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Wednesday, 20th June, 2012.

The House of Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two O'clock p.m.



MR. SPEAKER (in the Chair)



MR. SPEAKER: I wish to inform the House that today soon after Question Time, the Honourable Minister of Tourism and Hospitality Industry will issue a Ministerial Statement on the state of preparedness of the country on the hosting of the United Nations World Tourism Conference. In the process, the Minister will give a comprehensive response to Question No. 13 on today's Order Paper, hence this question should not be called out during Question Time.


MR. SPEAKER: I would like to remind hon. members that the Voluntary, Counselling and Testing Programme will be held on Friday from 0900 hours until later in the day. Members are advised to register their interest with the relevant persons as indicated in yesterday's announcement.


MR. MAZIKANA: Mr. Prime Minister Sir, what is the Government policy towards livestock in drought stricken regions in our country, for example, the current state in Matabeleland. Thank you.

THE PRIME MINISTER: Thank you very much Mr. Speaker. Before I respond to the honourable member's question, let me take this opportunity to congratulate our national team on winning against Burundi. We hope that in more matches to come, successes of that nature will be forthcoming. Secondly, I just want to say that we are rounding up the 4th Session of Parliament. We want to congratulate every Member of Parliament on their contribution, notwithstanding the disappointing presence of regular participation by our ministers. I promised in the last session that we will have to call the ministers to order. I hope that in the next session, they will be greater presence of the Executive.

Coming to the question of livestock in the country; there is no policy. The policy has already been articulated by the Ministry of Agriculture that this year, we face a serious drought and in a serious drought situation, livestock are also affected especially in the regions that you have mentioned. So there is a cabinet task force to look at how we can save our livestock. I am sure that they are putting in place mechanisms to ensure that the livestock is moved from drought areas to where there is sufficient grazing or feed. I am sure that the Minister of Agriculture will give full details, but this is what I understand the policy of Government to be and what we have adopted in Cabinet. Thank you.

MR. CHEBUNDO: Right Hon. Prime Minister, as leader of the Government of the Republic of Zimbabwe, what is your position with respect to utterances by senior defence officers that they will not respect the outcome of any election where another party other than ZANU PF wins?

THE PRIME MINISTER: Mr. Speaker, this issue has been in the national media and in the public domain mostly around utterances by a few individuals. I have often stated here that we have to distinguish between institutional mandates as opposed to individual attitude. I want to state here that those utterances by a few individuals do not undermine the patriotic Zimbabweans who are serving in the army, police force or in the intelligence services, the majority of whom are committed to upholding the Constitution and the protection of the people of Zimbabwe. It is disturbing therefore, that given such utterances, people are prone to make conclusions, conclusions that may appear as undermining the mandate of the people. Far from it, I think we must all appreciate that as long as we are a constitutional democracy, different institutions of State have different roles. However, I must say that - I just want to quote here the minutes of a meeting that was recently held by one of the district police meetings. " The Chairman reminded the House that every member of the force should be aligned to ZANU (PF) as the police force is part and parcel of the Defence Forces. The Defence Force has one Commander-in-Chief who is His Excellency, The Head of State and Government, Cde. Robert Gabriel Mugabe. All members of the Defence Forces are expected to pay allegiance to him hence aligning to ZANU PF."

He further told the House that the inclusive Government does not affect the force as there is no inclusivity in the police force. So the force remains under ZANU PF. Members were told to be wary of MDC-T members who go about recruiting members of the Defence Forces to be their agents. He emphasised that there is no place for such people in the ZRP. If a member wishes to participate in opposition politics, he or she is free to leave the force. I am quoting verbatim. Some of the activities of our Defence Forces that are not in line with the law, the Police Act as well as the Defence Act - if we are a country that is there to be ruled by law, then surely those who are in charge of these institutions must continue to preach that we must uphold the rule of law. Now, for me, I think it will be against the principle of running a free and credible election if such an attitude becomes the norm because at the end of the day, why go to an election if people make that declaration.

I want to say that I think one of the serious reforms that is required is the re-alignment of our security establishment to respect the will of the people, to respect the security of the vote, to respect the security of the persons and of course to respect the mandate of the people. Otherwise there is no reason why we should go for elections; to me this is a deal breaker. I want to say that if this country has to move to a free, fair and legitimate election, and the good of the country, then we must actually desist from these kinds of utterances because they undermine the very basis of a democratic Government and a democratic society. So to answer the honourable member, let us distinguish between the individual attitudes as opposed to institutional mandate and institutional roles that are defined in the Constitution and in the law. I thank you.

MR. MAZIKANA: Mr. Prime Minister, would I be correct to assume that you are a prophet who brought a quotation to a question that was raised during question time? - (laughter)-

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order, what is your supplementary Hon. Mazikana?

MR. MAZIKANA: My supplementary is with regards to the Prime Minister quoting verbatim a quotation, it shows that he knew that the question was going to be raised….

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order, are there any further questions?

*MR. MUZA: What measures has Government put in place to alleviate the problems of cotton farmers with regard the crops they have

harvested. I would want to find out what the Government has put in place to deter the occurrence of such problems in future.

THE PRIME MINISTER: Mr. Speaker, I am sure that all those Members of Parliament who come from cotton growing areas are concerned about the current plight. I am sure that Government is also aware of this. The problem started when we liberalised the cotton market, 'njake-njake'. Now, Government cannot liberalise and go back to controlling, you cannot have on one hand liberalisation and on the other hand try to control. That is the predicament we face. In future, what is important is to lay the basis of subsidy; a subsidy to inputs so that farmers do not suffer the fluctuation of the marketing price. What is happening now even if Government was going to set a price in a liberalised environment is that the marketers do not want to buy that cotton. We will still be in the same situation.

I am sure that there have been so many representations that have been made, and I am aware that Government has already set in motion to try to set the floor price. The tragedy we face is that there is an attempt to try to force farmers to sell at any price and I think that should be resisted. There is no way having put a year's effort to then try to set a price which we do not agree with as growers. What it only means is, if the Government wants to see a vibrant cotton industry, it must then lay the basis for either supporting the subsidy or support the mechanism for marketing of that cotton and further develop downstream industries in those areas. At the moment I know that even if Government is going to set a price, you cannot enforce it to marketers who are ganging up against each other for the lowest price.

MR. ZHUWAO: I acknowledge the Prime Minister's response with regards to subsidies. Does his response not contradict what the Minister of Finance has said with regards to there being no Government support for agriculture?

THE PRIME MINISTER: I do not recall the Minister of Finance saying I am not going to support agriculture. The fact is that the Minister of Finance has put together $1.9 billion in the last year on agriculture, so that cannot be true. $1.9 billion is a lot in terms of our budget allocation. If I may just answer directly to the hon. member; supporting agriculture does not mean that you support through subsidies. It means that you put in place mechanisms to ensure that farmers are independent and that they are not dependant entirely on Government subsidies. What we must do is not to support the marketing, but actually to support the input price which the minister has put in terms of $450 million input price.

MR. JIRI: Hon. Prime Minister, can you update this House onthe current position on ethanol project in Chisumbanje?

THE PRIME MINISTER: The current position regarding the ethanol project is that the future of energy needs can only be satisfied through ethanol. Therefore, that project is of such national importance that we want to see it exist and even expand. The problem is not about ethanol, the problem arises out of the arrangement between ARDA and Green fuels, the company that is responsible for taking over all the Middle Sabi area under ARDA without Government sanction. That is where the problem is, it is like shutting the door when the horse has already bolted. We need the fuel, but at the same time we are questioning the arrangement between Government and the company where Government is expected to, not in a project financing basis but on a 30% participation. That is where the argument is and I am sure that we are dealing on that particular aspect in terms of what Government's share in that project is going to be. I do not want to go into detail with regards to the initial discussions around that project because I think a lot of it is really suspect. However, it is a project that we should all support, it is a project that we should see expand, but I think we need to correct the initial ownership structure. That is of great concern to Government.

MR. MUTOMBA: Thank you Mr. Speaker, what is the Government policy towards a seemingly avalanche of foreign drugs as well as herbal drugs that have invaded the drug market in the country? Are these drugs coming through the Zimbabwe Medicine Control Authority?

THE PRIME MINISTER: I cannot respond specifically to your question Hon. Mutomba, but I know that all drugs that are of use to this country are approved by a drug council. There has to be a control, otherwise you will have a plethora of drugs. Without any specific reference to what kind of drugs which the Minister of Health should be able to deal with, I know there is a mechanism to control any drugs that should be used by Zimbabweans. I am sure that should be the mechanism to follow.

MR. SPEAKER: May the hon. member re-direct that question in writing to the relevant minister.

MR. R. MOYO: Thank you, Hon. Prime Minister, what measures have been taken to mitigate food deficit situation in some provinces especially Matabeleland and Midlands? 
THE PRIME MINISTER: Thank you Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier the drought situation is a reality in the country. We have already put in place mechanisms to respond to those areas that have deficit supply especially mechanisms to move from surplus areas to deficit areas. Apart from the fact that we actually need to import almost

500 000 tonnes of maize, hopefully from Zambia, the situation on the ground is that our problem is the state of roads and the transporters who would want to increase their charges because of the state of the roads. That does not mean we should make our people starve, I am sure that some mechanism with the taskforce will be found to make sure that no one starves. So there are mechanisms to make sure that we move the grain from areas that have surplus to areas with a deficit.

MS. A. NDHLOVU: Hon. Prime Minister, what is Government policy with regards to children living with disabilities being able to have a normal childhood like the rest of the population, as well as citizens of this country living with disabilities; taking cognisance of the fact that there are very few schools which cater for children with such disabilities and there is not a single university or tertiary institution that takes care of people living with disabilities. I thank you.

