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NATIONAL ASSEMBLY HANSARD 18 JULY 2017 VOL 43 NO 76

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PARLIAMENT OF ZIMBABWE

Tuesday, 18th July, 2017

The National Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two o’clock p. m.

PRAYERS

(THE ACTING SPEAKER in the Chair)

ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE ACTING SPEAKER

ZANU PF CAUCUS MEETING

          THE ACTING SPEAKER (HON. MARUMAHOKO):  All ZANU PF Members of Parliament are invited to a Caucus meeting tomorrow, Wednesday, 19th July, 2017 at the ZANU PF Headquarters at 0900 hours.

MOTION

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

          THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (HON. CHINAMASA): Mr. Speaker Sir, I beg leave to move that Orders of the Day, Numbers 1 to 3 be stood over until Order of the Day, Number 4 has been disposed of.

          Motion put and agreed to.

RECOMMITTAL TO COMMITTEE STATE

ZEP – RE (MEMBERSHIP OF ZIMBABWE AND BRANCH OFFICE AGREEMENT BILL [H.B. 9, 2016]

          Fourth Order read: Recommittal – Committee Stage: ZEP – RE (Membership of Zimbabwe and Branch Office Agreement Bill [H.B. 9, 2016].

          House in Committee.

          THE TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (HON. MUTOMBA): Order, order Hon. Members!

          On Long Title:

          THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (HON. CHINAMASA): I move the amendment standing in my name on Long Title that on page 1 of the Bill, after the long title, insert a heading titled “Preamble’.  On page 1 of the Bill, delete the recitals and substitute with the following:-

          WHEREAS the Agreement for the Establishment of the ZEP-RE (PTA Reinsurance Company) (herein after called “the Company”) was concluded on 23rd November, 1990, among member States of the Preferential Trade Area (PTA) (now the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa), including Zimbabwe, by virtue of which Zimbabwe is a member;

          AND WHEREAS the PTA Authority, at its tenth meeting, took the decision that the company commences operations on 1st September, 1992;

          AND WHEREAS the Host Agreement between the company and Government requires Government to bestow the necessary legal capacity on the company together with certain privileges and immunities in line with Article 40 of the Agreement for the Establishment of the company;

          NOW, THEREFORE, be it enacted by the Parliament and President of Zimbabwe:-”

          Long Title put and agreed to.

          On First Schedule:

          THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (HON. CHINAMASA): Mr. Speaker, I move the amendment standing in my name on First Schedule that on page 2 of the Bill, before Article 1, insert the title “Host Agreement”.

          First Schedule put and agreed to.

          On Article 7:

          THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (HON. CHINAMASA): I move the amendment standing in my name that on page 6 of the Bill, delete paragraph 1 of Article 7.

          Article 7 put and agreed to.

          Bill reported with amendments.

          Bill referred to Parliamentary Legal Committee.

MOTION

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

HON. MATUKE:  I move that Orders of the Day, Numbers 1 to 9 be stood over until Order of the Day, Number 10 has been disposed of.

HON. RUNGANI:  I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

MOTION

REPORT ON THE ROLE OF THE PAN AFRICAN PARLIAMENT IN PROMOTING THE FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE AND THE AFRICAN PASSPORT

HON. A. MNANGAGWA:  I move the motion standing in my name that this House takes note of the Report on the Role of the Pan African Parliament in Promoting the Free Movement of People and the African Passport.

HON.  MUKWANGWARIWA: I second.

HON. A. MNANGAGWA:  Mr. Speaker Sir, the role of an all African passport is part of the AU’s agenda 2063 which was reviewed during the AU’s anniversary in 2013.  Aspirations 2 and 7 of agenda 2063 respectively envision an Africa that is integrated and united.  Agenda 2063 calls for African passports issued by Member States, capitalising on the global migrations towards e-passports and with the abolishment of visa requirements for all African citizens in all African countries by 2018.

Progress

In July 2016 the AU launched its e-passport at the AU Summit which took place in Kigali, Rwanda.  The first recipients of the new passport included:

·        AU heads of State and Government;

·        Ministers of Foreign Affairs;

·       Permanent Representatives of AU member states based at the AU headquarters.

All citizens of all African countries be allowed to stay visa-free for 30 days across the continent before the roll-out of the e-passport.

The Importance of E-Passport Development in Africa

E-Passports will provide border control authorities with an assurance that documents are genuine and unaltered and in turn, allows the biometric information contained in e-passports to be relied upon to automate aspects of the border clearance process.

The existence of a national biometric passport in all countries could be a significant step towards the development of a common format for the -Passport.

The Benefits of an E-Passport

·       The use of Passport will speed up border crossing times and make borders safer and more secure. 

·       E-Passports are more difficult to counterfeit, making it more difficult for smugglers and traffickers to operate. 

·       The advantages of biometric passport will largely be dependent upon data systems and borders and data analysis.

Requirements for an E-Passport to be put in place and operate effectively:

·       Requires states to agree to implementation of the AU passport. 

·       All countries need to put in place national e-Passports. 

·       The issuance of the AU passport depends on countries passing the necessary legislation in their own countries.

Additional Challenges to Free Movement on the Continent

Of course, there are additional challenges to free movement on the continent, the costs of flights being a major impediment to free and trade; infrastructure limitation, roads and transport infrastructure, OSBP; lack of awareness particularly among the general public and the public concerns and mistrust.

 

COUNTRIES IN EAST, HORN AND SOUTHERN AFRICA WHERE E-PASSPORTS ARE BEING CONSIDERED

COUNTRY

E-PASSPORT FORESEEN

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Angola

ü   

 

Kenya

ü   

The official launch of e-passport is expected to take place in April 2017

Namibia

ü   

The Ministry of Home Affairs and Immigration has confirmed its intention to introduce an e-passport.

Seychelles

ü   

 

South Africa

ü   

 

Tanzania

ü   

The Government plans to start issuance of e-passports in 2017;

Uganda

ü   

The Government is eager to develop an e-passport.

 

 

E-PASSPORTS INTRODUCED IN EAST, HORN AND SOUTHERN AFRICA

Country

E-Passport  Introduced

Year of Introduction

Botswana

ü   

2010

Burundi

ü   

2011

Djibouti

ü   

2017

Lesotho

ü   

2014

Mozambique

ü   

2010

Somalia

ü   

2011

South Sudan

ü   

2012

 

Decision on Free Movement of Persons and the African Passport

The Assembly,

1.    Takes note of the progress made towards ensuring free movement of persons as well as goods and services in Africa as a crucial element for deepening continental integration and unity in the spirit of Pan-Africanism, African Renaissance and realisation of Agenda 2063.

2.    Recalls decision EX.CL/Dec.908(XXVIII) adopted in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia in January 2016 which mandated the Commission to develop the protocol on Free Movement of Persons in Africa as envisioned in the 1981 African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights and the 1991 Treaty establishing the African Economic Community (Abuja Treaty), and to move ahead with the launching of the African Passport.

3.    Welcomes the launch of the African Passport during this 27th Ordinary Session in Kigali, Rwanda in July 2016.

4.    Notes with appreciation, the efforts of the Commission to carry out this important initiative and reiterates its support to the efforts of the Commission to issue the African passport;

5.    Calls on other countries and regions of the world to recognise the African Passport issued by the Commission and the AU member states as a valid travel document.

6.    Urges all member States to adopt the African Passport and to work closely with the AU Commission to facilitate the processes towards its issuance at the national level based on international , continental and national policy provisions and continental design and specifications.

