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Thursday, 13th June, 2019

The National Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two O’clock p.m.





         THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  I wish to inform the House that I have received a Non-Adverse Report from the Parliamentary Legal Committee on the Zimbabwe Investment Development Agency Bill [H. B. 2, 2019].


THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  I also wish to remind the House that there will be half day ICT literacy training sessions for male Members of Parliament.  The sessions will be held at TelOne Learning Centre near the Harare Show Grounds, in Belvedere from 17th June to 12 July 2019. The training will be conducted in groups of forty Members over a period of three days. Officers from the Information Technology Department will be stationed at the Members’ Dining Hall every sitting day from Tuesday 11th to Thursday 13th June, 2019 for registration purposes. 

HON. NDUNA: Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am. Having noticed that there is no notice of motion, I rise on a point of privilege on Section 68 read with Section 69 of the Standing Rules and Orders. I am alarmed by the way the prices of basic necessities are sky rocketing.  It is with a heavy heart that I stand here.  I am quite shocked that some basic inputs and necessities such as cooking oil, sugar and other needs are changing in price each day.  For instance, yesterday a two litres bottle of cooking oil was RTGS $22, today it is at RTGS $30.  It is at this price in renowned big departmental shops like OK and TM. However, I ask that they produced empirical scientific evidence as to how they are arriving at these prices if they are not being directed by speculative tendencies or petty party political machinations.

We recently debated the Consumer Protection Bill.  Speculators out there who we tried to outlaw using the Consumer Protection Bill should be nabbed immediately.  We should not be held at ransom by people who just arrive at a figure of 1:9 versus the greenback or the US$ without any knowledge and anything to suggest what it is that they are bench marking on which is the cause of the sky rocketing of these prices.

Therefore, I call upon the arms or captains of industry to investigate their own in terms of not price controls but making sure that they arrest the un-wanton price increases by arresting those that are causing those price increases, those businesses. If they do not produce empirical and scientific evidence as to how they have arrived at these prices that are upping everyday, they should be arrested immediately by their own; thus sendind a thief to catch a thief.

The second issue, I ask if the Minister of Industry and Commerce could come to this House and give any reason why prices are wantonly sky rocketing each day; in particular on issues and basic necessities that have raw materials produced here in Zimbabwe using local currency and labour whose labour is being paid by local RTGS$.  It would be prudent for him to come and favour us with a Ministerial Statement as to exactly why the arms of industry, industry players and business people, in particular those big businesses are sky rocketing prices of cooking oil for instance; which they are buying at a very low wholesale price.  For example, Zimgold Cooking Oil whose crude oil is produced in Chegutu West Constituency at a rate of 50 000 litres and 1 500 000 million litres per month.  That cooking oil has not gone up in price to warrant that that commodity sky rockets to RTGS $30 per two litre bottle. So, I ask that you make a ruling as it relates to that ministerial statement as well as it relates to the arms of industry policing their own so that they can be nipped in the bud and the issue of price hikes stops immediately without any further ado.  I thank you.

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Thank you Hon. Nduna.  We will call the Minister of Industry and Commerce to come and give us a ministerial statement.

          HON. HAMAUSWA:  I rise on a point of privilege basing on the provisions of our Constitution which say water is a basic right.  I want to bring to your attention and to the attention of this House that the water crisis in Zimbabwe is actually reaching astronomical levels, to the extent that we now require the Minister responsible for water resources to come and apprise the House with regards to the status of access to water.  I understand that there was a petition that was brought to Parliament by some organisation with regard to access to water.  I want to support my plea for a ministerial statement by what is happening in many constituencies in Harare and some other areas, even in rural areas.  People are now failing to get basic clean water.

In my constituency for example people are now using contaminated water for laundry. I do not think it will be good for this nation because we also heard through the media that there are reports of typhoid and we are worried that cholera will recur.  We know cholera is an archaic disease which cannot continue to affect our people.  So, it is high time that the Minister responsible for water comes and gives us a Ministerial Statement.  I support this with the evidence that the metallurgical services has also warned that next year we are likely to have below average rainfall, meaning we are going to have drought.  Our water bodies within this country are also not adequate. 