THE PRIME MININSTER : Just last Saturday, 16th June, 2012, we were participating in a programme on children with disabilities. The programme centred on how to protect, to promote and to fulfill the plight of children living with disabilities. I am sure it demonstrates Government's commitment, not only to be aware of the problems these children are facing at various levels, but also what Government can do, in a limited way because we cannot resolve every case. It also calls upon the Zimbabwean society; from the families, communities, the corporate world, the Government and other interested institutions to ensure that we do not only feel sympathetic for these children, but that we provide mechanisms for them to have a normal upbringing. Government is very committed and the celebration was a way of demonstrating that commitment.

MR. DZIRUTWE : Hon. Prime Minister, Bulawayo and Harare have had perennial water problems. Has Government got anything comprehensive in place to deal with the situation in the two cities?

THE PRIME MINISTER : I am sure that the Minister being present, should be able to answer that specific question. However, let me say that our biggest problem is not about water but it is about procurement of pumps and supplies. I am sure that there is already a proposal coming to Cabinet to deal with these matters of the delays that we confront with the procurement board and the procedures that are lengthy. A typical example is the Mtshabezi water project; how can we be talking about Mtshabezi water supply to Bulawayo, six months down the line when it should have been long opened. Why, because it has taken us six months to procure pumps for that and I think it is ridiculous for us to continue with those archaic laws that actually delay progress.

As for Harare, I am sure that on Friday, we will be opening the new water treatment plant in Harare and hopefully, that should be able to deal with the water supply problems in Harare. The real big concern is Bulawayo, which from time to time, has been facing this perennial water problem.

MR. SITHOLE: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, Hon Prime Minister how is Government prepared in terms of climate change vis-a-vis global warming.

THE PRIME MINISTER: You are aware that His Excellency, the President is attending the Rio Summit and hopefully he will bring some solutions to global warming. It is not a country specific problem, but a global threat. We are merely victims of actions beyond even our control. So, the Zimbabwean Government cannot have a specific response to climate change. What is needed is a collective responsibility of the whole global village to deal with this matter and I am hoping that those attending the Rio summit will come with progressive solutions to this problem.

MR. KANZAMA: Hon. Prime Minister, I am a bit worried about the mushrooming of schools all over. Is it Government policy that anyone can open a school anywhere because it is now causing problems where some children are failing to write examinations and parents are being deprived of their hard earned money?

THE PRIME MINISTER : This is a matter for the Ministry of Education, however, before any school is opened, it surely is the mandate of the Ministry of Education to control the opening of schools. However, I think the parents should be very careful and not just send their children to anything being called a school. I am sure that Zimbabwe has sufficient school capacity to absorb all the children. Where there are limitations, I am sure that the Ministry of Education, especially in urban areas where there is even more than the required number, should be able to deal with that. I am quite sure when the Minister of Education is here, he should be able to answer whether these schools are actually licensed and what basis of the license is. I am sure we should be able to find an answer to that.

MR. CHIKWINYA: Hon. Prime Minister, there have been conflicting statements from stakeholder ministries involved in the ESSAR deal. May you please update us on what mechanisms have been put in place so far which will see ESSAR becoming operational?

THE PRIME MINISTER: Mr. Speaker, again like Chisumbanje Ethanol Plant, the ESSAR deal has been resolved by Cabinet. There are two Ministries that are involved which are, the Ministry of Industry and Commerce and the Ministry of Mines. The stumbling block was ESSAR's position that they cannot open ZISCO without access to Manhize where there are iron ore deposits. There is a block there which ESSAR was interested in, which the Ministry of Mines was trying to resist. Cabinet has resolved that they must be given that on condition that we jointly evaluate the amount of iron ore in that block because that is the only thing that we have got.

So, in order to negotiate and sell that to ESSAR, we needed to quantify the amount of iron ore that is there. Otherwise that is the only stumbling block, but as far as we are concerned, that project should proceed once ESSAR has got access to that. Why? Because ESSAR wants long term access to reliable sources of iron ore and the only way they can do that is to have access to that block. Of course, the amount of iron ore in that block is larger than what they are asking for. Maybe through future geological surveys we should be able to, may be through future geological survey you should be able to judge how much I owe as a whole should be available to ESSAR. As far as the project of ESSAR is concerned, there should not be any conflict, there is no threat to that project and I can assure you.

MR. MADZIMURE: Thank you Mr. Speaker, can the Prime Minister enlighten this House why the Ministry of Industry and Commerce went ahead to sign an agreement especially of forming a company like Zim Minerals which had to do with the minerals without the involvement of the Ministry of Mines.

THE PRIME MINISTER: ESSAR is a steel making company which inherited the whole ZISCO Steel operations as well as the deposits of Buchwa and Ripple Creek, those should assure inputs, raw materials of five years, they have a long term view and that is why they went to the Manhize deposit for long term viability of the project. The Ministry of Industry which is the parent Ministry of this plant, negotiated on the basis that access to these deposits was already guaranteed. Unfortunately at a later stage Ministry of Mines then said we need to regularise it, especially in the face of one individual who had claimed that these claims are mine. They needed to regularize that and in order to do that they needed to go back and actual consult with the Ministry of Mines, but I agree with your concern that there should be inter-ministerial consultation on all Government policy or project and on this case they should have been prior consultation between the Ministry of Mines and the Ministry of Industry.

MR. NDAMBAKUWA: Thank you Mr. Speaker my question to the Prime Minister is we are heavily taxed on AIDS levy, but the drug which sustain the virus is not found, where is the money going?

THE PRIME MINISTER: Mr. Speaker, that was a promulgated deal and I am sure that the Minister which administers this is the Minister of Public Service, Labour and Social Welfare. The intention was noble, I am not aware how much money has been collected to be truthful or whether what has been collected is sufficient to respond to the amount of drugs that are available. It is something that the Ministry of Health has to deal with and in the next seating you can ask him that.

MS. A. NDHLOVU: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, Hon. Prime Minister we have received reports that in the next two years this country will not be able to access the global funding on HIV/AIDS yet it contributes more than 40% to the mitigation so our people are at stake. What is Government policy in ensuring that our people living with HIV/AIDS are taken care of and recognising that Government has launched the zero new infection and zero new deaths? I thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: I thought the hon. member was going to continue by mentioning that given that the hon. members will be going for testing on Friday so there is that possibility.

THE PRIME MINISTER: I will be at the forefront. Mr. Speaker the discussion around the global fund is ongoing and I am sure that some solution will be found. However, I must say that why should we put all our eggs in one basket, why should we put the whole nation at stake just because one fund is not able to respond to emergencies. I am sure some alternative solution should be in place. You know Zimbabwe is at the forefront on the way we are dealing with HIV/AIDS is really exemplary, we have actually experienced a decline of both infections and of new cases. I think that we should look at other alternatives not just the global fund. Of course, we welcome if they were to review and say we support you.

MR. KUMALO: Thank you Mr. Speaker, I wish to ask the Government positionregarding the revenue from diamonds which is said not to be reaching Treasury.

THE PRIME MINISTER: Let me say that the issue of diamond revenue is a concern to Cabinet, last Thursday we had a special Cabinet discussion around the budget performance and we recall hon. members that in the last budget statement a provision was put of US$600m expected to come from diamonds. Now the performance of our diamonds income is very disappointing, only less than US$25m has reached the Treasury. We have to look at those revenues to the extent that we need to find out whether actually we are selling those diamonds or we are just mining without selling.

If we are selling then we must insist on that money coming to the Treasury. This is not a sanctions issue; this is really a question of accountability and transparency in the manner in which diamond comes to Treasury. All monies generated inside the country must go the Consolidated Revenue Fund and any other fund that is created outside it is certainly not acceptable. So, yes, we continue to monitor the revenue fund and inform the nation that the expected windfall of US$600m is no more if the last performance over six months is anything to go by. I think it was a misplacement of that budget item.

MR. MADZIMURE: In view of what you have said Hon. Prime Minister, do you not see sense in Zimbabwe cancelling most of these deals which we have signed with most of these companies and start afresh, like what happened in the DRC, because it seems the minerals now belong to individuals when they should belong to the people of Zimbabwe?

THE PRIME MINISTER: There is no need really to cancel those licenses. I am sure that Cabinet through its wisdom has reached a position where we have to seriously look at licensing mining as opposite to licensing marketing. We need to make that distinction because somewhere in the process we do not seem to trace and the accountability is questionable so there is no need to throw the baby with the bath water. The mines are working, what we should ensure is that the marketing and revenues derived thereof should actually come to Treasury. I am sure that those of you who have gone to the mines you will see that there is nothing wrong with the mining operations. What is wrong is the marketing and accountability of those revenues.

MR. CHITANDO: Thank you Mr. Speaker. In view of the fact that the economy is not performing well, and we hear that there is going to be a salary freeze …

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order, hon. member who threw that newspaper? Can you stand up? Can you leave us?

MR. MADZORE: Sorry Mr. Speaker, I was sending the paper back to him.

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. member, can you leave us and come back after this particular session. -[HON. BHASIKITI-CHUMA: Inaudible interjection]- Order, Bhasikiti - do you want to follow him?

Hon. Madzore walked out of the House.

MR. CHITANDO: Mr. Speaker, my question was, since the Government is failing to perform, what is it saying on the salary freeze that we have heard about?

MS. A. NDHLOVU A: On a point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: What is your point of order?