7.    Requests the Commission to:

a)     Provide technical support to Member States to enable them to produce and issue the African Passport to their citizens. 

b)   Put in place an implementation roadmap for the development of a protocol on free movement of persons in Africa by January 2018, which should come into effect immediately in Member States upon its adoption.

I thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir.

          HON.  DR. MASHAKADA:  Mr. Speaker Sir, this motion is very important, so important that we need to pay attention to it.  As you know, one of the organs of the African Union,  the Pan African Parliament.  The Pan African Parliament is a legislative body of the African Union.  It comprises 54 member states drawn from North, East,  West Central and Southern Africa.  Each Parliament deploys five members to sit in the Pan African Parliament.  After its sessions, the Pan African Parliament develops resolutions which are going to bind all AU member states.

One of the important resolutions which was passed by the African Union during the May 2017 session was on the free movement of people and the issue of the introduction of an African passport.  People might not understand the importance of migration or the movement of people.  Right now, many Africans are dying in the Mediterranean Sea trying to cross to Sicily, Italy in order to enter the European Union in search of better opportunities.  Because it is difficult to travel, most migrants jump the boarder.  They use illegal means to cross boarders and this is very dangerous.  So, we have lost a lot of Africans in the Mediterranean Sea going to Europe and Africa has not yet addressed that exodus of people moving to Europe in search for greener pastures. 

In Zimbabwe, we have so many people dying in the Limpopo River trying to cross into South Africa using illegal means.  The problem is that these migrants at times do not have official documentation.  So they end up using illegal routes to cross in search of greener pastures.  It is important for Africa to make inter-state travelling easy and simple.  As recommended by the Pan African Parliament, Africa should adopt one single passport which will be used by all countries.  This passport is called the African passport.

Efforts have already been made.  The African passport has already been launched in Rwanda in 2015 by the heads of state.  That was the first stage of rolling out the African passport.  I think the second stage will be rolled out to Ministers of Foreign Affairs and then other citizens of Africa so that it makes sense to travel within Africa. 

I will give you an example Mr. Speaker Sir.  Africa needs investment and Africa has so many billionaires concentrated in Nigeria and South Africa but these billionaires cannot invest in Africa because it is difficult to move from country to country in search of investment opportunities.  One typical example is of Dangote.  Dangote visited an African country with his delegation.  Unfortunately, when they arrived at the immigration point, he realised that his passport did not have a visa to enter into that African country.  You know what?  The rest of his delegation was allowed to pass and he was told to go back because he did not have a visa to enter into that African country to do an investment assessment.  It does not make sense.  We lose potential investors of an African origin because it is difficult to get visas to enter fellow African countries.

Do you know that it is easier for Western African countries to travel to Africa via France than to move to the neighbouring countries in the region?  It is so difficult to travel within West Africa – you have to go to Europe before you come to Africa.  It does not make sense.  The Pan African Parliament has made a resolution that Africa must be one borderless continent.  Why do we continue to respect these colonial borders or boundaries that were imposed at the Berlin Conference? Africa must be one borderless continent in order to improve economic integration.

We cannot talk of economic integration without the free movement of people.  The free movement of people has got so many dimensions.  I have just talked about the potential African investor or billionaire who wants to invest in Africa and has to move speedily and smoothly among African countries.  The other category that we have to look at is that of refugees. Because of political and military conflicts, Africa has got a lot of displaced people who are migrating to safer zones away from conflicts.  These people need to travel freely and safely.

The other group of migrants who need the African passport are cross border traders. You know in African economies, the formal sectors have been shrinking.  In fact 70% of African economies are informal.  The formal sector is only 30%.  So there is a lot of movement of cross border traders but there are so many restrictions because of lack of official travel documentation. That is why the introduction of an African passport is key to improve the movement of people across the border. 

The free movement of people is an essential ingredient to the free movement of goods, services and capital.  When we talk about trade, goods, services and capital do not move on their own.  They require people.  This free movement of people is very important as it also accompanies the free movement of goods, capital and services.

I am encouraged that in line with the PAP resolution, the AU Heads of States and Government are going to meet in January 2018 to pass a protocol in Addis on the free movement of people.  I am sure that once the heads of state pass this protocol on the free movement of people, it will be our duty as national and regional Parliaments to domesticate that protocol so that the African passports can be easily rolled out to all African States.

It is not only the African Union which is concerned about free movement.  Europe, Asia, Australia and the Pacific are doing the same to make sure that the people on their continent can move freely.  At the African level, there are efforts to come up with what they call a global compact on migration which will be a common African position to the United Nations General Assembly in tackling migration issues and interstate movements.  As I am talking to you right now, at the next General Assembly of the UN next year, the common African position on migration is going to be presented with a view that it will be adopted by the UN as a UN protocol.  So, a lot of development is taking place in the area of migration and free movement of people. 

This motion is so critical and I think that members need to dock in and participate so that we further the objectives of the African Union and the objective of promoting an African citizen with only one singular passport so that cross border mobility whether for economic, social or political reason is made easier.  I thank you.

          HON. MLISWA: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I rise to support this noble cause for free movement in Africa but most important, to also ensure that as Zimbabwe, we are equally prepared for that.  While Africa is moving to ensure that there is free movement, our people moving freely across the other borders and so forth, this emanates from some documentation which is needed before they reach the Africa level.  As a result, I talk about the normal identification documents that people should have in this country so that they can be identified.       

          There is no point for Africa to be moving at a higher level yet we are not also coming up with reforms that ensure that our people from a domestic point of view also have to align themselves with that.  You know that the Ministry of Home Affairs is responsible for issuing passports in this country.  Equally, it is important that they are seen to be ensuring that national identity documents equally become accessible to everyone.  What is important is to also highlight the fact that this will also move to the aspect of one currency.  While there is an African passport, it must be augmented by ensuring that the currency that we use is one.  It is equally important from what Hon. Mashakada said that from an economic point of view, it certainly helps Africa in terms of attracting that necessary investment needed.  What is equally needed is that currency which we must all have access to.  It will certainly benefit us as Zimbabwe as well especially with the necessary economic reforms that are taking place. 

          You move to another country and your currency is not really accepted; there must be a currency which ensures that it supports that movement.  There is no need for people to move when there is no money, when you move you will be spending, you need money and so forth.  The aspect of the currency is equally important. 

          I also want to ensure that the aspect of crime must be cut down.  I think there is the aspect of understanding how they are going to curb down the aspect of crime so that people do not commit crime in another country and make it easy to get into another country.  So, I am sure they will put the necessary mechanisms to ensure that we do not have people jumping from one country to the other when they have committed crime and so forth.  The other issue which I hope will also be discussed is the issue of violence at the end of the day.  This certainly was supposed to happen yesterday not today, we are actually behind as Africa.  Some of the war-torn African countries and the various violence that is happening, how then are they going to be part of this?  There is the aspect of human rights too which I think from time to time gets violated by certain countries.  Equally, are they going to also be given that go ahead to be able to enjoy this free movement when they are not able to respect people’s rights and all that? 

          These are some of the issues which I think have got to be considered but if they have been considered, I think it certainly helps quite a lot.  It definitely brings about peace in Africa, it brings about togetherness and it makes Africa speak with one voice at the end of the day.  For a long time, Africa has been taken advantage of by the powers of this world because they are divided.  So, if this comes to fruition, it will be a sign of unity for Africa and a lot more will come through.  I thank you Mr. Speaker.

          *HON. CHINOTIMBA: Thank you Mr. Speaker.  I stood up to support this pertinent motion on free movement of African people in Africa.   It is a good thing that once we do that, we become liberated in our continent as Africans.  We can therefore not be used by other countries.  If we have access to free movement, it means as Africa we will be able to move around.  For example in Botswana, our cattle are gunned.  In terms of wealth, cattle are the wealth of African people but when they get to Botswana, they are shot down.  If there is free movement of Africans in Africa and we can now travel from one African country to the other, it will be possible for people to go and look after their cattle.