I have been to Guruve and they are complaining that if it is during the dry season they drive their cattle between 15km and 20km for them to have water.  So, it is really a worrying situation which requires not only a Ministerial Statement but beyond a Ministerial Statement, we need action to ensure that people receive water.  It is also becoming very difficult for Members of Parliament to go around their constituencies because people are fighting for water in the few boreholes that were sunk. 

          The other thing that I also request the Minister responsible for water is to ensure that in those areas where water is in acute shortage to possibly provide more boreholes and other alternative ways or to come up with water management systems which include water harvesting technologies like what happens in other countries like Namibia.  We have countries that are partly deserts but their people never run out of clean water. 

In Zimbabwe we receive water but we do not harvest or conserve the water.  So, it is important for the Minister to also tell the House what they are doing in light of climate change and increased waste that is being deposited into the water bodies.  Lake Chivero is a classic example and we now have water that is actually becoming very difficult to clean.  It is going to be good for this nation if we know the plans that Government is going to put in place to ensure every person will have access to clean water.  I thank you.

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Thank you Hon. Member.  We will ask the Minister responsible to come and give us a ministerial statement on that matter.

          HON. MADZIMURE: It is more than five years since the disappearance of Itai Dzamara and it is also more than five months since the Minister promised this House that he was going to give us an update.  It is enshrined in our Constitution that a person has a right to life and to protection but we also have got provisions in our statutes that deal with missing people.  The family has been going through terrible times and I think it is now high time that the Minister comes to this House and report on the investigations.  If there is need for him to declare Itai Dzamara dead, then he does that so that the family can put this issue to closure. 

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Hon. Madzimure, we will ask the Minister to come and give us an investigation report on that matter.  I thank you.

          #HON. PHUTHI:  I rise to raise a very touching issue, especially looking at the area that I am representing.  I would like to ask the Minister of Public Service, Labour and Social Welfare to consider issues which pertain to deployment of different people, particularly in Government departments.  I am saying this because there are some local people who are qualified and deserve to be in the Public Service data base, however, they are not afforded the opportunity.  I will give an example that I saw happening under the Ministry of Health and Child Care.  There are a lot of nurses who are qualified but have not been given the opportunity to join that particular ministry so they are not in the public service data base. 

However, I have noticed that when recruitment is done in our areas there is a provision for 15 people who are supposed to come from Harare who are in the Public Service data base.  They come as far away as Harare to take these jobs, thereby affecting the locals.  I also saw the same thing happening in schools.  We have a lot of qualified teachers who can speak some of these languages but they are not given the opportunity by the Public Service.  Young students fail to understand what they are being taught by teachers who come from far away because they teach them in languages which are alien to them.  I would request that the Ministry of Public Service, Labour and Social Welfare consider correcting this anomally, particularly in the Ministry of Primary and Secondary Education and the Ministry of Health and Child Care. 

          I would like Madam Speaker to invite  the Minister of Public Service, Labour and Social Welfare to come and respond to this issue in this august House, particularly considering that this will motivate qualified people from our areas and it will give them the strength to work and develop their areas.  Thank you Madam Speaker.

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Thank you Hon. Phuti.  I would advise that on that point of privilege, bring a motion to the House concerning those issues.  I thank you.

          HON. MASANGO:  Thank you for recognising me Madam Speaker Ma’am.  I rise on a point of privilege. Tomorrow being the 14th June, 2019 is World Blood Donor Day.  So through you Madam Speaker Ma’am, I would like to urge all Hon. Members of Parliament to lead by example by donating blood.

          Donating blood is a very noble and commendable deed.  When the public sees us at least donating blood, they will be encouraged to follow suit.  Our blood banks are sometimes in short supply.  We must enhance Government’s policy on free blood by making sure that blood is always there.  You never know when you or your family might need blood transfusion.  So please, donate blood.  I thank you. – [HON. MEMBERS:  Hear, hear.] –

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Thank you Hon. Masango.  I think that is a noble issue and I am sure Hon. Members will take heed of that.  I am sure that they will go and donate blood and lead by example.

          HON. NGULUVHE:  Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am, I rise on a matter of privilege.  Madam Speaker Ma’am, as I speak I would like to ask the Minister of Finance and Economic Development to come and tell us when he is going to review war veterans allowances?  As I speak, they are earning R150.00, how can they survive on that?