MS. NDHLOVU: Hon. Speaker, the hon. member is speaking with his pocket in his hand and that is… -(Laughter)-

MR. SPEAKER: Order, I am not sure which is which. Whether it is a pocket in his hand or his hand in the pocket? There is no point of order hon. member. There is no rule that bars a Member to put his or her pocket in the hand. So, there is no point of order. hon. member. Proceed and ask your supplementary question.

MR. CHITANDO : The Hon. Prime Minister said the economy is failing to perform, so what is the Government doing on the salary freeze which has been announced?

THE PRIME MINISTER: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I do not know whether the Government has adopted the policy of wage freeze. There is no such policy. So that is what you have read in the newspapers and we read a lot from newspapers. Something which is not even correct, but let me say that Government is committed to upgrade the salaries of civil servants and other Government departments. The issue is, if we continue to have an economy which is not performing, we face a fiscal squeeze because the Minister of Finance will always say there is no money. In this case, 70% of our expected revenue goes to salaries, leaving 30% for other Government expenditure. That is a very tight nut, and there is no collective bargaining done on that. It is malicious, to try to blame the Finance Minister alone for those actions. An individual Minister cannot make a decision to increase or do otherwise on salaries. It is a collective Cabinet position. So, to blame one Minister for such a policy position, I think it is very unfortunate and it is mischievous to say the least. It is not Tendai's money or Tendai Biti's money. It is Government money and that Government money is distributed according to budget and Government decisions. In this case, there is no policy position regarding salaries or any increase or otherwise pertaining to civil servants.

Because of the very same thing that you have raised, the economy is not performing, there is no revenue coming out of our diamond expectations and therefore we are really in a budgetary squeeze.

MR MUDARIKWA: Mr. Speaker Sir, thank you very much. Good afternoon Mr. Speaker Sir. The Rt. Hon. Prime Minister, on a lighter note, you as the Leader of the Government Business in this august House, what measures are you putting in place to train and improve the communication skills of hon. members? I will just give you three examples.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, there is no question hon. member, are there any further questions?

MR. KAPESA: Thank you Mr. Speaker, my question to the Hon. Prime Minister is, what is Government policy with regard to public transport vis-a-vis numerous road accidents where we are finding too many private individuals running on highways?

THE PRIME MINISTER: Mr. Speaker, I do not understand the thrust of the question. If he is saying, what is Government's attitude towards accidents, I think the answer is very straight forward. We want to reduce the carnage on the roads and we have to improve the status of our roads. We are investing in the upgrading of the roads and also the fact that there will be too many vehicles now, 1,9 billion worth of vehicles bought in one year into Zimbabwe for cash. That is alarming and all that congestion that you see here in Harare is indicative of that. So, we have to control the quality of our drivers, vehicles and the quality of our roads. All that will contribute to the reduction of the carnage on our roads.

MR. BHASIKITI-CHUMA: Thank you Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is, in view of the fact that Government wants to improve the status of the roads and reduce accidents, but knowing fully well Prime Minister that the 82km peg road where you unfortunately lost your wife is still unattended and deteriorating into a donger, but Government is still looking at it. Is there any commitment? That road cannot wait for dualisation I know.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, hon. member, you raised the same question two Wednesdays ago and surely we cannot keep on going back and asking the same question.

MR. CHIKWINYA: Thank you Mr. Speaker, my understanding of the question from the hon. member is that what is the Government's policy with regards to public transport, since our roads are currently being serviced by private members we do not have control of? They are therefore exposing the passengers or the public to so many accidents. What is therefore the Government's policy to what it was before and with regards to policies in other countries where the Government always own the public transport for the benefit of the people, which is safer?

THE PRIME MINISTER: I am sure that hon. members you are aware that previously the issue of public transport was the norm, but unfortunately we resorted to private transport because we could not sustain ZUPCO and other public transporters -[HON. MEMBERS: Matonga!]- unfortunately, but I think that in the future when things have settled down I think Government should be in the position of announcing a policy to remove all these millions of vehicles on the roads through public transport and that is in the future, I cannot say but now we do have it because we do have a very serious shortage of transport, public or private.

MR. M. SHOKO: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. To the right Honourable Prime Minister, the Minister of Information, in reply to a Written Question in this House on Wednesday, 6th June, on the appointment of the Broadcasting Authority Board, informed the House that the Broadcasting Authority of Zimbabwe was appointed by the President on the 7th of August, 2009; and that the Global Political Agreement was not and I repeat, not meant to address itself to issues of appointment of the BAZ. What is the correct position with regards to the status of BAZ?

THE PRIME MINISTER : There is no conflict as far as I know. If the minister communicated that, I think that was out of line. I say it is out of line because Cabinet actually adopted the 24 issues that need to be reformed including BAZ. Not only that, but the principals who are the leadership of this Government directed the very same minister to go and implement that change. Not only that; the minister was directed by SROC which submitted its share of the BAZ committee but decided to ignore that. So, I do not know where he is getting those instructions but as I stated earlier, I think the men needs censure because he cannot defy the leadership of Government, defy Cabinet and defy everyone.

MRS. MATAMISA: To the Right Honourable Prime Minister, is it Government policy for a Governor to summon councillors to a public hearing on service delivery where the purported residents are activists from one political party.

THE PRIME MINISTER : Mr. Speaker Sir, with due respect, you cannot expect me to define any policy over action of an individual Governor. Besides, I do not know which Governor you are talking about. I am sure that as far as policy is concerned, coordination of Government departments should be within the purview of their roles and their mandates.

MR. ZHUWAO: Mr. Speaker Sir, my question to the Prime Minister is that, in light of the placing under curatorship of Interfin Bank and the placing under liquidation of Genesis Bank and taking cognisance of Government's position with respect to depositors' protection scheme; what is Government's policy on the Zimbabwean dollar balances for depositors with those particular banks.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order, honourable member, your question is quite pertinent. I think you will want detailed response to your question, I therefore rule that you direct your question to the relevant minister in order to get adequate response to this important question.

Prime Minister's Question Time interrupted by MR. SPEAKER in terms of Standing Order No. 34.



MR. CHITANDO: I move the motion standing in my name that

this House:

NOTING with appreciation the peaceful transition of governments in Zambia, Malawi, Senegal and recently Lesotho;

DISTURBED AND CONCERNED at the violent transition in some part of Africa particularly Ivory Coast and Mali;

APPRECIATING the firm role played by AU and ECOWAS in the mediation efforts to curb violent transitions;

AWARE that Zimbabwe will hold elections within a year;

CONCERNED that a violent manifestation is already emerging;

FURTHER CONCERNED that there is need to ensure a peaceful post election transition in Zimbabwe;

NOW THEREFORE, calls upon government to put in place mechanisms that ensure peaceful pre and post-election transition; and

FURTHER urges SADC and AU to ensure that their member states subscribe to the ethos of AU Charter on Democracy, Elections and Governance.

MR. GWIYO: I second.

MR. CHITANDO: Thank you Mr. Speaker. The motion which I am moving has got three aspects which we have got to deal with, which are not directly pointed out. Firstly, when we are dealing with this motion, we should note that this motion is not a one sided political motion. It is a motion of the people of Zimbabwe in the sense that; the motion is trying to have the legacy of His Excellency, the President, to be decorated here. We have got the legacy of the President which we have got to safeguard. We have got also the liberation struggle which we have got also to cherish. We have got also the GNU which we have got also to look at.

So when we look at this motion, these three aspects should be at the back of your mind that, what was the reason for the people to go to war? What is the history which the people of Zimbabwe are going to learn from the name Robert Gabriel Mugabe? What is the history the people of Zimbabwe are going to learn from the name Morgan Richard Tsvangirai? What is the history they are going to learn from the name Arthur Guseni Mutambara? If we have this in mind, this motion should be a motion which should be supported by all members of this House.

Firstly, what I would like members to know is that in Shona we say kugara nhaka huona dzevamwe. So I will have to take you to some examples of other countries which have got some peaceful transition and we have some of the countries which had violent transition. Let us look at the country called Zambia. It is our neighbour. It is the country which really helped us to attain the country called Zimbabwe today. They helped the Zimbabwe People's Revolution Army, ZIPRA and the ZAPU party.

Zambia was ruled by Kenneth Kaunda. It got its independence in 1964 and it had a one party state. When the MMD came, Fredrick Chiluba got into power, nobody could doubt that or who really hindered the transfer of power from Kenneth Kaunda to Fredrick Chiluba. From Fredrick Chiluba, they went on to Levy Mwanawasa. It was like a river flowing. It was something which was done; in our Shona proverb we say Ushe madzoro hunoravanwa. That is what they were doing. From Levy Mwanawasa, it went to Rupiya Banda. From Rupiya Banda to Sata.

I want you to listen to get this. Kenneth Kaunda was from the UNIP and Fredrick Chiluba and Levy Mwanawasa and Rupiya Banda, were from the MMD. Then Sata was from the UP. When Rupiya Banda who was only 74 years old, had ruled the country for only five years, when he was defeated in an election, he had the audacity to accept that I have been defeated in an election. Quote from the words which the former President Banda said when he lost the elections; he said "the people of Zambia have spoken and we all must listen." He said this while he was weeping but he was not unleashing the soldiers onto the streets. He then went on to say; "We never rigged, we never cheated, we never knowingly abused state funds. We simply did what we thought was best for Zambia." That is a statement from somebody that he could accept the defeat; he could consider that people of Zambia are more than his personal glory. Let me show you; you must put some comparisons here, I have said Banda was only 74 years; he should have been having an appetite for power at 74. He had ruled only for about 5 years- he should have had a very high appetite for power, but he had the audacity to say I am leaving power. He went on to say again "now is not the time for violence and retribution, now is the time to unite and build Zambia together." You can see somebody who has the heart for the people; somebody who is a leader who has lost an election is urging the party which he has been leading that let us build Zambia together- that is an example which we have taken from Zambia.