          Security must also be considered especially in countries that are experiencing wars; we have an example of Isis and other countries.  If there is free movement, every country should be able to see that we do not have infiltrations from such forces because they can go to other peace countries.  I think it is important that in Zimbabwe we are liberated, yes we can experience minor forms of violence even domestic violence but we cannot say that we do not live harmoniously.  So, the issue of people living together in a country is something that should be considered and be open so that the Isis and Boko Haram will not infiltrate us.

          As Hon. Mliswa said, if there is free movement, we will get challenges of people wanting to run away from their countries and coming as refugees.  We want that to be looked into.  In this nation, we have so many things that need to be addressed, issues that affect us such as wealth.  The people of this nation, as Hon. Mashakada said, we have people moving from one country to the other looking for jobs and greener pastures.  The way these people are treated is not good even in accessing passports in different areas and different countries; it is difficult for them to access passports.  It is as if they are entering a prison.  If we have one passport for all countries, continental passports, there will not be any challenges.  So, I stood up to say that free movement of all African countries is important and must be supported. 

          We should be careful on those fraudsters who are defrauding people. If we do not respect each other’s wealth, for example if our cattle stray into Botswana and are killed, it is not right because it causes war.  The issue of free movement should be discussed at AU and also issues of illegal immigrants or foreigners being ill-treated or harmed in foreign land causes war.   Why I say so is because they do not value the lives of people. Yes, the free movement is good but we should be careful of other people who want to cause conflict and wars.

What I am talking about here is that from the time that people were burnt down in Mozambique, even in Nigeria or South Africa, we never heard such matters. When you talk of free movement, it is a challenge because our people are being arrested and shot night and day. So, African leaders should sit down and discuss these issues to ensure that these murders taking place are put to an end for free movement to be enjoyed. I thank you.

HON. ADV. CHAMISA: Thank you very much Hon. Speaker. I am so excited that this motion has been moved by Hon. Mnangagwa on behalf of the delegation seconded by Hon. Dr. Mashakada. I wish to congratulate them for this very important report Hon. Speaker, but just to say that this is a very important report.

Hon. Maondera having been making noise

THE ACTING SPEAKER: Hon. Member, if you want to leave the Chamber you may just walk out.

HON. ADV. CHAMISA: I was saying this is a very important report particularly considering the fact that we are now in that phase where we must be talking about one history, vision, foresight and one continent philosophy reviving and resurrecting the Kwame Nkrumah perspective. Kwame Nkrumah as one of our founding fathers was very clear to say that to be able to move to the next stage, we want to see Pan-Africanism. We want African institutions for African people. We want African solutions to African problems. We want African perspectives to African contexts.

So, we want to celebrate this African perspective because as Africans, it is a travesty of justice to have a BBC Africa when we do not have our own radio station on the continent.  It shows you that we have not come of age as Africans to graduate from the level of just having solutions imposed on us without ourselves conceiving and coming up with our own solutions. This is a very important initiative because it speaks to African answers to African questions.

Not only that Hon. Speaker Sir, I want to say we probably need to extend the debate further and as we prepare for our Heads of State and Government when they meet in January, there are certain issues we must flag as the Parliament of Zimbabwe to pose to our Head of State representing Zimbabwe. I am sure elections would not have been done then. So, it will be President Mugabe but if it is after elections, whoever is going to be the President Hon. Speaker Sir, has to take a certain stance that would advance the Africaness of our solutions to our problems.

I would suggest that the fundamental thing we must do is what has been raised by Hon. Dr. Mashakada. Let us have a post-Berlin Conference.  Bismack drew colonial boundaries for us. We cannot allow Africa to be framed by Europeans in terms of our boundaries. We want Africa to be framed by Africans – [HON. CHINAMASA: Inaudible interjection.] – Hon. Chinamasa, do not provoke me.   I will …

THE ACTING SPEAKER: Order, Hon. Chamisa.

HON. ADV. CHAMISA: Thank you Hon. Speaker. He is my brother and he abuses me from time to time.

We need to go back and say, do we really need boundaries that are going to separate Mozambique and Zimbabwe?   Do we have these names that were imposed on us by colonialists as names that are consistent with an African agenda, particularly when we look at our history and future as a people? Hence, it is one thing to have a vision 2063 but are we also having the same vision in terms of what motivates and drives us as a people? We need to make sure that we move to a borderless Africa, we cannot do so without rolling back the frontiers of colonialism, the relics and manifestations of imperialism on the African continent.

What does it take for us to do this? We need to make sure that we come together as Africans and say there was the Berlin Conference by people in Germany, the Europeans to partition Africa. Let us de-partition Africa so that we are able to reverse the partitioning of Africa. Now, to be able to do that is very important because it is a radical shift. We do not want foreigners to impose frameworks on us – [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.] – I know that you are distorting my argument but hear me out. I am a pan-Africanist at heart, by disposition and I belong to a pan-African mindset and philosophy.

This is why Hon. Speaker Sir, there is no reason why we should not have access to the sea or ocean because it is very important for economic interests. We should not be negotiating with Mozambique or any other country. Look at the undersea cable that is around the continent. We have had problems because we are landlocked. Why are we landlocked?   We are landlocked on account of colonial boundaries.  We are landlocked but we are not brainlocked. We have to make sure that we unlock the landlockedness. How do we do so? Let us remove the boundaries that were drawn by colonialists but without necessarily saying we are doing away with our own other governments. It is possible.

Look at the model in the European Union. They have been able to make sure that they have a sustainable continental model. A model that speaks to economic aspirations of a nation. We need to make sure that we obliterate the Berlin Conference legacy on the African continent, otherwise we are just but portraying and perpetuating things that were imposed on us by colonialists and we need to move as a way of moving forward.

The second point Hon. Speaker Sir, is that you cannot have a passport for free movement without free citizenship. We want to make sure that if we are to have a holistic picture, let us not just talk about movement when we have no African citizenship. Let us have citizens in Africa and once we have citizenship in Africa, we are able to do away with the xenophobic attacks in South Africa. We are able to do away with the xenophobic attacks, the labeling and condemning of our people who are in the African continent on account of various reasons.

So, what do we need to do? In tandem with the issue of the passport for Africa, let us also have citizenship for Africa so that you will know that when you are an African, enter one enter all. You cannot be stopped from entering any country on the African continent. That is the pan-African dream. Let us have the pan-African dream and let the pan-African dream be driven from Zimbabwe so that we are able to then say as a country, we want Africans to have African citizenship.

I must be able to be comfortable when I go to Kenya in Swahili but we must also begin to talk about an African language because we cannot have African citizenship without a language. Language is an instrument and a vehicle to transact business. There was Swahili but we could then have that discourse to say what language is unifying for us. We have the francophone Africa and anglophone Africa. Why should it be Anglophone Africa? Why should it be francophone Africa? Let it be afrophone Africa so that we are talking about Africans with their own language, culture and lifestyle without necessarily being imposed on the African people.

Hon. speaker Sir, this is a very serious thing. It is a very serious debate but we cannot have African passports without having African citizenship, otherwise we will just be putting mascara on a frog hoping that it will beautify it. We will not beautify a frog by putting lipstick on a frog. We need to make sure that we have a holistic root and branch reform to make sure that the picture is complete on the African continent.