          War veterans are crying, so I would like the Minister of Finance and Economic Development to come and tell us when he is going to increase war veterans allowances.  He is always increasing civil servants salaries.  I thank you.

          THE HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER:  Thank you Hon. Member, I will ask the Minister of Finance and Economic Development to come and present a Ministerial Statement on those issues.  I thank you.



          Amendments to Clauses 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 16, 31, 49, 66, 67, 69, 71, 72, 73, 74, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, insertion of new Part (viii), 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, insertion of new Schedules, First Schedule Section 5 (3) and (4); Second Schedule Section 5 (5) put and agreed to.

          Bill, as amended, adopted.

          Third Reading: With leave, forthwith.



          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HEALTH AND CHILD CARE (HON. DR. MANGWIRO) on behalf of THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY AND COMMERCE (HON. M. NDLOVU):  Madam Speaker Ma’am, I now move that the Bill be read the third time.

          Motion put and agreed to

          Bill read the third time.



          Amendments to Clauses 2, 4, 5, 7 and 41 put and agreed to.

          Bill, as amended, adopted.

          Third Reading: With leave, forthwith.



          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HEALTH AND CHILD CARE (HON. DR. MANGWIRO) on behalf of THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (HON. PROF. M. NCUBE):  Madam Speaker Ma’am, I now move that the Bill be read the third time.

          Motion put and agreed to

          Bill read the third time.



          Third Order read:  Adjourned debate on motion in reply to the Presidential Speech.

          Question again proposed.

HON. BUSHU:  Thank you Madam Speaker.  I rise to debate on the motion in response to the Presidential speech as raised by Hon. Kwaramba and seconded by Hon. Musabayana on 18th September, 2018.  This is in line with Standing Order No. 167, also with the Constitution of Zimbabwe, Section 140 (1) and our Standing Rules and Orders 168 (3).

I would like to congratulate the President for winning the elections and also coming to address us according to the constitutional requirements that a President can address the nation in Parliament at any appointed time as is required.  I would like also to congratulate you, Madam Speaker and the Speaker of Parliament for being elected into this position.  The President, Madam Speaker, referred to Zimbabwe as a great country. He also called Parliament a sacred institution which carries people’s hopes, dreams and aspirations, to quote his words.

Madam Speaker, the President would want us to work in peace, unity and harmony to deliver the 2030 agenda.  This is very important - love, unity and harmony.  If we do not have that, we have discord and it is important that we have that if we are going to succeed in achieving vision 2030.  Madam Speaker, the President in his speech indicated that he deliberately chose to pursue economic development vigorously and focus less and less on politics.  Economics business is what we live on.  Business produces what we eat, what we wear, what we drive in and most of the things that we live in and politics is a facilitator.

Madam Speaker, it is important that we appreciate business, it is important that we work on business.  All the complaints that we have, all the difficulties that we have revolve around economics and business.  If business succeeds, we will have all the joy that we need in this country or most of the joy that we need in this country and I think the President was right in saying that he is going to concentrate less on politics and more on economics and business.

The President covered every aspect of our expectations.  In Shamva South, we have answered his call and we have looked at two things that he also mentioned – farming and mining.  Madam Speaker, we believe that mining will give us very quick responses in terms of our economic development.  We also believe that if we do farming correctly, we will have food security and when we have food security, we have got less problems with our people. 

It is important that we give thanks to the Command Agriculture Programme.  In Shamva South Constituency, we are looking at Command Mining as an important tool to contribute to this economy, to contribute to the development of this country and to Vision 2030 that we require.  The key issues are peace, economic development and hard work.  It is important that we look at those so that we deliver ourselves from the problems that we have.

Madam Speaker, the President talked about social safety nets.  These can only be provided when those who have can give to others. It is imperative that Government provides social safety nets to the disabled, the elderly, the youth and to the poor.  Countries or economies that are successful have got social safety nets and therefore it is important that we grow our own economy and develop our own social safety nets in order to create a community that lives in harmony.

Madam Speaker, the President also talked about devolution and we all know that the commitment to devolution was very serious.  From September to December, we found out that an allocation of $310 million dollars was made towards the devolution exercise and some of the municipalities all over the country, all the communities around the country have gotten their monies already and they have started work on it.  Devolution gives people a buy in, devolution gives people a pride to work on their own things and I think devolution is going to bring in positive competition among provinces.  If they are going to look at their own GDPs and compare one with the other, those who are going to do well will be proud of themselves and those who are not going to be doing so well will have to go back onto the drawing board and do something about it.  As a result, I think this country will be stimulated to better growth.