Zambia is a very poor nation; the Zambians are not educated as the Zimbabweans - what is wrong with us? What is wrong with us? That is a question you have got to answer. Get that question in your heart. Let us go to Malawi, a poor nation again with very limited resources with no educated people as they are in Zimbabwe - there was Banda, it went on to Muluzi. From Muluzi, Bingu Wamutarika and when Bingu Wamutarika suddenly died in office and when the politicians were delaying in nominating the successor people were doubting. The Malawians stood by their Constitution and said no Joyce Banda- the Vice President is going to be the President - they uphold their Constitution.

This example again, we are seeing people who really say they have lost election but they still believe that the Constitution; the people's will is more important than their personal glory. Let us take again the example of Senegal, Senegal is a very good example of democracy; Wade lost an election to Sall. He conceded defeat and transfer of power to the person who was going to take office. Go again to Lesotho, Lesotho somebody has ruled for 14 years in that country - he goes to an election and loses that election. Today he is the opposition in that Government. He accepts the results- the former Malawian President who was the Head of The Commonwealth Observer Mission, I want to quote what he said "we chose democracy as Africa and we should allow democracy to prevail" So if we as Africans have said we want democracy let democracy prevail. If somebody wins an election we should not try subjugating the people's will. The people's will should prevail.

Let us take examples of some of the violent transitions which we heard and then we will draw some lessons what we are going to learn from those? In Mali on the 22nd of March 2012, the Military there took over the civilian Government but see what happens; the ECOWAS stands up and say this is not acceptable in this region. AU stands up and say this is not acceptable here. So we are saying in Zimbabwe, we had our election in 2008 and those elections were deemed not to be free and fair; SADC should have declared that the person who was going to be in the throne was not legitimate - they should have just said that we do not allow that. We are saying now in the coming election, SADC should pluck a leaf from the tree of ECOWAS. ECOWAS have said, I want to give some detailed events which happened and communications which the junta in Mali were given by ECOWAS. "The Summit, that is ECOWAS decided to dispatch a member delegations comprising the Defence Chiefs of Berlin, Togo, Nigeria, Bukina faso, Niger, Cote d'vore, Senegal to Mali with the mandate to (1) sensitise the junta on the need to immediately return to constitutional order (2) inform the junta about the recent measures which were envisaged by ECOWAS to assist Mali in deserving its territorial integrity (3) evaluate the military situation on the ground and command chain. (4) intimate the junta of the sanctions they are liable in the event of non compliance with authority decision (5) inform the junta ECOWAS shall take all necessary measures to re-establish constitutional order in Mali. Why cannot SADC, why cannot AU do the same to Zimbabwe if we fail to do that? It also says any non-compliance by junta, ECOWAS invites all member states to impose a travel ban as well as diplomatic and financial embargo on the members of the junta and fellow collaborates with immediate effect. A very interesting one, the Summit instruction of ECOWAS Commission to put ECOWAS stand by force on high alert for all eventualities, there is nothing wrong for SADC to punish any country which does not comply to the SADC principles of good elections and governance by sending an army there to control and to put order in that country. If ECOWAS is able to do it, why can we not do it also?

Mr. Speaker Sir, whilst we are learning from these examples, Zimbabwe is preparing for a watershed election. We should all agree that the election which we should have should be guided by the principles and the articles which we have agreed as the political parties. SADC as the guarantor of this agreement should not be seen to be away when we give birth. When a midwife is absent when birth is about to take place, it can be a disaster. So we ask SADC to sent its observers at least 6 months before the elections to assess if we are ready to go for elections - (MR. MAVIMA: Vouya iyezvino izvi here?) - They should be here so that there is no violence in the country. Some of the people who have got demonic spirits that come whenever they hear about elections, they can be treated by SADC, I hope so. Let me say, we have got a roadmap which we agreed, the roadmap to free and fair elections which the President of ZANU PF and First Secretary, Mr. Robert Gabriel Robert Mugabe signed, the President of MDC, Mr. Morgan Richard Tsvangirai signed and the President of the other party did sign. In the roadmap to free and fair elections, there are some milestones and sign posts which we should see, which we should say; these are the sign posts to a free and fair election. The Constitutional process, the media reform, electoral reform, rule of law, freedom of association and assembly and the legislative agenda and the actual election.

Mr. Speaker, let us look at the issue of the constitution. Today we hear that the negotiators have gone to Nyanga because a certain political party had trembled and shivered because the peoples' will is what they do not want. They now bring 250 new articles, it is a shame. We want the Constitution to be completed; we want the constitution to be completed as of yesterday. So we are asking the negotiators who are in Nyanga that they should not come from Nyanga without a completed document. The people of Zimbabwe are waiting for that. They are also saying that they should not move an inch from what the people said just because a click of those people who do not want elections just want to delay the process. They want us to go for an election using the old Constitution.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I have said that we have got the legacy of the liberation struggle, we have the legacy of the President, Robert Gabriel Mugabe which we have also to decorate and to have. The people in ZANU PF like Hon. Mavima here and the real war veteran, I am saying to you, it is your duty to go and educate some of your members. If President Mugabe is to be taken by God today, the people of Zimbabwe would not be having anything good to say about him because he would have failed to give this country a peaceful transition. He would have failed to give this country a new Constitution. You can talk about the history of the liberation struggle, yes it is good for me, but for the children who were born after 1980, they do not know anything about the war. Matakadyakare haachanyaradze mwana, give them a new Constitution. So let us work together to have a new Constitution, Zimbabwe is for us all.

Mr. Speaker Sir, we agreed in the GPA that we were going to have media reforms. We come here, week in week out, and one person is being named as the media hangman, the minister himself. So I am asking Hon. Shamu to implement the media reforms. We want to have equal access to the television and equal access to the public and private media newspapers.

I now move to the electoral reforms. The person who should be able to bring the Electoral Bill here is Hon. Chinamasa. Why is he failing to bring the bill for finality here? - [MR. MAVIMA: Murikurambakaimi]- Let him bring the Bill, we cannot be told that we are denying the bill when it has not been brought to the House. The bill should come to Parliament so that members can debate and if necessary make the necessary amendments. The only problem in Zimbabwe is - one who claims the support of the people of Zimbabwe has to prove it in a free, credible and violent free election without the benefit of the following documented election rigging techniques. We want the coming elections to be free of the following rigging techniques, a partisan Electoral Commission. Secondly, we want to remove the secret printing of ballot papers and their secret distribution, we want that to be transparent. We do not want ghost voters. There is only one country where a president of a country is elected more by graves than human beings, that is the President of Zimbabwe. The President of Zimbabwe is elected more by ghost voters because our voters roll is well stuffed with ghost voters, people who are dead. We all know the evidence which was brought here sometime by Hon. Matutu where we had a 13 day old baby being in the voters roll and a 140 something years in the voters roll being at the army barracks.

We want also to lift the ban on Diaspora voting. These are Zimbabweans whom we displaced ourselves because of the economic hardships which were here. Those were not sanctions, the violence. Do you remember, there was violence in Hwedza which you caused Mr. Munjeyi. Hon. Munjeyi, you caused violence which forced people to leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Order hon. member. Please avoid engaging with individual hon. members. Do not get distracted, address the Chair and continue with your debate.

MR. CHITANDO: Thank you Mr. Chairman. We want also this country to have international observers. We do not want those handpicked observers. 'Kana kuri kumuchato wangu ndinopa vamwe macards asi kune vamwe vanouya nekuda kwavo'. Those people who come on their own are the people who are going to say the truth about that wedding. So, why are we ashamed of allowing everybody to come and witness our election process?

I hear your call that I should leave for others, truly I will do so but let us go on giving those documented rigging styles which you know. Pre-election targeted violence by party youth militia should be stopped and we want SADC to come and monitor elections 6 months before so that they will be able to see that our elections are free and fair. We want the disbandment of Chipangano. Partisan police and some of their statements that incite violence should be stopped. We want also the army to uphold the Constitution. There is one aspect I would want you members to understand. When the MDC was formed, it was not formed to fight the army; it was formed to contest ZANU PF. It will never contest the army. It is there to contest ZANU PF and win the election against ZANU PF. The army should be there to really congratulate the party which will be in power. We will truly and faithfully honour every member of the army. Any party which is going to be in power should always uphold the Constitution that the army, the CIO and police will be there and these people should not interfere with political activities of political parties.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to end by giving you the African Charter in brief. The African Charter says in brief; it has got 4 areas of focus. Firstly it is democracy, human rights and the rule of law. Secondly, it has got election and democratic institution. Thirdly, what we are debating today, and that is unconstitutional change of Government. Lastly, it focuses on political, economic and social governance. In Article 5 of the African Charter, it seeks to ensure constitutional rule and constitutional transfer of power and it says that power must be through free, fair and transparent election. We should ask ourselves, is the Zimbabwean election free, fair and transparent.

In Article 5(1) (C), it reaffirms zero tolerance for unconstitutional assertion of power. Chapter 6 requires states to institutionalise civilian control of the military and to punish unconstitutional overthrow of democratic Government. Mr. Speaker, because of time and I would like to give others more room, I was just opening debate for other members. We want the 20 checkpoints of a free and fair election, which we would like this Government to have. Firstly, we want the implementation of the GPA. Secondly, we want the implementation of regional and international standards of elections. Thirdly, we want the finalisation of the Constitution and the Constitution making process. We want to ensure the Constitution oversight Commissions that is the Media Commission and Human Rights Commission. We want them to be operationalised. We also want legislative reform so that we remove AIPPA, POSA and enshrine the freedom of association and freedom of assembly. We want also to repeal some of the Presidential powers. What we have seen in this country is that, immediately before the elections, the President assumes more power than he is supposed to have because he will be using Presidential powers. He amends the Electoral Act because of that. We want also a fresh voters' roll, media reforms and last but not least, we want the traditional leaders to be impartial. With that, we want the loser of this coming election to congratulate the winner of the election. We want a peaceful election where the people of Zimbabwe's will, where the voters' will is guaranteed and where the secrecy of the vote is secured. Mr. Speaker, with these words, I thank you.