We must have the right to residence and establishment.  So, the issue of residence is very important if we are to then punctuate the issue of movement. You cannot have certain fundamental freedoms in part.  Let the freedoms be complete and total as we enjoy them.  I also want to say, even on our local mindset, Mr. Speaker Sir, we need also to bring the philosophy of free movement locally.  This is why we must immediately do away with the roadblocks that are not necessary, because it is the philosophy of free movement – charity begins at home.  If we have no freedom of movement on the roads, we cannot have freedom of movement on the borders.  Let us have freedom of movement on the roads so that we able to then have freedom of movement at the borders.  This is the message to the Ministry of Home Affairs, you are out of touch with the reality on the African Continent.  You are out of tandem with what is required on the African Continent. 

Please revise your mindset because your mindset is out of sync with what is obtaining on the Pan African philosophy – [AN. HON. MEMBER:  Yes, I know you agree with me.  Thank you very much.] – It is important for the mindset of our governors, the mindset of our Ministers and the mindset of our Government to also be in sync with the mindset on the African Continent.  This is going to be very important.

Last but not least Mr. Speaker Sir, are two fundamental issues we must also resolve so that we have the free movement passport being advanced in a proper manner.  It is a pity that Rhodes had a Pan African mindset ahead of ourselves.  The Cape to Cairo mindset – the Cape to Cairo vision is supposed to be resuscitated, not that I admire Rhodes but I admire good thoughts.  The good thought was that, let us have infrastructure on the African continent so that we facilitate trade.  Let us have good roads and good railways on the African continent.

When I was Minister of ICT, we used to grapple with many Heads of State, President Kagame and President Mugabe included.  I used to advise them to say, why do we not have termination of internet and calls on the African continent by having internet exchange points on the African continent.  Why should our calls terminate in Europe? If I am calling Malawi, the call goes to France before it gets to Malawi.  Our calls have to terminate on the African continent, how so - let us have our own internet exchange points.  That way, we are going to give meaning to the issue of an e-passport, the issue of an African passport.  Without infrastructure, we may not be able to do that. 

Why should we have problems with electricity when there is abundant electricity in DRC.  Let us have a signage of infrastructure, what I call the pillars of civilisation, the pillar of power, the pillar of energy, the pillar of communication and the pillar of water.  Let those pillars be on the African continent so that our people are able to enjoy and have these pillars of civilisation.  Most importantly, let us strengthen our institutions. I am glad that Pan African Parliament is doing very well, but it is the beginning.  Let us strengthen our standby force in circumstances where we have people who have caused undue suffering to their citizens.  The standby force has to come and deal with those culprits.  The responsibility to protect doctrine R2P has to be invoked.  When we have a person who has run mad or who has gone bonkers in terms of suppressing or oppressing own citizens, we must have standby force coming in, not to hide behind the veneer of sovereignty Mr. Speaker Sir.  We want people to be accountable.  If one is not accountable to the Africans, he is not accountable himself and he is not accountable to his own people. 

The issue of strong institutions is also very important.  Otherwise without African institutions, we cannot have a strong Africa, we cannot have one Africa.  Why should we have BBC Africa?  We need an African television station, we need an African radio station to articulate the vision for a new Africa, to articulate the vision for a one Africa.  That should be possible Mr. Speaker Sir.  We want to make sure that we are able also to build a strong African Development Bank which is already there, but we need to make sure that we strengthen it so that we are able to feed our own various economies so that we move into beneficiation.  We have world class industries on the African continent.  This is the dream for one Africa and I believe in this dream.  I hope that this dream will be supported by all of us.  Thank you very much.

HON. MANDIPAKA:  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  I want to congratulate Hon. Mashakada and Hon. Chamisa for bringing light to this particular debate.  They raised very fundamental points to this debate. To add on to what they have already said, I would also want to wish all political parties in Africa that participate in the political discourse to have that Africaness in them so that at the end of the day we do not cherish what comes out of Africa with Western values that promote neo-colonialism.  Mr. Speaker Sir, I would also want to say, the development of the e-passport is a welcome development, not only in Zimbabwe, not only in those countries that have been mentioned but in Africa as a whole.  It is important also to take note of the fore-fathers who fought neo-colonialism.  Our fore-fathers who fought the partitioning of Africa, especially in 1845 so that we remain one entity that is united.

When we have an e-passport in Africa, we are moving in the right direction.  Suffice to say Hon. Mliswa and Hon. Chinotimba made very important observations that as we introduce that e-passport, we need to have stringent security measures that will not expose countries to terrorism.  Our representatives who are participating in this debate in the Pan African Parliament...

HON. KATSIRU:  On a point of order Mr. Speaker.

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  What is your point of order?

HON. KATSIRU:  Mr. Speaker, I am here for Parliament business and Hon. Mukupe gets off his seat to come and insult me where I am sitting and threaten to kill me, for what, I do not know.  Can – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.] –

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Order please.

HON. KATSIRU:  Can you Mr. Speaker, protect me, though Mukupe threatens to do that, he is a small boy.  I want to appeal to you, I am here for Parliament business.  If he wants to rub shoulders with me, why can he not wait for me outside other than wasting this time that I am supposed to be in Parliament, insulting me.  I thank you Mr. Speaker Sir – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.] –

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Order, order please.  Can Hon. Mukupe approach the Chair please?  Hon. Mandipaka, you may resume your debate.

Hon. Mukupe approached the Chair.

HON. MANDIPAKA:  Mr. Speaker, it is unfortunate that the smooth flow of my debate has been disturbed but I want to support the concept – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.] –

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Order, please.  What is wrong?  Hon. Mandipaka you may proceed.

HON. MANDIPAKA:  Mr. Speaker, I was saying, the smooth flow of my debate has been disturbed quite a bit, suffice to say that we support as a Parliament the concept of e-passport in Africa...

HON. ADV. CHAMISA:  On a point of order Mr. Speaker.

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  What is your point of order?

HON. ADV. CHAMISA:  Mr. Speaker, this is a platform, a sacrosanct platform of Honourable Members.  When the honour in a Member is subtracted by another Member or any other force .... 

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Order Hon. Chamisa, just take your seat – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.] –

          THE ACTING SPEAKER: Order, order! Hon. Members.

          HON. ADV. CHAMISA: Thank you Hon. Speaker.  The point I had raised is really a point that is not poisonous, inimical or detrimental to the Business of Parliament but actually amplifies and augments Parliament.  Once an Hon. Member has raised an issue, in terms of our Standing Orders, it is a public issue.  For the integrity of the House, it has to then invite the intervention and ruling of the Hon. Speaker, because we cannot have attempted murder in Parliament.  We cannot have threats of violence in the House.  So, Hon. Speaker we enjoin your Chair to make a ruling in this matter, in the interest of protecting Hon. Members and the integrity of this institution.  This is one of the pillars of the State; a very important one; the one that stands last when all others have collapsed; the Parliament.  So, it must be respected. – [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections.] –

          THE ACTING SPEAKER: Order! Order, Hon. Maridaid.  Can we have order in the House please?  There is no debate on this issue, I am going to make a ruling.

          Hon. Maridadi having insisted on making a point of order.

          THE ACTING SPEAKER: I said no further debate on this one.  Hon. Maridadi, I have said no further debate on this issue.  I am going to make a ruling.  I think what I did was to ask Hon. Mukupe to go out for a while.  In terms of our Standing Orders Number 13, making an oral or written threat to a Member is not permissible in the Chamber. Hon. Katsiru, your point of order is considered. – [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections.] –

          THE ACTING SPEAKER: Order please!  Hon. Members, this is an allegation.  An allegation needs to be investigated.  Therefore we are going to look into it; we are going to investigate and come back to you.