The President also talked about fighting against corruption and in his clarion call to get him elected into office, he said let us unite and the second thing was let us fight corruption.  This we need to look at and get down to the real causes of corruption.  Is it out of need, is it out of greedy?  What we are saying is this is a cancer that has gone right through our economy, our society and right through to almost everyone.  In fact, for those who are much older, you will find that corruption was an anathema, but nowadays it is an easy thing for one to be corrupt and it is something that one does not apologise for.  How did it come about?  Maybe what we need to do is look at how it came about and how we can solve it, but the issue is we do not need it.  The issue is it has caused a lot of economic problems for us and it has also caused social problems.

Therefore, corruption is bad and we all know that we are terrible on the corruption index.  How can we be beaten by other countries that we know, countries we knew were really corrupt and we are ranked higher than them on the corruption index.  It is sad.  Anyway, the thing is we have got to get rid of corruption and the clarion call was made by the President that we do so.  Corruption is not just in the public sector, he said, but it is also in the private sector.  What does that mean?  It means that all of us in the public and private sectors have to look at it and say to ourselves has our community and society gone rotten this much?  We do not need it and everyone knows it.  The fight against corruption is important and will get us going towards Vision 2030.

          Madam Speaker Ma’am, the President looked at the legislative agenda for the Ninth Parliament.  In particular, we were interested in the Mines and Minerals Bill because in Shamva, mining is a key activity.  We mine gold in Shamva and the Bill has to make sure that there is harmony between farmers and miners.  There is also the Provincial and Metropolitan Councils’ Bill; we are also interested in it because it is related to devolution.  We are looking at Shamva South Constituency as a key actor in the economy of this country; it has minerals, water and land.        

The Traditional Leaders’ Act Amendment Bill, we are also looking at that, being a former chief, I am interested.  The Marriages Bill, which requires harmonising with the Constitution, is also important because we have these young girls who are getting married traditionally.  Some of the marriages are incorrect especially when the Constitution stipulates that one has got to be married at the age of 18 or more.  However, some people are getting married at the age of 14 whilst some are married at 16 and the law has to be harmonised.  We are interested in the outcome of that Bill.

          Rape and Sexual Abuses Bill is also important because it speaks to the abuse of women and some of the practices we had in the past that have to be corrected.  We are interested as a people of Shamva South, we are looking at this and saying, the President is looking in the right direction and we are going to follow and support him in that regard.

          Madam Speaker Ma’am, the President aptly promised, I quote, “Government will continue to ensure policy consistency, transparency and predictability, underpinned by fiscal discipline, hard honest work and a responsive bureaucracy.”  I underline ‘a responsive bureaucracy.’ It is important that if Zimbabwe is going to be open for business, a responsive bureaucracy must be in place and be stimulated or else there is no point in us mobilising support and then the people who come here to invest and work with us are frustrated – [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.] -  Madam Speaker Ma’am, it is important. What we are saying is policy consistency is also important, business wants policy consistency.  Any businessman who is going to invest in this country, whether local or foreign, want to know whether this country is in pandemonium or not so that they can factor risk into their planning.  They want to know if the country is peaceful or not and factor peace in their planning process.

          What we are simply saying is, if today it is peaceful and tomorrow there is pandemonium and the next day is peaceful and so on, one cannot plan and capital flies away.  Madam Speaker Ma’am, it is important that we have policy consistency in that regard – [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.] –

          I would like to thank the President when he said that ‘all of us, history will judge us harshly if we renege on our responsibility to uplift the livelihoods of our people.  I believe leadership is about uplifting livelihoods of the people, ensuring that the people whom we lead are comfortable and also have a better life than when we started leading them.  If we renege on that, history will judge us harshly.  He said, “if you like, unite, fight corruption and re-engage.”  We have seen a lot of re-engagement activities and it is a very important thrust.  We cannot live alone in this world anymore.  The President is very sincere and the world will soon see it.  In as far as we are concerned, the re-engagement process is not going to be a one day affair but we believe that the President wants to lead it and he wants it to be successful.

