those who might have been injured during such conflicts…

Hon. Nduna having been addressing the gallery.

THE HON. SPEAKER: Look at the Chair.

HON. NDUNA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, but I was looking at the Hon. Minister.  She is wearing clothes that are very colourful – [Laughter.] – so, I was tempted Mr. Speaker Sir – [Laughter.] – to look at her.  I hope that it does not take any shiny from your beautiful Chair Mr. Speaker Sir – [Laughter.] –

THE HON. SPEAKER: Hon. Nduna, I hope you have been mesmerised positively.

HON. SEN. MUPFUMIRA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  I want to thank the Hon. Member for the comment.  I would like to inform the House that Zimbabwe is part of the Kavango Zambezi Transfrontier Conservation Area (KAZA TFC).  That includes Namibia, which he is referring to, Angola, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Botswana.  We are in the process of coming up with a common position on how to handle such issues of compensation.  At the moment, we do not have a compensation strategy, we are looking at it.  We are looking into these issues next week at the summit.  In the whole world, KAZA has over 60% of the total world’s population of elephants.  Most of the challenges we are having Mr. Speaker Sir, are from the elephants and we are looking at how we can have a common position.  I am sure it is one of the issues we will be discussing with my colleagues on the sidelines of the summit.  I thank you.

HON. CHOMBO: Thank you Mr. Speaker.  The Hon. Minister said if there is a conflict between animals and human beings, there is way the National Parks and Wildlife will come and assist.  We have had an outcry in the country where we have approached National Parks and Wildlife and they have not responded.  Is there any other means to fall back on where citizens can get assistance when they fail to get assistance from the National Parks and Wildlife?

HON. SEN. MUPFUMIRA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  I would like to thank the Hon. Member for the question.  It is not policy but let me respond to issues of human and wildlife conflict.  Whenever we get to hear about that, the National Parks personnel will definitely attend to the issues.  If there is a specific issue, perhaps it should be brought to the attention of the Director of Parks or to the Ministry.  If it is a matter of people not doing what they are supposed to do, it would be dealt with.  However, as far as I know, we attend to all issues. 

Mr. Speaker Sir, I might even inform you that over the weekend, I was in Buhera in Hon. Chinotimba’s Constituency and some of the issues we were talking about are the very issues we are talking about at the moment.  We do attend when called and the member should feel free to contact even the Minister’s office if they think National Parks is not attending to them, but it is the first time I am hearing about it and I need to be furnished with further details so that I can look into it and make sure we deal with that but we are there to protect the humans and wild life.  I thank you Hon. Speaker.

          HON. MUSIKAVANHU: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Energy and Power Development. What is Government policy on large scale harnessing of solar energy on to the national grid, in view of the adverse impact of the current prolonged blackouts on irrigation, industrial and domestic needs for energy. I thank you.

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ENERGY AND POWER DEVELOPMENT (HON. MUDYIWA): Thank you Mr. Speaker.  I would like to thank the Hon. Member for asking such a pertinent question.  Solar energy falls under renewable energy and we have got a policy on renewable energy which will be published very soon.  We are encouraging as many people and investors as possible who want to invest energy so that we can add on to our grid wherever possible, particularly now that we are experiencing this shortage of electricity during the day.  We have got plenty of sunshine in Zimbabwe and investing in solar energy will help us as a country to alleviate the shortages that we are experiencing on solar energy. 

          What happens is that we have so many investors, some who are foreign and some within the country.  As long as they have their funds to set up the solar plants, we will assist them to get the land if they do not have the land where they want to set up the solar plant system.  We will also try as much as possible to expedite the process where they are supposed to go to ZERA for licencing and they are also supposed to hold discussions with ZETDC for the tariffs. Once that is agreed and everything is above board; we also have the EMA to make sure that the environmental impact assessment is done. Then if ZETDC can add on to that grid they have to make that assessment whether it is possible to add their electricity on to the grid and once that is done, we welcome such investors.  So, our policy is that we are encouraging the investment in solar as much as possible. I thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.

          HON. MUSIKAVANHU: Thank you very much Deputy Minister for indicating that we do have a policy to encourage investment in solar energy.  However, Mr. Speaker Sir, we do have a project that I understand ZESA had undertaken to carry out in Gwanda on solar energy and to the best of my knowledge that project has not gone anywhere.  Will the Deputy Minister please elaborate on what ZESA is doing about that particular project, which in my view could actually set the tone for other investors to come in because we desperately need solar energy?

          HON. MUDYIWA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  The solar project in Gwanda, I am sure you are aware that the investor who was supposed to undertake that project by the name Chivhayo did not perform according to the agreement and as was expected.  I am sure we are all aware that the matter went to court and the results from the court were that he won the case.  ZESA and the Ministry are not pleased with what happened at Gwanda and we are at the moment making efforts to see how best we can revive that project because that project was supposed to give us 100 megawatts to add on to our national grid but that has never been the case.  The matter is still within the courts because the ZETDC have appealed against the judgment that was passed by the courts,  so the matter is still with the courts.

          HON. T. MLISWA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, my question to the Hon. Deputy Minister is - is there a policy on solar? When I was Chairperson of the Committee there was no policy on solar and if there is no policy on solar, how can she reassure this energy..

          THE HON. SPEAKER: Solar energy.

          HON. T. MLISWA: Solar energy. That they will be implementation because the policy is what guides you and timeframes are important.  The time that they have been talking about solar, by now with all this energy problem, it would not have been there if there was a policy and implementation.  Do they have a policy on solar energy?

          HON. MUDYIWA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, I also want to thank the Hon. Member for the question. I think I mentioned earlier on that solar is part of renewable energy.  We have a policy on renewable energy which has been drafted and it is almost through and very soon it will be published.  Solar is part of renewable energy.  I cannot say there is a standalone policy particularly for solar - it falls under renewable energy so there is policy on solar.  

          +HON. MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA: Thank you Mr. Speaker.  My question is directed to the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage. The President was in Matabeleland, did you hear me Minister, can somebody help him.

          THE HON. SPEAKER: Help him in English.

          HON MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA: He should learn, I started doing that also. Hon. Minister of Home Affairs - about a month ago His Excellency was in Matabeleland and spoke on issues of exhumations and reburials in relation to people who died during the Gukurahundi issue. Do you now have a clear policy on what people or families that want to do that reburial should do in order to actually do a reburial that is legal in the framework of what Home Affairs wants?

          THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO): Thank you very much Mr. Speaker. The Hon. Member’s question is very important, but I want to inform the House that we do not have a specific policy on how it has to be done. That is a matter which is still under consultation. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

          HON. MISIHAIRABWI-MUSHONGA:  Perhaps the Hon. Minister could advise us at what point or how long should people be waiting, because am I understanding you that you are saying for the time being reburials for people who died during gukurahundi have to wait until you have clarity on policy.  If that is the case, then perhaps you could give an indication if people should be planning because people are planning to do the reburials.  His Excellency was clear it should be happening and you do apply to Home Affairs.  So can you be clear, have you now stopped exhumations and if I want to do a reburial next week, I cannot do it because there is no policy?  If that is your position then indicate to us at what point people can start doing formal exhumations and reburials.

          HON. MADIRO:  The Hon. Member should be informed that this is a matter which is being considered by the Commission which has been put in place to come up with the programme and policy on reburials.  So until such a time that the Commission finishes its brief, then no one should be able to exhume and rebury - unless it is done according to the law.  Otherwise at the moment it cannot be done on private basis.  It has to wait for the Commission to do its work and upon reporting then reburials can be done.

          THE HON. SPEAKER:  Young Parliamentarians, you are running away before we acknowledge you.  Sit down.  I hope you are the last group.  We had the first group of our young Parliamentarians and this is the second batch and I am sure it is the last one to appear in the Speaker’s Gallery.  You are welcome.  Thank you.