          HON. MANDIPAKA: Thank you Mr. Speaker.  I was congratulating Hon. Advocate Chamisa, especially when he said it is high time that Africa should obliterate the remnants of the Berlin Conference.  What that statement, which is pregnant with facts means is that even in our politics we need to throw away the remnants of Western values and cultures that suppressed us yesteryear so that we take this Africanness in us.  Once we have that Africanness, we move together as one unit and solve our problems together as Africans.  That is my plea as I support the idea and concept of having a passport that cuts across boundaries so that at the end of the day we have free access and movement to all other African countries or countries that are near us. 

          It is unfortunate that you find in countries like Somalia - sometimes when there is war, people walk on foot to for example our country and they use illegal points.  Some die on the way and it is unfortunate for Africans to die in a savage manner of that nature.  The Pan African Parliament is trying to make a move in the positive direction that Africa stands as one unit.  This is the vision of people like His Excellency, the President of this country, Cde. R. G. Mugabe, the vision of Julius Nyerere and others who were active in fighting colonialism in this country.  I thank the Pan African Parliament for this noble idea.  Thank you.

          *HON. MACHINGURA: Thank you Mr. Speaker.  I stood up in solidarity with others on this pertinent debate that has had debate from eloquent Members who have knowledge on the subject.  As we proceed on this matter, let us not find ourselves falling in pitfalls. 

Let us look at the issue of unity and where it came from.  Out of Hitler in 1941 to 1945, his aim was to unite his nation.  After uniting his nation it was to find habitable areas for his people.  If he had succeeded, probably I would not be standing in this House in Zimbabwe but a Germany.  What he was using was Nerbend Rule which actually meant that we need to unite and have an empire under Germany unification.

It was a good idea as he thought of it but it actually led to his fall.  As we try and find ways of uniting one another, we should not forget the pitfalls, for example the Soviet Union, as we were growing up we knew the Soviet Union as USSR, meaning those people who were united like what we are advocating for today.  I do not know which passport they had to travel in their union, but as we speak today they are divided, I do not know what happened.

So, as we are also seeking to unite, we should be careful of things that divide us.  Again, when we look at the European Union, when it was formed, everyone thought that unity had come into place.  People thought that since there is the United States of America, they would be the United States of Europe.  A few years down the line, we realised that there was division among the European Union countries.  These are the pitfalls that I am talking about. As we want to proceed with our plans, let us be careful of the pitfalls.

Lastly, I would like to say the spirit of unity did not start only during these times I am talking about but it started long back during the time of Nimrod.  Nimrod was the king of Babylon.  They decided to build the Tower of Babylon to get to God.  They united and as they were planning to build a tower to heaven, that would take them to God.  It is said that they would have got to God if they had been left, but then a decision was reached as to what to do with them, then there was a spirit that came and divided them.  What happened there was that there were different languages which divided them. One said ‘good morning’ in French and the other one in Shona and already there was disunity.  This is what made the mission fail. 

If we unite in good things, we will succeed but we should be mindful of the division that may come due to pit holes. I thank you Mr. Speaker.

*HON. MACHINGAUTA:  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  I want to thank Hon. Mnangagwa for tabling the report which was seconded by Hon. Mashakada.  I agree with what Hon. Chamisa and the others said, that we need to have free movement on the African continent without any barriers.

My issue, Mr. Speaker Sir, is on the point we are talking about - what we want to do in Africa.  We should also address this in Zimbabwe so that there is free movement in Zimbabwe.  If a person leaves Harare with his MDC-T t-shirt, he should have free movement in Uzumba before we go outside the country.  So, we need to address this issue in our country first.  We want a person to have free movement in Mbare without fear of Chipangano.

Right now, we are faced with the forthcoming elections.  It has become difficult for us to access other areas.  You are requested to produce a letter from the village head, but we want free movement to go to those areas.  We want people to come to Zimbabwe and to have freedom.  There are threats of violence in this country.  My issue is that as Zimbabwe, we should first address free movement in Zimbabwe as well as association and then we can look at the continent as a whole.  I thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.

An Hon. Member having clapped his hands.

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Order.  He is out of order, clapping hands for that person.

*HON. MATAMBANADZO:  Thank you Mr. Speaker for giving me the opportunity to add my voice to the debate before the House brought by our dear mother Hon. Vice President’s wife, Hon. Mnangagwa seconded by Hon. Mashakada.  Mr. Speaker, it is important for us to share our ideas and enlighten each other in the way that we were enlightened, that Africa should emulate good processes that will enable other continents like Europe and the United States to admire the unity that we have.

Firstly, I thought that what we need to look at is the issue of investors.  For example, if investors are to come here and open a company, they need to get permits to operate for three months, five months or a year; it is taking long for them to get the permits.  So I think that should be addressed.  This is a stumbling block to the investors because it takes a year for a permit to be issued out, which is something that can be done in two days.  What I am requesting is that the issue should be addressed here in Zimbabwe in order for us to enhance the ease of doing business in countries such as Mozambique.  If such processes take long, it then brings in the issue of corruption.

Mr. Speaker, there is also another challenge that I think should be addressed; the issue of number plates, the number plates for foreign investors.  If you go to other countries like China, a foreigner has a different number plate from a citizen, so a foreigner cannot be arrested like what we do in this country.  That is what we do as if we are using that as ways of raising revenue.  A foreigner cannot be arrested in China for example.  A foreigner in China or other countries – if you are stopped at a roadblock, you are stopped in order to be advised on the law that you have broken and how to go about it.  They are not issued with tickets because they are visitors.  They have come to the country and are bringing in revenue.  So, they need to be treated well.

In Zimbabwe, for a Chinese to travel from Kwekwe to Harare and then go back, they have to be holding US$200 cash.  That, I think gives us a very bad image to foreign investors.  They do not like that and in the end they end up closing up their companies because of the money that they have to pay.  The Chinese in Kwekwe, the investors, are actually saying the money from us is greatly enjoyed by the police.  So I think that should be addressed on the matter that is before the House.

Let us talk about the citizenship that is being talked about here.  If five years elapse, a person gets citizenship; for example Zimbabwe is not a war stricken country and so investors as well as tourists want to come.  After five years, they want to stay here and they do not want to go back to their countries because our nation is a good one under the leadership of President Robert Mugabe.  Now, the leadership has put this nation on the market, but the challenge is that a person takes another five years for him to acquire citizenship.  So, I think that issue should be addressed in order to unite with other countries that are bringing in investors.

The investors in Africa - it is true that we need to treat them well.  They should not experience challenges in order to set up their companies here in Africa, but you know that they are investors that if they come here, you know we are a very clever country, our security is tight, we need to carefully look at the motive of the investor if they are not linked to the colonialists.

I have realised that the MPs on my left had a lot of complaints.  So we need to consider whether they have come with the Tony Blair motive or other countries that are against us.  We need to consider all those investors to ensure that they are here to perform good business and not to come and sabotage the country.  We do not want a situation whereby we end up closing up their companies because they are here for the wrong reasons.

  *THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Hon. Member, may you please debate in such a way that your debate is not centered on Zimbabwe but the world as a whole.

*HON. MATAMBANADZO:  Thank you Mr. Speaker.  There is also the issue of boundaries that were put by the Europeans during the scramble for Africa.  Hon. Chamisa gave an example of the scramble for Africa but I would like to say that when you see certain things being brought up by the left side of the House, we need to consider it as an august House.  We would want to check why all of a sudden they are going against their colonial masters.  They want us to be in conflict with the Mozambicans because of the boundaries that we have.  The boundaries between Zimbabwe and Mozambique were put by the Europeans.  Now if we want to re-draw these boundaries, will that not cause war? We need to be careful of some of these ideas that come from the other side because it is a bad idea.  It is not everything that was done by the Europeans that is bad.  We do not hate them to that extent.  What we hate is their behaviour of plundering our wealth and relegating us to poorer soils.