          Madam Speaker Ma’am, one of the things that the President said was that he would like to see economic stabilisation.

          [Time Limit.]

          HON. BUSHU: Thank you Madam Speaker Ma’am.  The Transitional Stabilisation Plan (TSP) is a very good plan for those who have read it.  If followed, it will be very good but I think there will be some painful experiences.  For those who have done company turnaround, you have got to go through a painful process sometimes and this process is probably one of those which we will go through.  The stabilisation process may mean that some people may have to cry but a turnaround is necessary.  We are in a meltdown now and if we do not do a turnaround now, we will have only ourselves to blame.

Madam Speaker Ma’am, the last thing I would like to talk about is the ease of doing business.  The President also referred to the ease of doing business and it is important that we put it into place.  We have heard about the ease of doing business for many years and we implore the President to continue putting his foot on the pedal so that the ease of doing business is realised.  One of the things that I have seen, which is a breath of fresh air is the Companies and Other Businesses Entities Bill, which ensures that the ease of doing business is achieved in the long term.  Madam Speaker Ma’am, I thank you for allowing me this time and I also thank the community of Shamva South Constituency for allowing me to come here to debate.  I thank you.

          HON. T. MLISWA:  On a point of order Madam Speaker, I do not think the people in this House constitute a quorum.

          [Bells rung.]

          [Quorum formed.]

          *HON. SEWERA: Thank you Madam Speaker for the opportunity that you have afforded me to speak on the motion raised by Hon. Svuure and supported by Hon. Musabayana on State of Nation Addressed raised by His Excellency, the President Hon. E. D. Mnangagwa.  Firstly, I would like to congratulate the President for thrashing his opponents in the presidential elections. I would like to congratulate all Hon. Members in this House, not forgetting all Hon. Members from my political party, ZANU PF for winning two thirds of the parliamentary seats. 

          In his address, His Excellency the President talked about the need for peace and unity as Zimbabweans.  We should leave politicking and concentrate on the improvement of our economy through beneficiation of our products so that they can be value added and in that way we will raise substantial amounts from the sale of our products.  Furthermore, he urged Zimbabweans to desist from violence, to be united and to dialogue no matter whatever our differences.  We should have a dialogue and not have demands and this can take our country to the next level.  He further pointed out that he wanted this country, Zimbabwe’s vision to be a middle income economy by 2030, and this can only be attained by the use of the land and other resources.

          He urged those that are into mining to ramp up and increase their production.  He also talked about the reengagement process so as to create friendship with other countries.  You are aware that the first republic was not engaging other countries and was not even dealing with reengagement.  He urged that in the Second Republic, Zimbabwe should concentrate on reengagement.  We have witnessed that a lot of new friends are coming into this country and a lot of agreements have been entered into and this has shown that the President is in the right direction. 

          We are seeing that countries from the EU and the western countries are supporting the President’s direction. We should clap for him in that regard.  He spoke about ensuring that we have the state of the art road network that enables easier access by our people.  We have seen a lot of buses coming into this country, a lot of road construction and resealing and road works have taken place.  He also spoke about the rail network and its reestablishment and ensuring that it functions efficiently.  We have witnessed it ever since His Excellency Hon.  E. D. Mnangagwa became President.

           He spoke about education and that Zimbabwe should have educated people who should learn skills in order to be self sufficient and be self employed.  He has said the country should have a good health delivery service system.  There are some changes that are in the offing and we are seeing that all those that were independent are observing that things are even changing. 

The President spoke about devolution.  All provinces should be responsible for their own administration and that there should be decentralisation so that people should not come to Harare to get passports.  We have seen offices that are going to be opened at grassroots and in that regard we should support him. 

His Excellency Hon. E. D Mnangagwa also said when Members of Parliament are in this august House, they should behave in an honourable manner because Parliament is an august House.  We have seen that others appear to have been elected to just come here and make a lot of noise or just to sing.  He spoke strongly against corruption and at every forum he speaks against corruption.  He does not tolerate corruption, so he is walking the talk.  With those few words I thank you Madam Speaker.

          HON. R. MOYO:  I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to Resume:       Tuesday 18th June, 2019.

          On the motion of THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR MATEBELAND NORTH (HON. R. MOYO), the House adjourned at Twenty past Three o’clock p.m. to Tuesday 18th June, 2019.

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