          HON. MADZIMURE:  My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Home Affairs.  What is the Government policy regarding people who have gone missing for too long?  I am referring to the issue of a person whom we all know – Itai Dzamara.  When will Government decide to declare him a dead person so that the matter is brought to closure or you are still investigating his disappearance? 

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (HON. MADIRO):  The Hon. Member has asked a specific question. I indulge the Hon. Member to put it in writing so that we can be able to respond.

          THE HON. SPEAKER:  That was a specific question and it should come by way of a written question.  It is not national policy.

          HON. NDUNA: My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Home Affairs.  What is Government policy relating as it is enshrined on Section 3 of the Constitution that speaks to the recognition of the war of umvukela and those that went to war for the liberation of this country.  What is Government policy on reburial and sprucing up of war shrines for those that were buried in neighbouring countries and our own country?  Aware Mr. Speaker that this is what might in some instance be making sure that we have no rains in our country because we have not fully honoured those that lie in foreign lands in war shrines.

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (HON. MADIRO):  The Hon. Member has asked a very important question.  As you are aware, our independence was as a result of the sacrifice of the sons and daughters of Zimbabwe.  Many died during the war and up to this point-in-time there are many that are still lying in the caves and have not been properly reburied.  Yes, it is one of the key values of our Constitution that the people of Zimbabwe and State Institutions should respect and recognise the heroes of the armed struggle.  The policy of Government is that the reburials are a continuous process where the fallen heroes have been identified throughout the country and outside the country.  Reburials will be done but it has to be understood that any reburials must be done following the law.  It is not upon individuals and private individuals to conduct reburials.  It has to be done following the law.  As far as the keeping up of the various shrines inside and outside the country, it is the responsibility and policy of Government to ensure that those shrines are kept in good condition and stead.  Once again given resources, this is a continuous process in terms of constructing and sprucing up the various shrines within and outside the country.  I thank you.

          HON. NDUNA:  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, I also want to thank the Hon. Minister for a well-rounded response.  However Mr. Speaker Sir, my follow-up is that I am alive to a scenario where England or Britain and her allies in the European Union have to some extent helped in terms of removing land mines in Manicaland and the eastern highlands …

          THE HON. SPEAKER:  Order, order Hon. Member, you are a very seasoned Member of Parliament.  Why do you not simply ask a supplementary question?

          HON. NDUNA:  My follow-up question is as follows Mr. Speaker Sir, I was just introducing it.  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  Is there any assistance coming in from the European Union and her allies in relation to reburial and the sprucing up of our war shrines seeing that they are the ones who had more to do with the demise of our fallen heroes?

          THE HON. SPEAKER:  Did you say the European Union?

          HON. NDUNA:  Yes, Mr. Speaker Sir, that is Britain and her allies.  Are they putting in any resources in terms of sprucing up our war shines and maybe also the reburial processes?

          THE HON. SPEAKER:  Well, may I save you Hon. Minister?  This is a national issue and not an international issue.  Secondly, the matter of money rests with us here in Parliament that we pass a budget that will take care of the sprucing up of all the areas where our heroes lay.  So it is our responsibility and we cannot internationalise our responsibility as a matter of fact.  – [HON. MLISWA:  Supplementary Mr. Speaker Sir!] – May you allow me to hand-over please.

          HON. T. MLISWA:  My supplementary question to the Deputy Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage is that the issue at hand is a priority and of national interest.  Do you have a budget for it?  Most Ministers seem to answer without having a budget.  If you do not have a budget, it cannot be implemented.  So is there a budget for this important event of the country?

          HON. MADIRO:  Thank you very much Madam Speaker.  In response to Hon. Mliswa’s question, though it is not a direct issue, I have already answered that.  This is a continuous process given resources from Government then the reburials and sprucing up of the various shrines will be done to the satisfaction of the people of Zimbabwe.

          I want to reiterate that it is a continuous process and Government has got a policy to make sure that the shrines are in a good state.  I thank you.

HON. T. MLISWA:  Madam Speaker, on a point of clarity.  The

Deputy Minister has been asked a simple question that, is there a budget for that?   This is a very important event in the country and if there is no budget, it will not happen.  So, we are tired of Ministers responding and saying that this will happen when there is no budget.  In presenting a budget to this Parliament, did you also put that aside?  If you did not, just say that you did not so that we know Hon. Minister.  You are a seasoned parliamentarian, so be honest. Muri saManyika komavekuda kutonyeba munoumu, budget iripo here hatidi kunyeberana?

HON. MADIRO:  Thank you very much Madam Speaker, my

response is that of policy.  Government will avail resources for that purpose – [HON. T. MLISWA:  Is there any budget?  It is the Minister of Finance and Economic Development who can say that!] – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.] – [HON. T. MLISWA:  Hatidi kunyeberwa tirikuda kunzwa, we are adults and we want to know.  It is the Minister of Finance and Economic Development who must be saying that, hamuna mari yacho!] –

Madam Speaker Sir, my direct response to the Hon. Member is

that... – [HON. T. MLISWA: It is Madam Speaker ma’am not Sir!] –

THE HON DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Hon. Mliswa, order

Please!

HON. MADIRO:  With due respect Madam Speaker, the budget

is there under Monuments and I wanted to give to the Hon. Member through you Madam Speaker that – [HON. T. MLISWA: Wavekuda kunyeba manje, hatisi kuda kunyeberwa. Sekuru Gumbo vave kukubatsira manje.   Madam Speaker, so I withdraw the question!] –

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Order, please resume

your seat Hon. Mliswa – [HON. T. MLISWA:  I withdraw the question Hon. Speaker, there are more important questions to be answered!] -  Hon. Mliswa, if you continue with that attitude, I will send you out.

HON. MADIRO:  Madam Speaker, I think that with due respect, I

have responded to the Hon. Member, that Government policy is to ensure that the shrines are in good condition and it is a continuous process.  Given the specific question of whether there is a budgetary allocation for that purpose, yes it is there under the Monuments budget.  I thank you.

*HON. PARADZA:  Madam Speaker, still on that note, I wanted

to find out from the Deputy Minister whether the Government  has any plans to have notifications at assembly points where the provincial heroes were interred so that school children who go on tours can identify the areas where the liberation fighters came through?  I have been on tours in other countries and noticed that there are such signs and boards that inform tourists that this is where liberation fighters are.

*HON. MADIRO: Thank you Madam Speaker.  In response to the question that was raised by the Hon. Member if the Government has such measures in place and it is ongoing.  I also want to say that the Hon. Deputy Minister of Defence and War Veterans should come through you, Madam Speaker, to address this issue because he is the leader of the war veterans.  So, through you Madam Speaker and with your permission, that is my request.  I thank you.

*THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENCE AND WAR VETERANS (HON. MATEMADANDA):  Thank you Madam Speaker.  Let me first start by clarifying where we have come from.  The issue of burials or reburials is done by the Ministry of Home Affairs but on the issue of maintenance of graves and the heroes’ areas, it is done by the Department of War Veterans, and Environment and Tourism together with the Department of National Monuments and Museums. 

The question was - is anything being done?  Yes, something is being done, for example we are planning to go to Mozambique for the opening of buildings where Hon. Tongogara died.  We also have plans to have buildings and signs in areas where battles were held as well as places where the freedom fighters assembled.  The challenge that we have is that the funds are limited.  With money everything will be in place, but we have plans to do such work.  I thank you.

*HON. MUDARIKWA:  Thank you Madam Speaker.  I wanted to ask if the Hon. Minister could inform the House of when the remains of Chingaira and Mashayamombe that are in Britain will be brought back home.

* THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (HON. MADIRO):  Thank you Madam Speaker.  On the programme to ensure that our freedom fighters and heroes who were guillotined such as Chingaira and others, currently talks are underway between the Government of Zimbabwe and Britain so that their bodies can be repatriated.  This is an issue that is under discussion at the moment so that both governments come to an agreement, the Government of Zimbabwe and the British Government, but I am hoping that in a short while this will be done and our heroes will be brought back home.  I thank you.

HON. P. CHIDHAKWA:  Thank you very much Madam Speaker.  My question is directed to the Minster of Primary and Secondary Education.  Policy states that for a secondary school to be established there is need for 26 hectares of land.  Now, given that mostly in the resettlement areas there is a shortage of land, can the Ministry relook at that policy that we have got an option of building upwards so that we can establish secondary schools in resettlement areas where students are walking up to 20km a day to get secondary education?  Thank you Madam Speaker.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION (HON. E. MOYO):  In the establishment of schools, the policy is that land must be provided by the responsible authority and in the case of secondary schools it is 24 hectares.  So, in the planning of any settlement there has to be land set aside for the establishment of schools and other recreation facilities and in the case of a secondary school it is 24 hectares.

HON. P. CHIDHAKWA:  Thank you very much Madam Speaker. During the fast track Land Reform Programme at times there was an omission, whether by omission or commission, of leaving 24 hectares for secondary schools.  I am saying given that situation whereby it has already been done, the land has been allocated but we still have got small patches of land, can we not change the policy, twist it a bit now that we can build upwards?  This was not planned, it was fast track land reform.

HON. E. MOYO:  Thank you Madam Speaker.  The issue of land is a topical issue in the country.  Therefore, the encouragement these days is that we conserve and be efficient on the use of land by building upwards in the event that such land is not available, but then where resources are hard to come by for the construction of schools going upwards, I think some other innovative ways suggested could be taken up.  I thank you.

HON. MUTAMBISI:  My question is directed to the Leader of the House.  What is Government policy with regards to empowerment of the Zimbabwe Anti-Corruption Commission with powers of arrest and seizure of documents without going through the Zimbabwe Republic Police?  I thank you.

THE MINISTER OF HIGHER AND TERTIARY EDUCATION SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT (HON. PROF. MURWIRA):  Thank you Madam Speaker.  I would like to thank the Hon. Member for the question.  I think the issue basically is that Government policy on corruption is anti-corruption.  Therefore, the specific powers of the Anti-Corruption Commission are set out within the Act.  However, I cannot say specific things about that Madam Speaker, but the Government policy on corruption is anti-corruption.  I thank you.

*HON. MATAMBANADZO:  Thank you Madam Speaker.  My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Energy and Power Development.  I would like to ask the Hon. Minister what is the policy regarding the shortage of electricity, load-shedding and the unplanned load-shedding?  I wanted to ask what the Ministry is doing regarding that issue and how far they have gone in addressing the issue?  There is no electricity and you discover that power stations like the Kariba Hydropower is the only one with electricity at the moment, other power stations like Bulawayo and Hwange are not functioning properly.  Why is there a shortage of electricity, is it because of shortage of water at the Kariba Power Station or it is because of unqualified staff at the power stations?

          *THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ENERGY AND POWER DEVELOPMENT (HON. MUDYIWA): Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.  I would like to thank Hon. Matambanadzo for his question.  His question is pertinent.  The first thing that I would like to say is that, it is not true that Zimbabwe is in darkness, the nation is not in darkness but the challenge is that we do not have enough electricity to cater for our country for 24 hours a day and seven days a week or throughout the day.  This has affected the domestic and industrial use of electricity and culminated to the introduction of load-shedding schedules, especially during peak hours, from 6am to 10pm and from 6pm to 10pm.  These are the time frames which require a lot of electricity.

          He mentioned the reasons, yes, the Hon. Member knows that the water level or water table at Kariba Dam is critically low.  In Hwange, there are supposed to be six units at any given time, however, only five units are working.  The other units are not working properly. They need to be refurbished; for example, today, there are only three units that are working at the Hwange Thermal Station.  For that reason, we have increased load-shedding in many places.  However, it does not mean that all these places are in darkness, it is not true that they are in darkness.  We are trying our best to make sure that we utilise the energy that we have sustainably, especially in commercial farms, where producers of wheat are irrigating their crop right now.  What I wanted to clarify is that, the nation is not in darkness.  Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.

          *HON. MATAMBANADZO: Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am for allowing me to ask a supplementary question.  May be you can say Hon. Minister, that I am not observant.  I am not a representative of a rural area; I represent an urban area in the National Assembly.  I have noticed that the load-shedding schedule in my area sometimes goes on for 12 hours or more.  I am not crazy Hon. Minister. 

          Madam Speaker, I asked this question because I noticed that ZESA dismissed a lot of qualified people.  Looking at ZISCO Steel, the same thing happened.  My point is that, we do not have to change management continuously.  ZISCO Steel changed management and this resulted in the deterioration of service delivery, the company has a tendency of letting off qualified managers.  ZESA did the same thing and fired a qualified engineer and this resulted in the deterioration of service delivery.

          However, after re-engaging the same qualified engineer, ZESA operations improved. That is why I am asking whether the firing and hiring of qualified people is affecting service delivery in the provision of energy in the country.  Right now we are not getting electricity from South Africa and Mozambique because we owe these countries. 

          HON. MUDYIWA: Thank you Madam Speaker.  I would like to request that the Hon. Member clarify his question instead of mixing up issues.  He should be specific in asking his question.

          HON. CHIKUDO: Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.  My question is directed to the Minister of Home Affairs.  What is Government Policy with regards to the conferment or determination of National Hero status?  Thank you Madam Speaker.

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (HON. MADIRO): Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.  I am advised by my colleague that the question was responded to.  Thank you very much – [HON. MLISWA: Madam Speaker, that is hearsay, how can you say…] – [HON. MEMBERS: Haaa!] – [HON. T. MLISWA: That is hearsay…] –

          *THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order Hon. Mliswa, the question was once asked and responded to.

Hon. Mliswa mubzunzo wakambobvunzwa ukapindurwa.

*HON. CHIKOMBA: Thank you Madam Speaker.  Please protect me Madam Speaker.  My question is directed to the Minister of Local Government, Public Works and National Housing, in his absence, the Leader of the House.  What is Government doing concerning incoming investors where councils are charging a lot of money and investors end up going back?  The council charges are reasonable and after the investor has agreed and settled then they will then charge high amounts?

THE MINISTER OF HIGHER AND TERTIARY EDUCATION, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT (HON. PROF. MURWIRA) on behalf of THE MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND NATIONAL HOUSING (HON. J. MOYO): Thank you Madam Speaker. I want to thank the Hon. Member for the question concern companies that come and are charged a lot of money by councils for them to set up investments in Zimbabwe.  This question seems to be implying that the councils are engaging in corruption.  Government policy is one of anti-corruption so if there is evidence of people who have done this and are known to have charged exorbitant fees, we request the Hon. Member to give us the evidence so that we can take it up.  Our policy is that there should be no corruption and we do not condone corruption.

*HON. CHIKOMBA: Where is this policy derived from because there is someone who posed the same question and the question was not properly responded to?  Where exactly is this policy and on which Act.

HON. PROF. MURWIRA: Thank you Madam Speaker. I believe that in our Constitution which is the supreme law of the land, there is an Anti-Corruption Commission, the mandate of this Commission is to fight corruption.  This is corruption if this is happening and this is the policy and laws that we are talking about.  I thank you Madam Speaker.

HON. HOUGHTON: Thank you Madam Speaker. My question goes to the Minister of Health and Child Care, in his absence to the Acting Leader of the House.  My question is to do with availability of drugs in hospitals and clinics and specifically the rabies vaccine. My constituency seems to be quite prevalent of rabies and people are having to acquire drugs in Karoi at a cost of $550 for the initial treatment and then $275 for the two additional treatments, bringing the total to $1100.  Now, my question to the Minister is, can he avail the anti-rabies vaccines in rural district hospitals and clinics in order that these people do not have to rely on collecting the vaccines from Karoi which is 200km away after having tried to raise that money.   The treatment is very urgent and these delays are putting their lives in danger.  I thank you Madam Speaker.