We kept the Constitution and we amended it so many times until we were able to come up with our own.  We are not going to be used as ZANU PF but we are here to represent our country and not to move boundaries.  I do not think it is neither a good idea nor unity in Africa.  Even Kwame Nkrumah who was very intelligent who never went to school and who the President refers to now and again that he was very clever would not agree to that.  He never said you should re-draw the boundaries.  I thank you.

*HON. MAPIKI:  I rise to add my support to the report that was tabled by Hon. Mnangagwa that is talking of free movement in Africa without victimization. 

I would like to thank Hon. Chamisa for his debate.  He spoke like Kwame Nkrumah and Julius Mwalimu Nyerere from Tanzania today.  The words he spoke about are the ones that were considered and deliberated on by the whole of Africa.  Hon. Chamisa’s words are in line with the liberators of Africa. Those people who fought for the liberation of Africa were looking at that issue of free movement without passports in Africa.  He also spoke about the issue of an army that deals with the whole of Africa.  I am sure Colonel Gadaffi also suggested this issue after realizing that Africa was now being targeted by the West.  Even the different challenges that people were facing that hindered unity should be addressed. It reflected that African countries have that spirit of unity.

On the issue of trade, there was the Preferential Trade Area that looked at countries in Southern Africa. After they deliberated again and agreed on it and it became SADC, they said that of these few countries, they should enable free movement as well as trade in goods without any restrictions – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.] –

*THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Hon. Members, let us listen to the debate on the floor please.  If you need to talk to someone next to you, please whisper.

*HON. MAPIKI:  Thank you Mr. Speaker.  Even in Africa, we realised that unity is important because in Southern Africa, we have SADC. If we go up there, we have ECOWAS that is united in terms of trade, security, infrastructure and energy.  The SADC looked at food security and other areas. They said each country should be able to grow food to feed its nation.  It also looked at the issue of transport and infrastructure in order to transport goods.  We need to sit down and see how this can be enhanced through railway and air infrastructure and also in relation to small to medium enterprises.  This should be addressed

On the issue of trade, we have COMESA. COMESA managed to sit down and deliberate on trade amongst different countries and bringing in goods without any taxes.  It is known as simplified trade regime form.  If a person has to go to Zambia and sell his goods, he is exempted from paying taxes through the simplified regime form.  A person can bring in goods worth US$500 into the country.  The Minister is telling me that it is now US$1 000.  This enhances trade between different countries because all countries in Africa are now under the small to medium enterprises sector.  This is an informal sector.  I am happy that the formalisation with the SMES is important because we have realised the contribution they made towards revenue.  This has encouraged other countries to sit down and look at their laws to ensure that no taxes are paid. 

COMESA, other countries like Zimbabwe, Zambia, South Africa is a bit of a challenge under COMESA and for Zimbabwe to have the same conditions as in Zambia is a bit of challenge.  So, in terms of trade, it enables different countries to trade amongst themselves without experiencing so many challenges.  The wealth of that country can be enhanced.  This is only possible if SADC and ECOWAS unite.  If we look at other countries within ECOWAS, they trade amongst themselves.  Here in the SADC, we will have challenges that some of the goods that we want from ECOWAS are being charged higher rates since we have no agreement.  If it is a passport, we are saying we want a passport that enables free movement on the issue of passports.  The greatest challenge was on the issue of refugees; the refugees from Somalia, Ethiopia and other different countries who are coming to Zimbabwe.  If they come to Waterfalls Transit Camp and have no passports, they are taken to Tongogara Refugee camp.  When they get there, they want to go to their countries but do not have passports.  So, they are considered as people who are stateless and yet they have their countries and have relatives in those different countries. 

          It also becomes difficult for them to get in touch with their nations.  So, I think having a continental passport will enhance the easy of doing business and also develop our nations. Since 1918, there was the League of Nations, it was the idea of unity that brought about the League of Nations and it also had an economic sense in it whereby it would enhance trade.  So, I think the issue of unity in terms of trade will assist us as Africa.  I thank Hon. A. Mnangagwa for giving us such a report, even though the report was now being distorted by some who were supposed to go to Tarshish but were going to Nineveh.  So, they will be swallowed by a fish and they will come back to Nineveh because the report was positive and it will still remain positive and a success.  I thank the way we are supporting the motion, I hope no one else will divert this important debate because this will divide Parliament.  I thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.

          HON. MUDARIKWA:  Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.  I also want to thank Hon. A. Mnangagwa, the mover of the motion.  Mr. Speaker, what is Africa?  Africa existed as Africa until the Berlin Conference, after the Conference we now have the Francophone countries.  Our major problem with colonisation of the Berlin Conference was within Africa because we do not respect each other.  People who moved from Malawi to Zimbabwe who have some of their descendants here, at one time were looked down upon by other people who thought they were better Africans. 

          Africa remains what it is because this is the wish of our colonisers.  If today we say every African can move freely from Cape to Cairo, the trade within Africa and the amount of tourism in Africa will grow; this is what our former colonial masters do not want.  We were colonised by the British; most of our former British colonies take pride that we are better than this other country because we were colonised by Britain.  We look down on former Portuguese colonies and say they were colonised by Portugal.  What we want as Africa is free movement without any hindrance and also removal of duty on certain commodities which are produced in Africa, because there is no movement without any economic activity.   You cannot just be moving without any trade activity.  So, if there is any movement in Africa it must be backed by an economy activity.

          Those people who fought for the independence of Africa, just to mention a few Kwame Nkurumah, Amilcar Cabral, Ben Beira Sekuthele, Julius Nyerere, Samora Machel, Nelson Mandela, Robert Sobhugwe; their desire was to see a free Africa where anyone can move.  That freedom of movement must also be associated with the free trade because if there is no free trade, I cannot move from Cape to Cairo without trading; doing what?  I must be a tourist and a trader. 

          If you look at The Merchant of Venice, you must understand that for any economy to grow there must be movement of people which will then create economy.  On Inter African Trade and information, we do not have a single African newspaper which talks about Africa and say this is Africa. Broadcasting services like World News, CNN, BBC, Radio Deutsche Welle et cetera, what they highlight in Africa is wars in Africa.  They do not highlight that we have, Hon. Chamisa who was at one time the youngest Minister in Zimbabwe in charge of ICT.  They do not highlight that but always want to highlight wars in Africa.  They do not want to highlight that there is intellectual development of young Africans. 

This passport will need also to include the Africans in the diaspora because the intelligence, economic intelligence of all brothers and sisters in the diaspora is what has made America; all those sports persons, footballers, boxers et cetera.  Most of the boxers like Mohammad Ali, are all of African descent, they must come to Africa freely without any hindrance.  

          There is also need to control certain cultures that are un-African, we cannot get an African moving freely in African when you encourage homosexuality; it is un-African.  When you go through the history of African, there is never been anything to do with the homosexuality, it must be condemned.  It must be condemned because it is un-African.  So, these are some of the fundamentals that we must do as Africans.  We must also be able to contain religious fanatism. Fanatics are sponsored by extremists and if you look at Africa today, all the bombings that are happening in some of the countries in Africa are done under the banner religion.  It is also under the banner of religion that Africa was colonised; it is also under the banner of religion that African is deprived of its economic benefits.  