MR. GWIYO: Thank you Mr. Speaker, in seconding this motion, I have had an opportunity to have been a member of the observer team in the first democratic elections in Malawi in the early 1990s. I need to raise a few things about Malawi. You would know the type of person who was in power then, Kamuzu Banda. During his time, it was more of a despotic regime; the environment was such that husband and wife or father and son could not trust each other. We knew Malawi then as the land of rivers of crocodiles, where if anyone was to speak freely, you would be assured that the person would not last at most 24hrs. Interestingly came the time for change and democracy, and the elections were held. I had an opportunity to move around the country freely as an observer and there was no interference or intimidation, interacting with non partisan election machinery. The point I am making Mr. Speaker, is that, there is always time for change and on either side, any normal human being must be prepared for change.

I also want to cite the case of South Africa in 2004. I have had an opportunity to monitor and observe in Kwazulu Natal, the most volatile area which is a stronghold of INKATA and ANC. Interestingly the election process was fair and smooth with no intimidation on either side and voters freely expressed their views.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the purpose of this motion is intended to prepare for what others may call an unlikely eventuality because it is very normal that if you are holding a certain position, you would wish to continue but the moment the Constitution provides the people with the mandate to withdraw, it means we also need to have people getting ready for the unlikely eventualities. It is also intended to prepare the losers to be active players in the new dispensation.

Mr. Speaker Sir, the purpose of the motion is to promise and encourage the loser to be an integral process of the nation. Interestingly, the mover of the motion has raised two key words; transfer of power and transitional process. I would like to emphasise on the transfer of power which would happen where the winner is declared and the loser acknowledges the election; that is transfer of power.

The aspect of transition would then come in, in the whole civil service, be it the army, the police, the civil servants in general and also across the media. Transition means you have changed bosses and you must always know which side of your bread is buttered. You can no longer live in the past. That is the purpose of transition, telling the employees that they now have new managers is what is being emphasised in this motion. It also even prepares the once opposition which would be now in Government to be able, not to do the same things that the losers used to do. The motion is actually emphasising the paradigm shift doctrine, how do we build the new Zimbabwe, can we continue to live in the past?

I would also like to cite even the first democratic elections in South Africa when Mandela was in power. If I am right, he did not exceed four years in office and he actually handed over power to a person of another generation. I would like to emphasize some of my last points that there are certain ways that, as human beings, we cannot control. The law of succession of one generation by the other is universal and it cannot be substituted. The law of development, from simple to complex is also universal, you cannot change the course of development and it is also very important to encourage that it is only natural and we cannot continue to live in an environment which is normally called waiting for a dead man's shoes.

We need to inculcate the culture of democracy. We need to be tolerant, and appreciate as normal, diversity of views. It is normal to differ and differences can either be minor or antagonistic, but as long as we are a people of one nation, when one loses, there is always another time for someone else to contest. That is the culture of democracy. I therefore want to conclude by saying let us, as a nation, acknowledge the SADC norms and standards of holding elections. We also have to acknowledge and accept the African Charter and fundamental rights and effectively the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Why do we have to acknowledge, accept and implement it, because in all the three cases, Zimbabwe has been a party, signatory and an active player in the African Union Leadership of dynamics and has been an active player in the liberation politics and also in United Nations. These issues that we are raising, you and me must prepare for winning or losing elections across the board and then tell ourselves that there is always another time. With these comments I would like to thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.

MR. S. NCUBE: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, I would like to thank the mover of this motion who talked about the peaceful transition of Government especially in Zambia, Malawi, and Senegal which are good examples of peaceful transition where the loser will accept that he has lost the elections and congratulates the winner. The issue actually is about democracy, we will be having our own elections in the next 12 months, the issue we have in Africa is we have all the mechanism of democracy. The African Charter on Democracy, Elections and Good Governance, but the problem we have is our leaders in Africa, who have sometimes committed crimes and beat people and then it will be difficult for them to step down because they have skeletons at their back.

That is where we have problems. The other issue is the issue of ICC, people do know in Africa that if they have committed crimes. They will face the law. Now it is clear they will resist at all costs, that is why we are hearing Generals in Zimbabwe saying if you do not have war credentials or that, no salute for you. When coming to Zimbabwe, we defeated the whites and the issue was to liberate the people of Africa so that they have one man one vote and no one to choose for them as to who is supposed to be their leader. People of Zimbabwe must decide what democracy is. If we liberated the people of Zimbabwe and now we are the oppressors, it is a shame. Coming to our road map which will lead to free and fair elections, there are guidelines, it is only that people do not want to follow, they decide to do the opposite.

We have the best practice in Southern Africa here, and we do not need SADC to have a task-force here so that when SADC does the opposite, we are supposed to have the army coming here, no. I have been observing the elections in two countries, I have been to Namibia and South Africa, you find the wife supporting the other party and the husband supporting another. These people share everything and they differ in voting saying my party has won. The problem we have in our country is to accept losing, a good example will be to say Hon. Chebundo will be our next President one day.

It is all up to the people of this country to decide who will be their President, not a certain individual to say who is going to be the President of this country. We have our media reforms, it is a shame even when covering the same story, journalists will be seated next to each other but you read the following day the stories will be different, what a shame. They are dividing the people of Zimbabwe. That is why we keep on fighting. We need to correct that. When coming to the issue of the voters' roll, seriously, when we want to have a peaceful election, where the winner will be congratulated by the loser, we need to take action about our voters' roll. We have our Electoral Bill which is still pending to come to Parliament. There are still issues, but in the next 12 months, we will be having elections in this country and the Bill is not even ready. We have the Human Rights Bill and these Bills have to be speeded up so that we have free and fair elections.

The issue is about the Constitution and people of Zimbabwe respecting their Constitution, not the issue of people saying we do not recognise so and so, but after the people have spoken, they will follow suite, they will be the first ones to salute the winner because people will have spoken. If people have decided to choose whoever as President, so be it. That is why we have elections. If there are people who believe that so and so can not be President, why do we call for elections. Mr. Speaker Sir, I would like to thank the mover of this motion which highlighted the deficiencies of democracy, especially in this country. I thank you.

MR. SITHOLE: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I want to thank the mover of the motion, it gives us an opportunity to debate and also discuss very critical issues about Zimbabwe. We are all aware that SADC was formed from Front Line States. So it is not something new, it is our baby. We are also part and parcel of SADC, of putting in place SADC, the African Union is also a child of OAU, so we are very much familiar with what was the purpose of forming the OAU and why we reformed it to AU. There are few issues which we need to consider as a country, we may disagree in our political philosophy, but I think it is important to agree to disagree because we should be able to share our differences. We should be able to have dialogue. The way we are created by God we are not the same, some are tall, some short, some are bulky/slim, some are black and some white. That is nature, so there is no way, as a nation, we can have the same political thinking, but we should be able to accommodate one another.

Mr. Speaker Sir, an election is a process where people of that particular country elect or vote through one man one vote process, thus democratically electing their own Government that is very critical.

MR. SITHOLE: There are few issues which we should also consider while we are going through that process. Under normal circumstances, if there is no outside interference from the early stages of campaigning, you are likely to experience free and fair elections. I think as a nation, as political parties, both in the GPA and the minority parties which are not yet in Government and those which are to be formed; many political parties will be formed in the future and we must be able to believe in ourselves. Let us believe in ourselves. Let us disagree to ourselves, let us finance our own election in Zimbabwe. That is where we have problems at the moment in terms of liquidity.

I heard the Hon. Prime Minister when he was trying to assist us as a nation when we asked him about the issue of money. How can we as a nation get money, go outside and buy vehicles and vehicles and vehicles. He gave an example of US$1, 9 billion. It is alarming as a nation. We are not allowing our money to circulate because we do not believe in cars from Willowvale but we believe in cars from outside, even if they are second hand. Even if they are useless, we say these are good because these are not from Zimbabwe. I think we need God to really rescue us from this mess.

Mr. Speaker, as I have said, we are a nation and we should accommodate one another. We have got a very good example of what happened in the Northern countries and also what is happening in Syria. Thousands of innocent people are dying. They are suffering, they have no food, no medication, no free movement. Why? Because the people of Syria, yes, of course they want to change their Government, but they have allowed outside interference into Syria. People will not believe that but on a serious note, who is funding the rebels? -[HON. MEMBERS: Russians, Americans, Chinese]-. These are issues which we should learn.

When you are doing projects, there is an exercise which they call look and learn, but I think as Zimbabweans, we have got the internet, websites, we have got the TVs, whatever channel you can open, you will see that in Syria, those people are in trouble. They have reached the situation where they do not even respect the United Nations. This morning, when I was listening to the Television, the teams from the UN were attacked ten times. It is pathetic. Those are the people who should rescue them but they cannot even recognise them.

It is because they do not believe in themselves; they have got their masters who are saying do this and that. Without those masters telling them to stop the fight, they will never stop that. Mr. Speaker, I would like to applaud Hon. Chitando for raising this very important motion. As I have said, it gives us an opportunity to look at ourselves and to analyse our political situation.