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. Member, please may you come again raise your voice.

HON. HOUGHTON: Thank you Madam Speaker – [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections.] – Madam Speaker, my question goes to the Acting Leader of the Government Business and it relates to...

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order Hon. Members.

HON. HOUGHTON: Thank you Madam Speaker.  My question is, due to the high prevalence of rabies in my district;  I ask the relevant Minister to please avail anti-rabies vaccines in rural hospitals and clinics in order that people can access the drugs timeously and at reasonable cost.

THE MINISTER OF HIGHER AND TERTIARY EDUCATION, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT (HON. PROF. MURWIRA) on behalf of THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND CHILD CARE (HON. O. MOYO): Hon. Speaker, I wish to thank the Hon. Member for – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.] –

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order Hon. Members.

HON. PROF. MURWIRA: Thank you Hon. Speaker.  My understanding of the question is the lack of rabies vaccine. That is a very specific question; our policy is that vaccines should be available if it is a policy question.  As to the stocks, that is a very specific question and we believe that we can have that in writing so that we can avail the exact amounts and distribution, geographically, of these vaccines. I thank you.

HON. CHOMBO: On a point of clarity Madam Speaker.

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is your point of clarity?

HON. CHOMBO: I would like to know what Hon. Houghton is putting on his ear?  Is it a hearing aid or a recorder? – [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections.] -

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. Member please can you bring your gadget which you are putting on your ear – [AN HON. MEMBER: It is a hearing aid.] - Okay Hon. Chombo, it is a hearing aid.

HON. CHOMBO: Okay, thank you Madam Speaker.

HON. HOUGHTON: Madam Speaker, it is a parliamentary headset because I have hearing problems. 

HON. MUSHORIWA: Madam Chair, I think this is an abuse of Hon. Members - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections.] - A member who does not even stand up to ask questions cannot abuse another ordinary member who is using a gadget presented to him by Parliament, it is wrong.

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. Member, take your seat. There is no point of order.

HON. MUSHORIWA: It is wrong Hon. Speaker, she should ask questions – [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections.] –

HON. SINGO: Thank you Madam Speaker – [HON. KWARAMBA: Inaudible interjections.] –

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, Hon. Kwaramba, order.

HON. SINGO: Thank you Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Leader of the House.  What is the Government policy in recruiting members in Government institutions, especially when there is a vacancy in a certain area?  I thank you.

          THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND POWER DEVELOPMENT (HON. PROF. MURWIRA):  Thank you Hon Speaker Ma’am. I wish to thank the Hon. Member for that question.  When the Government is recruiting members into the civil service, or whatever service, it is based on the requirements of the job and the qualifications that are required for that job.  I thank you. 

HON. SINGO: But that is not happening on the ground Hon. Minister.  Locals with qualifications are being denied access, especially with ZINARA.  We have seen it happening and they bring people in certain areas.

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. Nsingo, that is a specific question, please may you put it in writing.

          *HON. KACHEPA: Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.  My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Defence, Hon. Matemadanda.  What is the Government doing in demining along the border lying areas because this is affecting people and also domestic animals?

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENCE (HON. MATEMADANDA):  Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.  The Government policy is that all areas which are mine infested, Government normally demines these areas.  If there is any specific area that the Hon. Member knows, then he should bring it to our attention, but the issue is that the demining process was done in all the borders.  However, there are some land mines that were planted by people and I would suggest that any community which identifies these landmines should bring this to the attention of the relevant Ministry.

          Demining is an expensive exercise.  However, the law is clear that demining should be done in all border lying areas.

          *HON. KACHEPA: Thank you Hon. Minister.  I come from Mudzi in the peripherals of the Mudzi area.  We have a lot of landmines.  Local people sometimes cross going to Mozambique and Mozambicans also cross coming into Zimbabwe.  What should people do if they discover that there are landmines in these particular areas?

          HON. MATEMADANDA:  Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.  I would like to thank the Hon. Member for that supplementary question.  There was a lot of noise and I think he was asking whether there are any awareness programmes which are meant to educate people.

          *THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Hon. Kachepa would you repeat your question. 

          *HON. KACHEPA:  I am saying Hon. Minister – is there any specific budget or funding towards educating people regarding demining in these outlying areas?

          *HON. MATEMADANDA:  I think I was correct Madam Speaker Ma’am that he is speaking about awareness issues.  These issues are done but I would like to assist the Hon. Member looking at his age, I think when the first and second awareness programmes were done, he was young.  But, the point is that, awareness should be an ongoing process so that all age groups are aware of these demining exercises and also on how they can deal with these issues. 

In my own understanding, even the United Nations at one point intervened in these demining programmes.  I am aware of certain areas which benefited from the demining exercise.  As I am speaking, in any given country which went through a period of war, there will always be hidden landmines which are found in different areas.  These landmines normally are hidden underground.  So, you will discover that there will always be landmines in these areas.

          *HON. NDUNA: Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.  My supplementary question is that as the Hon. Minister mentioned that the United Nations at one point was involved in demining, is there any future plan for the United Nations to come back and to continue with the demining exercise, especially considering that these landmines were put during the liberation struggle by the imperialists.  Is there any plan for any future demining exercise? 

          *HON. MATEMADANDA: Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.  I would like to thank Hon. Nduna for the supplementary question but, the truth is that, as Zimbabwe, we cannot know the plans that the United Nations has towards the nation.  We can plan for reengagement and we do not know their specific programmes but we believe that since our relationship is improving with these international organizations - however, I will address the question.  If the question is written, we can direct it to the Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Trade so that he can get back to us after engaging his counterparts.

As the Ministry of Defence, we do not interfere in the operations of the United Nations. Thank you.

                   Questions Without Notice were interrupted by THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER in terms of Standing Order No. 64.

ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER

BURIAL ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE LATE HON. VIMBAI TSVANGIRAI-JAVA

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have to inform the House of the funeral arrangements of the late Hon. Vimbai Tsvangirayi-Java on 13th June, 2019. The church service will be held at 0900 hours at the City Sports Stadium, then depart at 1330 hours to the Glen Forest Cemetery for burial at 1430 hours.

          ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WITH NOTICE

ESTABLISHMENT OF A VOCATIONAL TRAINING CENTRE IN MHANGURA CONSTITUENCY

          41.  HON. MASANGO asked the Minister of Youth, Sport, Arts and Recreation to state when a Vocational Training Centre would be established in Mhangura Constituency.

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY AND COURIER SERVICES (HON. KAZEMBE) on behalf of THE MINISTER OF YOUTH, SPORT, ARTS AND

RECREATION (HON. COVENTRY): Madam Speaker, I would like to thank the Hon. Member for such a very important question. As part of its youth development and entrepreneurship skills development programme, the Ministry of Youth, Sport, Arts and Recreation currently administers 72 Vocational Training Centres (VTCs) of which 51 are fully established while 21 are still to be developed on vacant land that has been allocated by local authorities after engagement by my Ministry. The aim is to have at least one Vocational Training Centre in each district in order to increase opportunities for entrepreneurial skills training and employment creation for the youth.