There are certain agreements that we have allowed to pass through in this Parliament like the Trade Agreement of the ACP and the Caribbean Countries.  When you look at the countries that are within the ACP and Caribbean that go to Brussels for a conference et cetera, these are the poorest countries in the whole world.  You look at the ACP and the Caribbean, that is where you get the poorest countries in the whole world, but they are called to Belgium and told we are together, we want to negotiate.  We must negotiate - any economic agreement must be done under the auspices of the African Union, because I remember when Zimbabwe was exporting beef to Europe, we were negotiating with Europe, and we were not negotiating with London. 

So, it is important that as Africans move freely, there must also be free trade agreements.  There must also be free movement in terms of power, as has been mentioned.  We have countries with excess power like now there is a drought in East Africa but we have got a lot of food here in Zimbabwe.  East Africans are going to Brazil to buy maize.  Why, when we have excess maize in Zimbabwe but people are going to Brazil.  So, this colonial mentality must be destroyed.  We must also look at ourselves and say, here we did it wrong now, we must now correct it.  I also want to thank the other people who have contributed on this motion. This is a very important debate because through movement, you are able to sell and do a lot. We start from our constituencies and bring vegetables to Harare which we then move to Zambia and DRC within a space of 24 hours. So, if we were taking them there, we would benefit a lot.

          I want to conclude Mr. Speaker Sir and say, Africa belongs to the Africans. This whole idea of having foreign engineers and doctors coming to this country does not work. We have enough manpower to develop Africa. Thank very much.

          HON. NDUNA: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I bring you greetings from Khartoum, Sudan, Mr. Speaker. I want to congratulate the mover of the motion Hon. Mnangagwa and the seconder, Hon. Dr. Mashakada. As I drove from the airport, I was listening to the report which was pregnant with a lot of constant and consistent information which speaks to and about the development of the African continent. What I need to say is that this should be the starting point of continental integration which we can use our own national agendas as a springboard for that continental integration and our own regional agendas as a springboard for continental unification and integration. This should certainly not be undermined.

All other points have been well ventilated in terms of continentally internally displaced citizens because they do not have any registration certificates, let alone the passports to take them through these artificial borders. This passport Mr. Speaker Sir, it is my fervent view that it can create, once again the seamless borders. You would recall that we used to have southern and northern Nyasaland. We used to have borders which we then created as artificial borders whereas Malawi, Zambia and Zimbabwe now have separate passports. As a starting point, I think it is very noble to create a passport. However Mr. Speaker Sir, I also add my voice to that we as a regional body that encompasses 14 countries as SADC, we can have a starting point there of creating a passport for the SADC region and allow other regional bodies to have a passport of their own. At that point, we then try to get them to be embedded together as regional bodies to form one union as an African body.

Hon. Mapiki spoke about the initiation of such a noble venture by the late President Muammar Gaddafi. When you stand for such values, ethos and development, one needs to have a bold heart because this is not for the faint hearted. We saw that when the late President Muammar Gaddafi stood for the total emancipation of the African continent and maybe the integration of the same, he paid the ultimate price with his life Mr. Speaker Sir, because the neo-colonialists and the former colonisers and the westerners do not take kindly to such integration. They know that if Africa gets to be one, speak with one voice, travel with one document and are integrated they are more powerful than they are in a disintegrated manner.

I will take you immediately to the acronym TEAM which speaks to ‘together each achieves more’. If we come in as one Africa, in particular using a passport and this document, we are certainly going to be formidable. Who would want the west if we come together because as Africa we are the second largest or the largest producer of platinum the whole world? We produce 80% of platinum in terms of wealth Mr. Speaker. If we have a ubiquitous amount of wealth, this is the start of economic emancipation and development. So, this is the beginning of all development if we have economic emancipation.

If we come together as Africans we certainly can do away with the west. If we come together trading amongst ourselves, we certainly have enough oil, diamonds and platinum, which platinum speaks to the establishment and development of the converters that we use on automobile. This speaks of reduction and amelioration of the carbon gases. It is called the catalytic converter. We are producing what is required by the whole world. So, if we come together as a continent we will certainly not need the western countries. We can trade amongst ourselves, aware that all automobiles around the world require the catalytic converters whose raw material we are endowed with as Africa.

Mr. Speaker Sir, together as Africa we have got the largest production of gold, uranium and all other minerals. We need to self-introspect and say what it is that is keeping us apart. We need to make sure that if it is documentation or the passport, let us make sure we have one passport. I was seated just now with the Minister of Transport and Infrastructural Development. When we landed in Lusaka, we saw an establishment and I believe they are trying to take after him having established an aviation hub in Victoria Falls. As long as we come together as Africa, we can copy from one another in terms of infrastructure development. Zambia has seen from the Minister of Transport the infrastructure in Zimbabwe, how an aviation industry can be developed in terms of infrastructure. I saw that they are certainly trying to make sure that they replicate what we established in Victoria Falls in Lusaka.

That as it might be Mr. Speaker Sir, like attracts like. When we landed at Khartoum, there was nothing to talk about in terms of infrastructure but there were so many aircrafts that were landing and taking off. We can learn from other African countries what it is that makes their aviation industry tick if we come in together and establish one document that is going to talk of movement. Mr. Speaker Sir, whilst we were in Sudan, we also spoke so eloquently about human rights which were centred on women’s rights.  I dare say that as Zimbabwe, we certainly are miles ahead in terms of advancing human rights and women’s rights in particular.  Other countries can learn from us if we establish a document that is going to have us have seamless borders in terms of establishing women’s rights in their countries or in their areas of jurisdiction, in terms of best practices of having women’s rights and gender agenda established in their countries of jurisdiction.

Mr. Speaker Sir, as I conclude, the issue of having seamless borders and a document that speaks to and about the unification of Africa and African States can also get us to learn on how other countries have done in terms of establishing their own local currency.  No matter how much the US dollar is being used in other jurisdictions in the African continent Mr. Speaker Sir, those countries have their own local currency.  How can we benefit from the unification of Africa and establishment of this document?  We can get to ask how they have gone about establishing a local currency using their God given natural resources.  Mr. Speaker Sir, we have moved around in other jurisdictions and have seen that their local currency runs parallel to the US dollar. 

I have this suggestion for Zimbabwe, that we allow nationals and foreigners to buy in the areas of the geographical locations of the special economic zones using cash in US dollars so that 90 percent of that cash, those who want to repatriate it hundred percent in terms of capital repatriation plus profits, they are able to do it.   They are mandated to bank ten percent of all their proceeds arising from transactions in those geographical locations.  In that way Mr. Speaker, you are not starving your banking sector and those investors are able to repatriate their investment that they would have brought into the country.  Why do I say so?  Because as we speak, the banks are starved of the much needed foreign currency because the money is circulating in the informal sector other than the banking sector.  This is what we can learn from other countries Mr. Speaker Sir. 

As a suggestion, I make a clarion call that there be usage of cash in designated areas but ten percent of that cash finds its way into the formal banking sector so that we can have an economy ticking again.  We can formalise the informal sector but in the same vein be able to repatriate the investment without any flaws.  Aware that at some point Mr. Speaker Sir, there used to be travel allowances that were allowed on individuals that amounted to about US$5 000, alas we can no longer export such an amount because the money is circulating in the informal sector.  This is how we can bring it into the formal sector. 

Mr. Speaker Sir, I want to thank you for allowing me to debate on this very noble report that has been brought up here.  I ask all Hon. Members to partake in this debate and call vociferously and effectively for the established of an integrated Africa through the establishment of this passport.  I thank you.

HON P. D. SIBANDA:  Thank you Mr. Speaker for allowing me to also air my voice to this very important report that concerns free trade.  Coming from a marginalised area like Binga and from a country wailing with poverty like Zimbabwe, Mr. Speaker, there is no way that I can ignore debating a report on free trade.  I understand free trade has a concept of opening up borders for purposes of exchange of goods and services between different countries.  Mr. Speaker, I believe that free movement of goods and services between borders and boundaries has the effect of improving the welfare of citizens, especially like I have indicated.