He is talking about the transitional Government, if there is an election and that is very critical. People are using violence means to remove Governments from power. It does not work. No Government will fold its hands while it is being pushed out of power or out of office, even if I am the President or even if you are the President, you will not allow that to happen. We must use democratic systems where people will say, you have been in office, we have evaluated and you have not fulfilled our wishes and please can you get out. It has to be properly done.

Mr. Speaker Sir, personally as a Member of Parliament from Chiredzi East constituency, I believe in a free and fair election process. This is what I believe in and I would urge my colleagues here in Parliament to say let us have that belief. Let us try to talk to our political leadership so that at least people can change their mindset. As Zimbabweans, let us allow Zimbabwean political parties to do the politicking.

An hon. member having moved from his seat.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, can you go back to where you usually sit. [The hon. member walked back to his sit]

MR. SITHOLE: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, as Zimbabweans, let us allow Zimbabwean political parties to do the politicking. ZANU PF, MDC-T, MDC-M or MDC-N whatsoever, let us allow those political parties because they are the origins of Zimbabwe and they should do the politicking of Zimbabwean politics.

NGOs should not be allowed into our internal politics. Civic organizations should give us guidelines to say -[AN HON MEMBER: Ko machine?]- in terms of human rights, this is how you should do it. [AN HON MEMBER: Ko imi hamuzvizivi?]In terms of good governance, this is how we should do it. No civic organisation or NGO should favour any political party or parties. These are the issues which cause problems because when those organisations, whether NGOs or civic organizations, are involved into the internal politics, by the time we will go to elections, they will be predicting that such a party is going to win before even we start voting. That is where we create our own problems.

Any political party is free to campaign and win an election Mr. Speaker Sir. This is what I believe in and I hope all parties also will believe in that. If it is a free and fair election, why not accept the results. There is no need to say no to a freely and fairly elected Government, but people should not lose focus of why Zimbabweans went for war. Why did our children go for war? I am between 55 and 60 Mr. Speaker Sir, and I have little experience of what happened. I experienced in, 1963 at one point when my father lost 60 cattle in a day and the price was five shillings, pondo, but no mombe was pondo and five shillings at that time. Sold at even two shillings and lost 60 cattle in a day.

I was still very young but honestly, I cannot lose those memories. So I think as Zimbabweans, we are fortunate now, we are in a liberated country but we must not lose focus. Let us try to protect our legacy and our sovereignty. We should work for it -[AN HON. MEMBER: Hondo takarwa zvakapera]-.

Mr. Speaker Sir, let us at all costs avoid violence. You know in the Bible, there are some other people who would wear coats of sheep and you will say they are the real sheep, but they will be the really dangerous animals. I think what we say here in Parliament and when we address our political constituencies must be seen to be true by what we do -[HON MEMBER: Utaurire mudhara wako izvozvo]-.

The first thing to test what we have said, we are hon. members, we do have constituencies. Why do we have violence, first violence, second violence, third violence and so on in your constituency? Why are you not stopping it? It means something is wrong. We should be able to try by all means to stop it -[AN HON. MEMBER: Kachepa pindura]-.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I would plead with this august House to say, let us all talk about peace. Peace is good. It is nice to live in a peaceful environment. Even when you are in a National Park, or in the wilderness with no violence, you will really enjoy the peacefulness of the nation and the environment. So, I would urge my colleagues here in Parliament to say let us all preach and say no to violence. We are a nation, we are one, let us respect one another. Let us own our sovereignty and let us defend our sovereignty. One important factor Mr. Speaker Sir is that you may pretend or think you are a popular party and you are going for election campaign. Why pre-judge? Before even the election, you put into the electronic media and into everything else and say when I win I want to put so and so to the Hague, what are you trying to achieve? Then who will let you into office when you are telling him or her that you are going to punish, that is wrong. Why pre-judge? We are causing problems for ourselves.

Go for an election, campaign freely, let the people vote, let the election get announced and you are sworn into office. Then you have a Parliament and then maybe that is when you can say what you want; but the issue of pre-judging, I think it is not fair.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I want once again to thank you very much for allowing me to contribute to this very important motion which was raised by Hon. Chitando. Where we are saying as a nation we should be accommodating one another. We may have differences and that is why even in our social living we do not go to one church. Even in our tradition, we have different traditions but we are in one country. If you go to Matabeleland, they have got their own traditions and way of thinking, the same if you go to Masvingo, Mashonaland and even here in Harare. Let us allow the diversification of thinking. I thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.

*MR. GARADHI: Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. Firstly, I would want to thank Hon. Chitando for raising a pertinent motion. It is an important motion with regards to elections. I recall in 1964 when Zambia became independent and Mr. Kaunda became the President. He went on to rule for 27 years in a one Party State. Be that as it may, the people in Zambia were able to say enough is enough. What was surprising was that despite Zambia being a one party state, not a single person was killed. The same applies to Malawi, there was once a ruler Dr. Kamuzu Banda, he was an iron man but when the Malawian people said, 'enough is enough', a peaceful election was held and no deaths were recorded in Malawi.

We come to Zimbabwe, why is it whenever there is an election in

Zimbabwe, even a referendum, lives are lost? That is the question that begs an answer. Why is it that our country fails to follow the example of other countries. The Malawians do not have mines, they do not have meaningful resources but they are having peaceful transitions from Kamuzu Banda, Bakili Muluzi to the current president. The same applies to Zambia from Mr. Kaunda to the current Zambian head of state, where not even a single life was lost. Why does this not apply to us? Is it that there is too much hatred between us or there are others who incite us?

I would want to profusely thank the SADC and the AU about the examples that they are setting in other countries. I would want to also cite the example of Mali where they did not recognise the Junta. My request Mr. Speaker Sir, to this House is that when elections are being held we have plus or minus 14 million Zimbabweans but only 1.2 million Zimbabweans are deciding an election. Why will that be the case where 1.2 or 1.6 million will vote? That is not an election. There is a problem that people are threatened with assault and when they are assaulted they will not come out and freely express themselves. In the next election, if less than 7 million do not cast their vote SADC should not recognize it. Where will the other 7 million be? People would want to vote but they are not able to do that because of the environment which is not conducive.

In Zambia there is the military, there is also the police force but we did not hear even a single police officer or soldier in Zambia vying or saying that they support the UNIP or the other Party. They are being responsible for peace keeping and they respect the people's will. Contrary to the Zambian example, the Zimbabwe Army and the uniformed forces are at the forefront saying they will not recognize the election of someone who has no liberation credentials. When our relatives went to fight the liberation war, we assisted by giving them food and everything needed. The aim was for them to liberate us so that we could live well and choose our own leadership freely regardless of their background and who they are. The liberators are almost finished what will the next generation say?

The election that was held in 2000 at the onset of the MDC, people who were killed in Mashonaland West for supporting a Party because they were against ZANU PF. The first one died in 2000 and this was Milton Chambati who was decapitated in Magunje. He is a brother to Hon. Chambati. He was killed by ZANU PF because he could not support them. He was followed by Laxon Kanyurira who was killed in Kariba and the reason was for not supporting ZANU PF. There was an old man who was a traditional healer and was called Mupawaenda who was killed because of the suspicion that he was assisting the MDC people. There was an old man called Nhiyo, he was an activist in ZCTU and he died for that post. The last person to be killed was Joshua Bakachesa who was our driver in Mashonaland West. All these people were killed as we were about to go into the election.

Recently, Namibia got its independence and they have changed and there was no bloodshed. The same applies to Botswana, why should there be a different scenario in Zimbabwe? My plea to all Zimbabwean people is that even if we may be fooled, there is a life after Mugabe, there is a life after Tsvangirai.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, hon. member it is President Mugabe and Prime Minister Tsvangirai.

MR. GARADHI : Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. President Mugabe and Prime Minister Tsvangirai. As Zimbabwe people we should appreciate that this is how a country should be run. We should not be killing one another as we go towards an election. It is difficult to contemplate Mr. Speaker. The honourable member who has moved this motion has moved a motion that is close to my heart. The people that I have made reference to were killed in Mashonaland West. I was not able to come up with those killed in Mashonaland East or in Mashonaland Central or the whole of Zimbabwe. The reason those people died towards an election was because they did not like ZANU PF.

My plea to the entire Zimbabwe nation is that let us be united. Let us go out in our numbers and vote and be able to freely campaign for a party of our choice and vote for a party of our choice. If that election is to be less than 7 million people to participate the world over, the international world should not accept that because people would have been threatened. I say so because during COPAC in 2000 people would gather and five or more people will make contributions. The rest would not speak. Even the Constitution that we are talking about, it was not made by Zimbabweans freely giving their views because there was operation mum-less. The quest that there should be an international body to supervise and monitor our forth coming elections; if you want to hold a transparent election, why would you want your friends to supervise the elections?

You are saying differences with these people because they are up to no good. Invite them to come and supervise the election so that should you win, you will be congratulated and you get away with it. Why should you want the Chinese and others who are your friends? We want the entire world to come and observe our elections. They should come and witness the loss of one party and the winning of another. I thank you.

*MR. NAVAYA: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I have also decided to raise my voice on the motion moved by Hon. Chitando. At times the word mostly uttered by people is democracy, but when you ask them to define what democracy is, they do not define it. This country is one of the countries with a lot of democracy. People are talking about an election that they want an election which is free from violence. Why do we not first remove the violence that we see now? That we have economic sanctions and travel sanctions. If we were to go to elections in that mode, are we then saying we are having a free and fair election when the leadership of a certain party can not travel? When companies in such country can not trade worldwide with other organisations? Can we then say that the election will be free and fair? I do not that it is reasonable.