          In Mashonaland West Province, there are eight Vocational Training Centres established in six of the seven districts as follows:

DISTRICT

VTCS ESTABLISHED

Hurungwe

Magunje

Makonde

Chinhoyi Urban

Zvimba

Murombedzi

Mt Hampden

Chegutu

Mashayamombe

Norton

Sanyati

Kadoma

Mhondoro/Ngezi

Mamina

Kariba

No VTC established yet, however RDC allocated sites at Mola and Makande

 

          With respect to the establishment of a VTC in Mhangura Constituency, the Ministry approached Makonde RDC and was allocated a site and facilities at Umboe Centre and efforts are currently underway to mobilise the necessary financial, material and human resources to commence training programmes.  The centre will initially operate as a satellite of Chinhoyi Urban VTC.

          HON. GABBUZA: The Ministry’s policy is to establish at least one VTC in every district and in some areas they are failing to get land but how about in areas where the infrastructure is already there like at disused mines in Kamativi, Binga? The infrastructure is there but nothing is happening. What could be the challenge?

          HON. KAZEMBE: I want to thank the Hon. Member for the supplementary question. It is very desirable that where we have such premises, we will be very much happy to engage the authorities to see how best we can utilise those because some of those are owned by mines or local councils.  We are more than happy as a Ministry to engage the respective authorities to see if we can use those facilities. I thank you.

MEASURES TO IMPROVE LIVING CONDITIONS OF ZRP STAFF AT BUCHWA POLICE STATION

44. HON. RAIDZA asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to explain measures being taken to improve the living conditions of the ZRP staff at Buchwa Police Station.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO): The Zimbabwe Republic Police is concerned with the welfare and morale of its members stationed all over the country. The living conditions of police officers in some of the establishments are indeed dire. With specific reference to Buchwa Police Station, it must be noted that the Zimbabwe Republic Police took over the dilapidated infrastructure of a disused mine and converted it to a station and residential police camp.  The specific challenges facing Buchwa police are as follows:

          Accommodation – the infrastructure at Buchwa is now dilapidated. Currently, there are 376 housing units against 985 police officers deployed to Support Unit, Duty Uniform Branch station, National Training Centre and Sub-Aqua. Some of the houses had their roofs blown off even before the recent cyclone. The organisation is still engaging Treasury to come up with funds to repair the damaged roofs.

          On electricity, the supply is a challenge in Buchwa following the breakdown of a transformer.  A quotation of $11 000.00 was obtained from ZESA to fix the transformer and now awaits payment from Ministry of Finance.

          On water - there are four boreholes that were sunk to supply Buchwa Police Camp with clean water.  However, only two boreholes are currently working as the other two are down.  Water shortages have also resulted in the blockage of the sewer system.  The water supply sewer system is still being looked into by ZRP Construction Unit. 

          On communication – there is also a serious challenge of the communication at Buchwa as there are no landlines due to vandalism by wild animals.  All communication is done through cell phones.  However, the available networks also offer poor coverage.  One is sometimes forced to climb up the mountain just to make a phone call.  The ZRP Command has since engaged TelOne who suggested the use of V-sat technology which involves the installation of boosters, codeless telephones and is expensive. 

          With regards to motor vehicles; like any other police station, Buchwa is also crippled in its operation due to lack of motor vehicles.  The station was issued with a Toyota pick-up truck recently which is not enough to cater for all the station’s operational requirements.  The station will be considered once more vehicles are availed to the police.

          The Zimbabwe Republic Police continue to lobby Treasury for consideration to ameliorate challenges facing the organisation.  I thank you.

CONVERSION OF PENSION SAVINGS INTO EQUITY

46.   HON. A. MPOFU asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to inform the House on the Ministry’s plans to provide adequate accommodation to police officers at Mataga Police Station in Mberengwa.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO): It is my Ministry’s wish for all police officers to have decent accommodation which does not compromise their professionalism, integrity and morale.  For the record, Mataga Police Station in Mberengwa has strength of forty six (46) police officers against an accommodation availability of one married quarters currently occupied by the Office in Charge and eighteen (18) single rooms also occupied by married couples.  Twenty seven police officers are lodging at the local growth point.  My Ministry is seized with the accommodation requirements of police officers and is in constant discussions with the Commissioner General Police on how to ameliorate the situation.  The Commissioner General Police is also working flat out to source and encourage police officers to acquire personal residential stands to build houses for their families as they prepare for the life after retirement. 

Let me also make it clear that Government through the relevant Ministry is considering the plight of police officers, not only at Mataga police station but throughout the country.

*HON. NYAMUDEZA: Thank you Madam Speaker.  I want to find out whether there is a recommendation that police officers get their own houses.  What is the Government doing regarding the issue after giving them stands? What do you do as a Ministry?

HON. MADIRO: Thank you Madam Speaker.  I would like to thank the Hon. Member for asking that question.  It is true that our police officers can be moved around anytime, changing their work stations.  When we spoke about private residential stands, we were bearing in mind that once someone has been employed there will come a time of retirement.  Having taken that into cognisance that upon retirement they will need to have their own accommodation, hence they should prepare whilst still on employment instead of suffering upon retirement.  The issue of where they will stay after being relocated to different areas, they can rent accommodation from their colleagues.

HON. T. MLISWA: Minister, the whole point of police officers being in the same camp is that in the event that there is a problem, they are easily called to duty.  Now we have a situation where you have police officers who are renting all over and where there is an emergency, some of them you will not get them, it would be very difficult to assemble them at once.  What has the Government done from a national point of view to ensure that the accommodation of the officers is done?  Is there any accommodation allowances whereby with the current situation, they are able to be supported.

 Finally, there was the issue on social media, I do not know whether it is true or not, on the police in Victoria Falls who went and camped at the Victoria Falls police station because of these accommodation problems.  That is just a tip of the ice berg; how do you intend to bring about measures which will deal with that problem because the credibility of the officers right now is not exactly respected because of lack of accommodation?  I do not know if you can further elaborate on that.  I thank you.

HON. MADIRO: The Hon. Member has asked very pertinent questions.  With regards to the last part of the question, of members of the force being scattered all over and when required need to be mobilized; it is true that as a matter of operational policy, the Ministry and Government is approaching it in two ways.  Where we are talking of private residents it is with respect when retiring.  However, with respect to operational efficiency and convenience, the Government and Ministry is focusing on institutional accommodation which is situated at the police camps. We recognise that important observation and the Ministry is taking care of that to pursue institutional accommodation.

With regards to the issue of housing allowances, you are aware of the inflationary environment we are in and the Ministry as with all civil servants is also urging the Government to re-look at the allowances and salaries for our forces so that it is adequate to care on such requirements. I thank you

ZRP BOUNDARIES FOR CLEARING LIVESTOCK

47.   HON. MAYIHLOME asked the Minister of Home affairs and Cultural Heritage to explain why the Police insist on the ZRP boundaries for clearing livestock instead of making use of nearest police stations.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO):   Thank you Madam Speaker.  Stock theft is one of the crimes of concern to the Zimbabwe Republic Police, which needs to be handled diligently as it has serious repercussions to the economy if left unchecked.  The reason why police insist on boundaries when clearing stock is for accountability, to curb corruption and quickly investigate reported cases.  Police need to maintain accurate statistics of livestock kept or sold in their area of jurisdiction and verify if individual farmers indeed own the livestock indicated in their stock cards and offered for sale.  This is done in order to curb stock theft cases.

Police experience has shown that cattle can be stolen through misrepresentation to police officers by thieves, especially if they are not conversant with their area of policing.  Police stations usually assign officers to patrol in farms and homesteads thereby familiarising themselves with residents to an extent of knowing who owns what stock (cattle, donkey, goats and chicken).  The system is also meant to curb corruption amongst members of the Police Service.  A serialised stock clearance register is maintained by each police station for accountability purposes and is subject to audit during inspection.  Madam Speaker, this is the response as far as the boundaries which is under the jurisdiction of each police station.  I thank you. 

HON. MAYIHLOME:  Thank you Madam Speaker.  Is the Hon. Deputy Minister aware of the cost that is involved upon by the farmers?  In some instances, the police station would be staying a kilometre away and they have to travel up to 50km away to another police station. The cost of carrying the police details is borne by the farmer.  Is he aware of that challenge as an inhibitor?  Thank you Madam Speaker.  