  I come from a marginalised area, I come from a country that is wailing in poverty and the Africa Wealth Review that was made in 2016 indicates that in terms of poverty levels, Zimbabweans are the poorest people, not only in Africa but in the world as a whole.  Therefore, it is important that we come up with measures that can assist us to ensure that we take away our people from the level of poverty that we find ourselves in ...

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Order please.  Hon. Member, have you taken sight of the report?

HON P. D. SIBANDA:  Yes Mr. Speaker.

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  So, please debate within the report.

HON P. D. SIBANDA:  Mr. Speaker, I stand guided maybe I can get your guidance.  I thought the report is on free trade and free movement of people in Africa.

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  No, can I guide you?  The report is about promoting free movement of people and then  passports in Africa.  You may throw in here and there but stick to the motion.

HON P. D. SIBANDA:  Mr. Speaker, honestly from an economist’s point of view .....

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Yes, I have allowed you to start from there but go back to the motion.

HON P. D. SIBANDA:  Thank you Mr. Speaker.  It is my view that there should be free movement of people and goods between boundaries because each time that people are moving, they do not move on their own, they move with their goods as well.  So, it is important that there is that free movement.  Mr. Speaker, it is my view that movement need to be relaxed between boundaries and between people because that enhances the capacities of individuals.  For example, right now I was seeing in the newspapers that the Hon. Minister of Home Affairs was telling Zimbabweans that they should be patient because they are working on new permits in South Africa to ensure that the Zimbabwean migrants that find themselves in South Africa will be able to stay freely.  That is a concept of free movement between neighbourly countries.

Mr. Speaker, as we promote that concept of free movement, it is important that as countries that are in Africa, we also take serious introspection of why is it that people have got to move.  Are they moving for the good of the country that they are moving from and for the good of the country that they are moving to so that our movement does not become a movement without basis or that is going to negatively affect the countries that people are moving to?  Mr. Speaker, it is my view that in a continent like Africa that is so much full of poverty, like I indicated earlier on; it is important that free movement of people is enhanced.  Countries should exercise peer review and accountability to each other so that the movement of people between countries does not affect one country against the other.  This situation can be seen in our current situation where we have close to three million Zimbabweans that are in South Africa.  Therefore, it is important that as a concept of peer review, South Africans and Zimbabweans should sit down and ask themselves whether this free movement that is being made by Zimbabweans into South Africa is benefiting or is mutually beneficial to both countries or not.  What we realise Hon. Speaker is that if there is no peer review, we are going to see a scenario where a Deputy Minister like what we had in South Africa saying that some areas of Johannesburg are occupied by 80% of foreigners in that country.  This becomes actually unfair as well in terms of the usage of resources, especially the social amenities of that country by people that are coming as economic refugees.

          If we exercise the concept of peer review and peer accountability to each other, what it would mean is that as Africans, there would be time when the leadership of African countries would sit down and start to ask each other “kuti ko vanhu vako varikutiza chii kunyika yako.”  Why is it that they are all moving from your country, coming to my country?  Why can you not also put up the conditions that are necessary in your country to ensure that we also begin to see South Africans moving into Zimbabwe looking for greener pastures, rather than for us to have uni-directional movement from certain countries to other countries? I think that kind of movement Hon. Speaker, is not free movement.  We cannot call it free movement when people are actually moving from one place to another as a result of push factors, rather than merely the pull factors that are existent in the area of their destination.

          Therefore, peer review and accountability amongst countries is necessary to ensure that conditions in all countries become the same.  When we are talking about free movement Hon. Speaker, I think it is also associated with the concept of democracy.  There is no way we can talk about free movement without talking about the concept of democracy. 

You will realise that in countries that are democratic, we have seen it in South Africa, it is easy that if a person that has come from another country comes into South Africa and they are trying to force that person to go back to their country of origin, they are able to approach the courts of law.  The courts of law are able to restore and pronounce the rights of those people.  However, in a country where there is no democracy Hon. Speaker, what it means is that even the courts of law cannot pronounce the rights that are bestowed upon the people by the laws. So, as we are talking about free movement between countries Hon. Speaker, it is important that the concept of democracy can be entrenched in the African countries. 

Democracy on its own can be seen.  Indicators of democracy include the concept of free, fair and peaceful elections.  Hon. Speaker, some of the movements that we are seeing, for example, if you go to countries like South Africa, you find a lot of Sudanese and a lot of people coming from countries that are generally regarded as non-democratic.  What happens is that when a country is not democratic, its people will start to migrate from that country or its people will remain confined in prisons as what is currently obtaining in the nation of Zambia.  The opposition leader has no free movement.  He has been in prison for a long time and that is actually an indicator that democracy is dying in Zambia, no wonder why you find that most people are actually being confined to prisons rather than to have the concept of free movement. 

Hon. Speaker, it is my view that free movement is entangled with the concept of democracy.  Free movement also depends on the leadership of each and every country that we have in Africa.  I think it is easier for younger kind of leadership to be innovative, creative and allow free movement of people between nations as what is happening in Europe.  We know that the European Union allows free movement of people amongst their countries without so much hindrance.  When you look at the average age of the leadership of Europe, it is basically around 40 years old.  That is the average of the Presidents and Prime Ministers that are in Europe.   So, I believe that the concept of free movement is associated with innovativeness and the age of the leadership because the older the leaders are the less the innovative they are and therefore movement of people will be hindered and restricted. 

Hon. Speaker, it is my view that Africa has got to catch up.  As we are debating this concept of free movement, let us be able to say that when we freely move to France, we should be able to look at what age the President is there as compared to our own President, be it we are coming from Zambia or Mozambique. 

The concept of free movement of people cannot just be a concept that will exist without us gaining something from wherever people are moving to.  When people move from one country to another, there is something that they are supposed to learn from that country for the improvement of their own country of origin.  So, Hon. Speaker, I believe that as I indicated, the average age of European leadership is about 40 years but in Africa the average age is about 75 years.  If you look at the correlation between the concept of free movement and age of the leadership, you will find that these are positively correlated.  The older the leadership of a country is, the more restrictive it is because with age, they do not only get better but become more suspicious about anything, even movement of people such that they tend to restrict the movements of people. 

Hon. Speaker, it is my view that this report on the free movement of people is important but people should not only move between countries but should also move between positions.  When you are as old as 80 years like Mudede, it is important Hon. Speaker to move into retirement and do not remain…

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Order, you are out of order now Hon. Member.  Let us debate substance.

HON. P. D SIBANDA:  Thank you Hon. Speaker, but we are talking about free movement including passports.  Passports in this country are offered by the department of the Registrar General.  So, we are saying that movement should not only be between physical geographical areas but it should also be between certain spaces as well.  There is no way one person can continue to occupy a professional office up to the age of 80 when the retirement age of a country is actually supposed to be 65 years.  So, we are saying that person is supposed to move from Makombe building and go to the farm.  That is free movement.  We need to promote that kind of movement Hon. Speaker.

THE ACTING SPEAKER:  Order Hon. Member, I am sure you have run out of ideas.  So, let us hear other people debate.

HON RUNGANI: Mr. Speaker Sir, I move that the debate do now adjourn.

HON. MKWANGWARIWA: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume:  Wednesday 19th July, 2017.

On the motion of HON. RUNGANI seconded by HON. D. SIBANDA, the House adjourned at Twenty-five Minutes to Five o’clock p.m.

           

 

 

 

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