There is no worse violence like bringing economic sanctions against another country. We will not be abused by a few countries that are strong headed like the United States of America because we now have our own diamonds. Some honourable members say that leaders are afraid to go and be tried by ICC. That body is discriminatory. It chooses who to prosecute and others are left scot free. Those that are tried will be tried for not having committed any offenses. This ICC creature which is based in the Haig got rich by looting diamonds in the DRC. There is no one powerful country where one of the citizens has been tried. An example is George Bush who stole an election after he had lost in America. In France, the one who recently lost Mr. Sarkozy, had been given money by Kaddafi and then turned around and murdered him.

There are many who should be tried there but you hear them saying African leaders should be the only ones to be tried. When they say that, as African people we applaud that. Why should we invite a witch-doctor who in the end accuses our mother of being the witch? President Obama recently killed Osama Bin Laden. Is he aware that when one is a prisoner, one should not be killed? That is murder. Recently they murdered Kaddafi who had been injured instead of them trying him, they murdered him. That is brutality.

In Syria as we speak, they are supplying fire arms to the insurgency in Syria and they are inciting this insurgency to go and kill people and women and then allege that it is the Syrian government that is slaughtering its own population. Can democracy only be found in Africa or should we have our own resources being looted whilst we keep quiet? Democracy in Zimbabwe came around when the great grand-father of Mr. Cross who is here, a lot of their kith and kin have killed a lot of men. No one has sent them to Haig. This honourable member should have been the first to be tried. The mistake that we made was that we thought that co-existence meant that we would forgive and let by-gones be by-gones. That is the mistake that we made.

MR. MAHLANGU: The honourable member Mr. Speaker Sir is making a personal attack on the Hon. Eddie Cross and which is racial again. Can he withdraw?

MR. SPEAKER: Order. Criticising or making reference to a member who is a Member of Parliament does not constitute any offence unless the language used is abusive and unparliamentary. However, in the spirit of inclusive government and unity in this country, I will encourage the member to refrain from making any provocative racial references to members of our society in this country. It is not in the interest of nation building. May the member continue, the point of order over-ruled.

*MR. NAVAYA: Thank you honourable Speaker. When we say that there must be an election which is free and fair, it should be universally accepted. You have never gone to observe elections in France, Britain and America. We have the African Union and SADC organisations that should supervise our elections. You cannot bring a snake into your own house; it will bite you. So that is not possible. They should observe their own elections up and until they treat Africans as their equals because what is going to happen is that we are going to be used as Blacks, to perpetuate the evil deeds of these people.

These are countries which we copy, the languages which we believe are the correct languages; the one I am using is my language, so do not waste my time. Such countries have never at any given time recognised your grandfather as a human being. They sold us during slavery, as an example there is the Meikles Hotel, Thomas Meikles made his wealth through looting people's cattle. Countries such as Britain and America built their cities by stealing other countries' riches. Such countries again seen to be in the forefront talking about democracy, when they are killing other countries today. Today Zimbabwe is under sanctions that were not sanctioned by the UN, but this was done to perpetuate the oppression of the Black people.

We are saying violence is bad, it does not yield anything in our country or the world over. We should not just scratch on the surface. We should also look at our history and know what happened. If we do not know the aims of our colleagues, we will continuously get lost and be perennial beggers. A free and fair election should not only have the few who do deeds that are unacceptable, but before an election occurs, they predict that so and so will win. Before anything has been done, they give their own results; before the results have been declared, people will be celebrating. That is how they undermine the rights of other people. What we do not like is that you say a free and fair election when Non Governmental Organisations interfere in the internal affairs of other countries. They come with money they have stolen and they use it to try and bring back what they would have stolen from us which they now want to reposses. I do not think that is democracy. Go back to the drawing board hon. members for you to understand what democracy is all about. Maybe you are just making reference to the word democracy without having knowledge. You are just like a loose cannon. That is what I see in most of us. When you hear the word democracy, do not think it will bring food to our table. There is nothing more to democracy when people reposes their land; people are being given 51% shares in this country. There is nothing that can surpass this. You see an educated man; a man of good stature going against such policies. That is a typical example of the behaviour of laggards, when the innovators will have already moved on. Democracy should not be akin to what the oppressors, the murderers, those who got our riches and oppressed us would now want to call democracy. America is the country that slained Sadam Hussein, after training him and when he went against their grain they murdered him -[AN HON MEMBER: The member seems to be completely lost. Can he be directed to stick to the motion?]-

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. member, you should stick to the motion do not go everywhere. Thank you hon. member.

*MR. NAVAYA: Thank you Hon. Speaker. The problem that we have in this House is that when blinkered hon. members, who are just like the horse at Borrowdale horse race, they will not understand anything because they are only blinkered to talk about democracy when they are talking of an election. We should open our eyes. No one encourages violence in the country because it is a bad practice. It is never tolerated anywhere, but let us look at the causes of violence. Some of these causes are what I made reference to and gave examples that this causes violence. Thank Hon Speaker.

MR. MAHLANGU: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I would like to add my voice to the motion that was moved by Hon. Chitando, seconded by Hon. Gwiyo. I just want to touch on the issues of transfer of power, the transitional processes. I think the honourable member has highlighted the issues of transfer of power in other countries like Malawi, Zambia, Senegal, Lesotho. I am not going to dwell on that much. What I am going to dwell on is on our internal politics here in Zimbabwe. The reason why it has been very much impossible for this country to transfer power, the problem that we have in this country is that we are still in revolution. We have got a party that has formed to turn itself into a political party. It has remained a revolutionary movement. We have used the power of violence which is called revolutionary violence to get power from the Smith regime. We did it as a country, it is a known fact. That is why we are independent today, but we have got no freedom. After getting this power using revolutionary violence, we should have used political means to get the power through democratic elections. It happened in 1980, all of us know, we went for elections. I think those were democratic elections and a Government of ZANU PF led by His Excellency, President Mugabe took over power, up to today, they are still clinging to power. After those elections, especially after the formation of MDC which was led by Hon. Prime Minister, Morgan Tsvangirai, this country has not enjoyed democracy as far as I am concerned. It is because of fear from the revolutionary party that power will be taken from it because they thought that by fighting to free Zimbabweans, to free us all, the power belongs to one party. That is the problem that we are having in this country. Even the soldiers today, they are giving us headaches because they think power belongs to them because they fought for this country. It does not happen like that. In Zambia, there was a revolutionary war, Zambia was a British colony but today, they have moved on. They are building their country.

Mr. Speaker Sir, in this country, for you to be called a Zimbabwean, you need to belong to ZANU PF, it is unfortunate. If you are a war veteran, a war veteran who fought for this country should be ZANU PF not MDC. In our party MDC, we have war veterans who fought for this country, the late Dr. Mudzingwa and the former Mayor of Chitungwiza, Hon. Shoko but they are not recognised as war veterans. If they die today, they will not be buried at the Heroes Acre. You are only a hero in this country when you belong to ZANU PF. We need to eradicate that culture that belonging to ZANU PF alone, you are a Zimbabwean, that belonging to ZANU PF alone, you have fought for this country, that belonging to ZANU PF alone, you are a good man, a good boy, mupfanha wakanaka. It is not about that, we need to be tolerant of each other's views.

I think what our brothers and sisters died for and fought for, was for us to be free in this nation. We are in this Zimbabwe today, because of those people but we should not be held at ransom, for them to say that because they fought for us, they must remain in power. That is the disease that we have in this country. As long as we do not eradicate this disease and be able to tolerate each other as a nation, we are not going anywhere as a country. The struggle for the people should never be measured by guns, political slogans, verbal attacks by soldiers and hate language from the State media. It should be measured by development, developing our nation, making sure that our people have good education, good health and making sure that our people live in peace not in pieces.

Mr. Speaker Sir, Hon. Sithole talked about Syria and Egypt. He said people are using violent means to remove Governments from power. I am saying, dictators are using violent means to stay in power by killing their own people. That is the message, it is happening in Syria and Egypt, even now there is a military Government that is there. I was watching CNN yesterday; people are not sure whether the power will be transferred to the civilian Government. People have gathered at Tahrir Square just because they fear that power may not be handed over to them. It is a fear, if they did not fear, they would just sit in their houses and wait for the results to be announced. Here in Zimbabwe, our people should not fear that power will not be handed over to them in the coming elections. We need to put instruments that will ensure that the power in this country will be handed over in a democratic way without blood being spilled.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I just want to end by saying, as long as political parties do not respect our people, as long as we take our people for granted, thinking that people always want to see us in power forever, we will be lost. We can not use guns to remain in power, we can not use hate language to remain in power. The only thing that we can use to remain in power is democratic means. What are democratic means - a free and fair election of course, without violence and also ensuring that power is handed over peacefully to the person who has won the elections. No-one should go and gather somewhere fearing that the power might not be handed over to the winning candidate. So it is very important and imperative that as a country, we should actually graduate from a period of violence, hatred and be graduates of tolerance, peace and development.

Mr. Speaker, as Members of Parliament, it is our task if we want this country to move forward to ensure that the coming elections are free and fair. We should make sure that the people in our constituencies are not violent. Unfortunately, as I am talking like this, we have some members that were involved in violence whereby we now wonder whether the coming elections are going to be free and fair. So I think if we want to move on as a country, let us eradicate the culture of violence and bring in a culture of peace that will ensure that we develop our nation and we ensure that even the diamonds in Marange, are not going to benefit the pockets of individuals, the Chiyangwas of this world, Obert Mpofus' of this world but this Government ...

MR. SPEAKER: Order. Those are hon. members.