HON. MADIRO:  Thank you Madam Speaker.  The Hon. Member is right.  As far as those exceptional situations, it is operationally possible that the public can make use of the nearest police station to them and the police stations will liaise amongst themselves to make sure that the public is not inconvenienced.  Thank you Madam Speaker. 

HOUSES FOR POLICE OFFICERS ON TRANSFER TO OTHER STATIONS

48.   HON. MKANDLA asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to state measures being taken to provide houses to police officers being transferred to other stations.

HON. CHINOTIMBA:  On a point of order Madam Speaker.

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  What is your point of order Hon. Chinotimba?

*HON. CHINOTIMBA:  Madam Speaker, my point of order is that there is no water in the ablution facilities in this building.  I would like to implore the Administration of Parliament to look into the issue of provision of water in the ablution facilities.  We are inhaling the punjent smell that is coming from the toilets.  I would also request that we sink boreholes at this Parliament.  If there is no water, then Parliament should not sit.  Madam Speaker, even when you go to the ladies’ room, you will discover that some toilets are not working, some cisterns are mal-functioning...

*THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  What is your point of order?

*HON. CHINOTIMBA:  My point of order Madam Speaker, is that we do not know whether the council is failing to run the City Council of Harare.  If they have failed, then they should vote for me so that I become the Harare Mayor because the council right now is failing to discharge its duties.

*THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Thank you Hon. Chinotimba – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.] – The Hon. Member said chinhu (thing).  He did not point any finger to anyone.  He did not mention anyone’s name – [HON. MEMBERS:  That is unparliamentary.  What kind of language is that?] –

HON. SIKHALA:  Madam Speaker, sign language is one of the official languages of our country in terms of the Constitution.  When the Hon. Member was emphasising his point, he indicated and pointed to this side.  So, for you to say that he did not mention anyone’s name .....

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  You are mixed there, I can see ZANU PF – [HON. MEMBERS:  Haaaaaa!] –

HON. SIKHALA:  Madam Speaker, my concern is not whether he is talking of a ZANU PF MP or an MDC MP, just saying chinhu ichi is improper.  Can he withdraw that Madam Speaker, if we want to take parliamentary business seriously?  Sign language is part of our official language, he pointed.

*THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  What Hon. Chinotimba said regarding toilets is the correct position but I would like to inform the House that in the next few days we would be using borehole water.  The issue is being attended to.  Thank you Hon. Chinotimba for raising that issue, however, when you said chinhu, I did not understand what you were referring.  The ‘thing’ that you mentioned, the rotten thing, I did not understand. 

*HON. CHINOTIMBA:  Madam Speaker, I said that it is rotten that side at the toilets.  Something is rotten at the toilets.  You cannot even go there.  I was just expressing - it was a figure of speech.  It is not what the Hon. Member is referring to.  I think I do not have to withdraw. 

HON. TSUNGA:  Madam Speaker, I think we need to be serious.  We are serious people who should be serious about serious issues.  Hon. Chinotimba made specific reference to the Mayor.  He also said he is available for election in the local authority for the position of Mayor so that he can be able to fix the problems that he has alluded to.  Now, he says chinhu chawora. Having said all that I have mentioned is clearly unparliamentary Madam Speaker.  I think it is in everyone’s interest that he withdraws that statement so that we are considered to be a serious institution that is serious with serious business.  Thank you Madam Speaker. 

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Hon. Chinotimba, can you withdraw your statement?

*HON. CHINOTIMBA:  Madam Speaker, before withdrawing my statement – [HON. SIKHALA: Inaudible interjections.] -

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Order Hon. Sikhala!

*HON. CHINOTIMBA:  Madam Speaker Ma’am, before I withdraw, I would like to express what I said and no one can bar me from campaigning as Mayor.  The rotten thing is the toilet unless they want me to withdraw the statement that if I am voted for, I can fix these problems but we cannot sit here without water and other facilities.

However, Madam Speaker Ma’am, I withdraw.

*HON. TSUNGA: ZANU PF please, have a criteria to choose Members of Parliament and not this.

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Hon. Member, withdraw your statement – [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections.] –

HON. TSUNGA:  Madam Speaker Ma’am, I withdraw the fact that we need quality in the House.  

*HON. CHINOTIMBA:  Madam Speaker Ma’am, I withdraw the suggestion that I want people to vote for me as the Mayor of the City of Harare.

HOUSES FOR POLICE OFFICERS ON TRANSFER TO OTHER STATIONS

          48.  HON. MKANDLA asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to state measures being taken to provide houses to Police Officers being transferred to other stations.

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO): May I thank the Hon. Member for the question.  As I have alluded to – [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections.] –

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Order Hon. Members, order!

HON. MADIRO: As I have alluded to in response to an earlier question, the issue of accommodation in all police stations throughout the country is worrisome.  When a police officer is transferred and was occupying Government accommodation, he or she must handover that house or room to the incoming officer and also go to occupy the house left by the outgoing officer at the new station.  But as you all know, there is no accommodation enough to house all police officers in camps.  Most of our police officers are lodgers and live in squalid conditions.

          During transfers, the Commissioner General of Police also considers the plight of members’ children who will be at school and accommodation movements by members are sometimes delayed as some wait for their children to change schools during holidays. 

ACCOMMODATION FOR POLICE OFFICERS DEPLOYED IN INSIZA SOUTH CONSTITUENCY

49.  HON. S. SITHOLE asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to explain why police officers deployed in community police bases in Insiza South Constituency are not provided with

accommodation.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO):  I want to thank the Hon. Member for the pertinent question.  Allow me to highlight that the Zimbabwe Republic Police is experiencing acute shortages in both office and residential accommodation.  This applies to police stations even before they deploy members to the police posts or bases.

With regards to Insiza South Constituency, there are four police bases namely Sanale, Silalatshani, Avoka and Skuta.  All these bases have accommodation facilities for deployed police officers.  It is important to note that police officers are deployed to bases on a rotational basis from their mother station, in this case ZRP Filabusi.  Therefore, the facilities are not meant for married accommodation since the deployment is for a short period whereby the police officers will return to their families after the tour of duty.  On the other hand, the Government is also working with community leaders and business through various community policing initiatives to improve the status of police bases and posts.  This of course requires funding. 

HON. S. SITHOLE:  I wonder if the Deputy Minister has ever visited Insiza South Constituency since he was appointed. You have said that all the four police bases have accommodation. Silalatshani, yes it has accommodation.  Skuta, yes – a homestead which was left by the white farmers.  Avoka yes there is accommodation but really at Sanale, they are renting houses which are behind the shops.  Have you ever visited this Constituency?  If you have not visited it, when are you going to visit to see that what you are saying here is not correct Hon. Minister?

HON. MADIRO:  The Hon. Member is inviting the Minister to visit Filabusi.  We accept the invitation and we will definitely come.

POLICE POSTS IN MHANGURA CONSTITUENCY

50.  HON. MASANGO asked the Minister of Home Affairs and

Cultural Heritage when the Ministry would establish police posts in the following areas in Mhangura Constituency:

            (a)   Chigaba in Ward 1;

            (b)  River Range in Ward 3;

             (c) Slaughter in Ward 5;

             (d)  Nyamugomba in Ward 6; and

             (e)  Chisaki in Ward 13.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO):  My Ministry is aware of the need to ensure that members of the public access policing services within acceptable distances.  It is therefore clear that the advent of land reform programme brought in new resettlement patterns and there is need to establish police posts or bases in the mentioned areas as members of the public are travelling long distances to report cases.

The Hon. Member of Parliament should take note that residents of Chigaba area Ward 1 report cases at Mhangura Police Station, those in River Range in Ward 3, Slaughter in Ward 5 and Chisaki in Ward 13 access police services at Murereka while those at Nyamugomba in Ward 6 report at ZRP Chinhoyi Rural.

Police bases can be established where the concerned area’s security is influenced by crime trends, population, economic development and distance of police station to the local community.  If need be, a suitable place has to be identified for the purpose.  In view of the current economic outlook, it is not possible to construct police posts or bases in all parts of Mhangura Constituency.

Meanwhile, the ZRP is employing various community policing initiatives to ensure that areas without police establishments are well policed.  Some of the strategies include rural patrols, home officers’ scheme, neighbourhood watch committees and crime consultative committees.  The Hon. Member of Parliament is thus implored to work together with the local police to promote community policing initiatives in order to mitigate some of the challenges faced by police.  I want to thank the Hon. Member for asking this question because it is actually the same situation in many areas in the country and I want to believe they are informed accordingly. Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.

          HON. T. MLISWA: Thank you very much Madam Speaker. My question to the Hon. Deputy Minister of Home Affairs is that what is Government policy pertaining to the area where a police station must be? For example, the health policy is that within ten kilometres, there must be a clinic. So, what is your policy as Government in terms of that because the role of the Ministry is to maintain law and order? It seems as if the Minister is admitting that basically crime is high and we cannot maintain law and order.

          The reason why this is important is for Members of this august House to also assist where CDF is available and they can equally target to support Government. Members of Parliament are more than happy to support Government but can only support Government if you equally offer a geographical sketch of where each police station should be. With the land reform which happened, there is so much happening because people moved from the urban areas to the farms.

          As a result, crime is high. Those also there in terms of the compounds which are there, there were workers in the compounds Madam Speaker who are not employed but who are resident on those farms. All they do is steal because they have no jobs and because of the harsh economic climate, the farmers cannot equally employ them. So, the question to the Minister is geographically and policy wise, how many kilometres radius must there be a police station? This is because without doing that, there is anarchy and there is no law and order.

          HON. MADIRO: Thank you very much Madam Speaker. The Hon. Member is highlighting a very important situation in our communities. Let me say the Member’s intervention is very ideal but the situation as it is now vis-à-vis policy is that we do not have specific distance which is prescribed to site a police station. At the moment, we are guided by the population of a particular community and crime rate which is prevalent at the moment throughout as he rightly states and that the wish of the Government as far as policy is concerned is to come as close as possible to where the people are in order to maintain peace, order and harmony in the communities.

          Therefore, we are saying at the moment, given the constraints of resources, it is a bit difficult as we would wish as Government to be everywhere in the community. That is why we want to complement in terms of mobility, in terms of vehicular availability so that the presence and the visibility of the police is quite prevalent in the communities. Otherwise, his observation is quite correct. Thank you.

          HON. T. MLISWA: The Minister is correct and I thank him for that professional response. I think you have been very candid. The reason why the Ministry must provide such information is that companies within our communities have got corporate social responsibility and once we know there must be a police station, we are able to engage them. So, is it possible for the Ministry to provide a sketch of where the police stations should be even though the Government has no resources for it and we can mobilise with the local communities and companies which are there and so forth. I think that would certainly help you because it takes us to help you to police the community as well, but that sketch is very important for us to be guided by it and it can be reviewed from time to time. I thank you Hon. Minister for such a professional response but can he provide us with a sketch as Members of Parliament? Thank you.

          HON. MADIRO: Thank you Madam Speaker. We take the suggestion from the Hon. Member and we will consider that as Government to actually define the distances and places where police stations can be. I want to thank him also with the suggestion to engage the corporate world so that they complement Government in terms of provision for security of our people.  Thank you Madam Speaker.

          HON. MOLEKELA-TSIYE: Thank you Madam Speaker. I wanted to say that it is not enough as the Government to accept the social economic situation and the resource rconstraints because the public is entitled to protection in terms of the Constitution of the country. As Government, you have a right, a responsibility to ensure that the public is protected.

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Go straight to your question Hon. Member.

          HON. MOLEKELA-TSIYE: I wanted to say that it is the responsibility of the Government to be creative and resourceful in the circumstances and also may be to consult not just the private corporate sector but with the community at large and even may be to check with other countries. Zimbabwe is not the poorest country in the world.

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Is that your question Hon. Member?

PROPER STRUCTURES FOR MAKHADO POLICE STATION IN BEITBRIDGE

          51.   HON. MABOYI asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to explain the Ministry’s plants to construct proper structures for Makhado Police Station in Beitbridge West Constituency as the current structures with prefabricated materials have no toilets and cannot be electrified.

                   THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOMES AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO): Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am. The ZRP Makhado is a police post under ZRP Zezani. We are aware of the challenges at both the mother station and the police post. Efforts to have the matter addressed are being hampered by lack of funds. My Ministry will continue to lobby Government for funds to ensure that proper structures are put in place not only at ZRP Zezani but in all areas in the country where there is need to improve the police-public ratio in terms of policing standards.

          As an Institution, we want our Police Officers to have decent office accommodation and upon retirement, they should also have their own personal stands as a way of motivating them whilst still in service. I believe this will also increase efficient and professionalism in the Police Service. Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.

          HON. T. MLISWA: I must confess. Just an observation, the Hon. Deputy Minister of Home Affairs has exhibited the highest professionalism not only that but knowledge to what is going on. What is worrying me is that he is the Deputy Minister – where is the Minister? The Minister sits in Cabinet and the Deputy Minister does not sit in Cabinet. It is a pity he does not sit in Cabinet because he is Cabinet material, but where is the man who is supposed to be in Cabinet?  I do not know.  The Minister of Home Affairs has never come to this House.  He does not respect this House.

The Deputy Minister is answering questions but the Minister who sits in Cabinet responsible for policy making is not here.  Where is he Madam Speaker, because he has never come to this House to answer questions on a Wednesday question time?  He is always sending his deputy who does not sit in Cabinet.  He has never been in this House since he became a Minister.  So, we must be very clear, the Deputy Minister we tick but the Minister himself where is he, can he answer like this.  You deserve to be promoted to a Cabinet Minister. – [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.] –

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Thank you Hon. Mliswa but in terms of our Standing Orders the Deputy Minister can also come and answer questions in the House.  I thank you.

          HON. MOLOKELA: I wanted to follow up whether there are no plans to have temporary or prefabricated toilets so as to avoid a health risk of cholera outbreak.

          HON. MADIRO:  There was noise but I want to believe the Hon. Member was proffering a temporary solution.  We take note of that and we will consider the suggestion.

HON. NDUNA:  Madam Speaker, I applaud the Minister for a well rounded response.  However, I am knowledgeable that in terms of housing backlog in Chegutu West Constituency we have 25000 and nationally we have 1.5 million.  My question therefore is if he can favour this House with a backlog that the police have in terms of accommodation.

HON. MADIRO:  The Hon. Member is asking a question in terms of specific housing backlog figures for the police.  With all due respect we would respond when we have specific figures which I am not able to provide here.

THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Hon. Nduna that cannot be a supplementary question which was asked.  Please may you put your question in writing or ask the question next week as it is a new question.

INCREASE OF POLICE POSTS IN BIKITA EAST CONSTITUENCY

          53.    HON. MADHUKU asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to state whether the Zimbabwe Republic Police could consider increasing the number of police posts in Bikita East Constituency to reduce crime rate in the constituency.

          THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO):  Police bases can be established where the concerned area’s security is influenced by crime trends, population, economic development and distance of police stations to the local community.  In this particular case, out of the six stations in the constituency, there are two bases namely Chikuku and Mukure.  These bases are manned on rotational basis by members who are deployed by the station command.

          The police is providing security through regular patrols and other initiatives meant to enhance participation by members of the public in policing matters.  These include the Neighbourhood Watch Committee scheme, Police Constabulary where suitable members of the public are recruited and operate closely with the police from their communities.  With the current economic environment, it is not feasible to establish police bases in all policing areas in the constituency.  On the Zimbabwe Republic Police’s part, there are thus addressing this need through community policing structures which I alluded to above.

VEHICLES FOR ZRP IN BIKITA DISTRICT

54.    HON. MADHUKU asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage when the Zimbabwe Republic Police Stations in Bikita District would be availed vehicles.

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO):  Motor vehicles are a vital resource in police operations.  Bikita District has got six police stations namely Basera, Mashoko, Gutu, Chatsworth, Gutu and Zaka.  Of these stations only two have serviceable vehicles, which are inadequate to meet the required fleet needs per station.  Ideally all police stations should have more than one vehicle for use during their day to day duties.  Some of the duties at stations include;

-         Motorised patrols

-         Scene attendance

-         Service of process

-         Investigations and conveyance of suspects to court.

-         Administrative duties

Given this scenario police officers at times have to rely on good Samaritans in the execution of their duties, hence the need for Government to consider urgent provision of this vital resource.  It is pleasing to note that Treasury is mobilising resources to avail vehicles to police and we are in the process of finalising the logistical issues.  I will keep the house updated on any developments.

WRITTEN SUBMISSION TO QUESTION WITH NOTICE

SPORTING DISCIPLINES FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED BY THE MINISTRY

          40. HON. WATSON asked the Minister of Youth, Sport, Arts and

Recreation to inform the House on sporting disciplines that are financially

supported by the Ministry when representing Zimbabwe in international

competitions.

          THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY AND COURIER SERVICES (HON. KAZEMBE) on behalf of THE MINISTER OF YOUTH, SPORT, ARTS AND RECREATION (HON. COVENTRY): Madam Speaker, it is important to note that all sporting teams that represent Zimbabwe as Team Zimbabwe at regional, continental and international events should be registered with National Sport Associations under the provisions of the Sports and Recreation Commission Act 25:15. The current register of National Sport Associations which is updated from time to time by the Sports and Recreation Commission has 63 registered sporting associations and the sporting discipline in question (swimming) is registered under the Zimbabwe Aquatic Union.

          The Ministry annually sets aside funds aimed at supporting National

Teams and in this budget year the Ministry has a budget allocation of RTGs$1 million for National Teams which is far below the submitted bid of RTGs$15 million. Accordingly, the disbursement of these funds is done in a systematic process. Requests from National Sports Associations vary depending on the nature of competition, destination, duration of event and contingent size. To that end, National Sport Associations are required to submit their budget requests through the Sports and Recreation Commission for each particular event reflecting the following:

·       Declaration of grant from hosting international federation

·       Declaration of funds in the reserves of the National Sport Association to fund the event (from revenue collections or fund-raising activities)

·       Specific amount requested from Government and breakdown for intended use.

Following such a submission, the Sports and Recreation Commission

evaluated the request and recommends to Government the amount payable to National Sport Association based on their submission.

          Mr. Speaker Sir, it is essential to note that in the evaluation processes by the Sports and Recreation Commission on the eligibility of an association to get funding from Government, compliance to governance statutes plays a major role. National Sport Associations are expected to conform to laid down governance protocols for them to qualify for funding. This is done in order to put checks and balances in the usage of public funds. The following are compliance requirement that a National Sport Association has to pass for them to qualify for funding by Government:

·       Submission of audited financial statements.

·       Submission of Annual Membership SRC Form 4.

·       Payment of annual levies.

·       President/Chairman’s report on activities of the National Sport Association.

·       Submission of Annual General Meeting minutes.

·       Submission of Annual Calendar of events.

·       Annual projected budget.

ZRP PATROLS ON HIGHWAYS

            42. HON. MASUKU asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to state when the Zimbabwe Republic Police would resume patrols on the country’s highways in order to reduce high crime rate.

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO): I would like to thank the Hon. Member for asking this pertinent question. It is true that police presence on our roads, residential and other areas deter criminals from committing crime. To be precise, the Zimbabwe Republic Police never stopped patrolling our highways as it is one of the available strategies to prevent and detect offences, account for criminals and enhance police visibility. The patrols are influenced by crime trends and patterns and our police officers deploy in areas known as hot spots. The mobile patrols are hamstrung by shortage of resources and do not cover all the roads but they are ably complemented by static roadblocks. May the Hon. Member be specific about what he terms high crime rates and the particular locations where they are occurring to enable my Ministry to come up with an appropriate response?

MEASURES AGAINST PUBLIC BUS OPERATORS FOR NOT OBSERVING APPROVED TIME TABLES

          43. HON. MASUKU asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to explain whether the Ministry could consider putting in place stringent measures against public bus operators who do not observe approved time tables on the designated routes.

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO): The Zimbabwe Republic Police can only enforce the law to the extent permitted by the piece of legislation, in this case the Road Motor Transportation Act. Those who do not observe approved timetables on designated routes are dealt with in accordance with existing statutes which are administered by the Ministries of Transport and Infrastructure Development and Local Government, Public Works and National Housing respectively. The Hon. Member can rest assured that the current legislation is enforced by our police officers in its current form. We are open to suggestions that members of the public or this august House may proffer to amend the legislation in question to be more effective, thereby enabling the police service to enforce the requirements alluded to by the Hon. Member.

STATISTICS OF CHILDREN WITHOUT BIRTH CERTIFICATES

45.   HON. WATSON asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage to provide statistics of the number of children aged twelve years and below and the people aged thirteen years and above who do not have birth certificates

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO): The Ministry does not maintain a record of persons who do not have birth certificates.  It is however the Ministry’s mandate through the Registrar General’s Department to issue upon application civil registration and travel documents, a process that includes birth registration.  It is very difficult to have statistics of persons who have not enrolled for birth registration.  It is only when they get registered that statistics become available.  As a Ministry, we encourage parents to acquire this vital document for their children as it is the child’s right as enshrined in the Constitution of Zimbabwe to have a birth certificate.  If resources are made available, the Ministry would want to further decentralise civil registration offices for them to be more accessible in every community. 

STOCK THEFT IN MAKONI SOUTH CONSTITUENCY

52.    HON MATARANYIKA asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Cultural Heritage, to state measures being taken to curb the problem of stock theft which is on the increase in Manicaland Province, especially in Makoni South Constituency.

                THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND CULTURAL HERITAGE (HON. MADIRO):  I want to thank the Hon. Member for the question.  The ZRP is doing everything possible to curb cases of stock theft through awareness campaigns to conscientise members of the public on the need to:

-         pen their livestock daily

-         brand their livestock for easy identification

-         get clearance from the Police and Veterinary department whenever they want to sell, buy or move livestock.

Other measures include preventive patrols, roadblocks to detect criminals, regular checks at butcheries and abattoirs.  The fight against stock theft is not solely the prerogative of the police but involves the participation and cooperation of the community, hence the police has also established Crime Consultative Committees to combat stock theft.  Members of the public are therefore encouraged to alert the police whenever they find meat being sold on the streets, backdoor and other unsuitable places.

The Officer Commanding Manicaland and his team have been directed by the Commissioner General of Police to intensify measures to curb stock theft in all areas which include Makoni South Constituency.  The local community is also urged to constantly liaise with the local police in order to deal with any criminal elements in terms of stock theft.  The Commissioner General of Police has indeed assured me that he is constantly monitoring the situation.

Questions with Notice were interrupted by THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER in terms of Standing Order No. 64.

          On the motion of THE MINISTER OF HIGHER AND TERTIARY EDUCATION, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT (HON. PROF. MURWIRA), the House adjourned at a Quarter past Five o’clock p.m.

 

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