MR. MAHLANGU: Sorry Mr. Speaker. We should make sure these diamonds should benefit the children of Zimbabwe, the future generations that are coming after us. We should not think of ourselves alone. Let us think of our children also, we should not be selfish and we need to make sure that we protect the wishes of our people. We need to make sure that the will of the people in any election that is done in this country is respected and achieved. Thank you very much Mr. Speaker.

MR. TACHIONA: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I want to thank the mover of the motion for introducing this motion to this House. I believe the hon. Member has seen that what is happening in the country, the Inclusive Government is failing to take some of the things that we want to correct. In Zimbabwe since 2000, there have not been any free and fair elections and the member wants to see that in Zimbabwe there will be free and fair elections that will not depict what happened in June 2008.

The problem that we have as a country, a lot of people that are office bearers are failing to respect the Constitution. A lot of people have been appointed to their positions and they are trying to please those people who have appointed them. In most cases they fail to agree or to respect the Constitution, they will do things that are out of the Constitution for example, we have got people who publicly declare that they are partisan whilst they hold public offices. We have got people who just move around beating up people but there would be nothing that will be done, the law enforcers would just watch people being beaten up.

The first thing that we all must do is to have self respect, to respect the Constitution, to take action against those who do things which go out of order in respect of the Constitution. Therefore, the first thing that we must see is self-discipline by leaders in the highest offices and leaders who hold public offices. People must see and respect the lives of people in Zimbabwe; we do not want a repeat of what happened in June 2008. I urge the principals in the Inclusive Government to move into high drive gear to correct the anomalies that the mover of the motion has seen as causing a lot of confusion in the country. We must first do a lot in the country than to look beyond boarders. There is a lot that must be done in this nation before we need any assistance from outside. We must respect our Constitution, we must see to it that anyone who does things that are against the Constitution must resign on his own. As we speak right now, we have some people who hold public offices; they must be in their homes rather than to keep on holding to public offices. Our principals should take action, there must be action not just talking without action. I thank you.

*MR. BHASIKITI-CHUMA: Thank you Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the mover of this motion, Hon. Chitando for reminding the Government that elections should be held peacefully. We should be helped by our African organizations; SADC and the AU to see that our elections are free and do not have violence. It is a good motion which is meant to build our nation. Before I go any further, I would want to say that violence is only occasioned by us especially out of ignorance and lack of understanding of what it means to be a representative of the people and how we should go about it. Being a representative of the people is not to go to people and try and win their votes, the people should decide that you are of the right caliber to represent them, and then they will elect you. Most of us want to elect themselves; they no longer want to be elected by the people. This is shown by the means that they do that they want to now elect themselves. Mr. Speaker, when talking about such issues, we should have what I call self introspection and see that our deeds are clean. We should practice what we preach. I know that we all understand that. In Hon. Chambati's constituency there was violence because there is someone who also wants to become a Member of Parliament like him. Anyone can be chosen by the people and become their representative. If it can start in your own party, what it means is as hon. members our reasoning is not that good. We should go deeper and look into the issue of violence. In these cases of violence, we are used by others because they say be violent so that you show your allegiance to me. We saw this happening in this august House that the representative of the people when the Prime Minister was debating, threw a paper across, showing that he is not a member of the Prime Minister but a member of the Biti faction. This incites violence.

I thank the Speaker for remonstrating with him by ordering him out of the House. Such members who use violence as a way of pleasing their leaders and as a way of conserving their seats do not belong to this House. Mr. Speaker I would want to thank the measures that are being taken by Government to ensure that we hold peaceful elections. It is incorrect to say that all our elections are held in violence. I once reiterated that in March 2008 we conducted elections in a free and fair manner as was witnessed by SADC and the African Union. That is when we were elected into this august House. We had already won and that is why we are here. So in this country it is possible for us to continuously hold peaceful elections as we contest amongst ourselves. Let me point out one thing, that those who form political parties should bear in mind the history of the country. The history of this country is that the people like Mbuya Nehanda and Sekuru Lobengula were cheated and dispossessed of this land by the oppressors and by the colonizers. We should be wary amongst ourselves so that our great grand fathers' oppressors, colonisers or enemies, we then make them bosom friends so that we seek their advice.

Those who know about culture will then say that you are being set against your ancestors and what you stand for amongst yourselves. We should not befriend people who murdered subjects of king Lobengula, a lot of people were murdered in Shangani by Rhodes. A lot of people were murdered in various places so if we were to befriend people who killed Lobengula's tribe we will have committed an offence.

The country will not allow us to do what we please and these are some of the reasons why in June we notice that those people who had been dispossessed of their land by the land reform and we had celebrated, the farmers who had their farms taken were coming back and saying this party has won and we are now going back to our farms. It will cause war and Lobengula's spirit will not rest in peace but will turn against us because we have preferred his enemies over him.

So, Mr. Speaker I was explaining that when we delve into politics we should remember our history and what we stand for. I understand and I was taken aback by Hon. Mahlangu who said that there is a revolutionary party. He should have transformed it into something else. I do not understand what he meant by transformation, he may have explained, maybe he meant that we should change and be assisted by our former colonisers whom we unseated. This is what gave us the emotion to take our land, to fight and then when we preach this gospel you are against us.

I am happy that we now agree that the land is ours but initially when the land reform was started others totally opposed it. You then observe that we put some obstacles in trying to raise support and by so doing we raised the spirit of Nehanda and Lobengula. These are the spirits that liberated us. They do not want the ones that we have unseated to come back and rule us. This is what I strongly urge. There are some who are now saying that when we win we are going to scrap indigenisation and empowerment which was meant to empower the blacks. You now want the whites to come back and become more powerful and have more money than you.

Mr. Speaker, I am explaining about violence and its causes. We should be wary of it amongst ourselves because if we are not careful we accuse innocent persons.

In conclusion, I would want to thank the mover of the motion, Hon. Chitando. We would want our elections to be observed by people from Africa as they did before. It is not a new phenomenon which we will only introduce in the next coming election. This has become the tradition or the norm for our peers in Africa to observe but others deviated from the motion by believing that our elections can only be validated by those who come out of Africa. We validate our own elections by saying this is what we want.

Remember hon. members that when you see what is happening in other countries, the people will fight against a third force which seeks to destabilize and control the country. This is what is currently happening in Egypt. That is why you hear that people are now afraid and they do not want to tell the truth. Hon. Mahlangu left that issue hanging but the issue in Egypt is that they said they wanted to remove the old man and incited the people with a view to show that a dictator had been dethroned. Now as they go for an election, people have now realized that America has poured in some money so that it can control Egypt. Can America control Egypt in the same manner that it poured money into Libya with a view to control Libya? So, they have now dug their heels deeper and said no ways, as Africans we are makers of our own destiny and that they will then raise the spiritual guardians of that country.

I would want to say that when we talk about elections, if you want to rule you should disassociate yourselves from your backers whom you promised you would give them something when you win. Remember that whenever you come in with your backers you come in with evil spirits which need cleansing, just like they did when they came and stole this country from Ambuya Nehanda and others. So, once you join hands with them you then have the same case so, we should not accuse others of causing the failure because we know this and we know it very well ourselves.

We should know that the behavior that we exhibit when we seek for election is good. I do not want to remind you of what happened in our parties ZANU PF and MDC if there are those amongst us who do not want to get their mandate from the people to rule in Zimbabwe. We are blessed, we have a good example because we have never exceeded five years before His Excellency, Cde. Robert, Gabriel Mugabe goes back to the people of Zimbabwe to seek their mandate to rule and lead them. His Excellency, President Mugabe was being elected because of his exemplary deeds. There is no one who refuses to elect a leader who has empowered him by giving him land and inheritance. There is no one who would then want to say they should not be empowered but our colleagues are now constantly saying that we should go for elections. We then posed a question why do you want people to elect you, then that is when the problem comes. Others want to delay the elections. When we go for elections we then ask why did people select you? People will not simply elect you because you are light in complexion like Hon. Khumalo, they elect you because of your deeds.

They elect us on the basis of the deeds of our party because this is a good party. There are others who have nothing to tell the people but promised that they will give people money, you have issues that are being said today. When you used to promise money, now that you are in the Government you are worse off, then you say we are going to borrow, our people now know. Do not celebrate for your own downfall because the AU and SADC will come and observe these elections and they will see you losing. When you lose you then want to allege that you were cheated and there was violence. We should continuously urge our Government to have good elections like that of March 2008 which were peaceful.

So I have already made reference to the issue of June, I said that the spirits of Lobengula and Kaguvi were now refusing with their country. Mr. Speaker I think that it is getting late, others are saying that they want to go, I believe with those few words hon. members have understood that charity begins at home, and peace starts with us, violence will not be tolerated. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

MR. HOVE: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank Hon. Chitando for raising such an important motion. However, it is with regret that such an important motion, given the background of the era we are in, that the hon. members tend to trivialise the motion. They abuse and lessen the motion with cheap propaganda when we have lives that have been transformed for the worst with issues to do with elections. Elections by nature are a regime change agenda and is a process that brings in some people into office and some out. However, when we look at our situation of transition of Government or political parties to run the affairs of this country has been treated as treasonous, some people refer it to issues of Nehanda and Chaminuka and so forth but I want to differ. Zimbabwe is a land for the living and not for the dead, the living desire good life and it is that motivation for a good life that drives people to want a particular party.

That desire, some people because of selfish interest, want to resist and by so doing we end up not having a peaceful transition of Government. Our history as Zimbabwe from 1980 up to now is loaded with atrocities which we need to deal with as a nation and if we fail, I know Hon. Navaya was trying to disquiet this House from calling for referrals of perpetrators of these atrocities to the ICC in Hague but I am of the point that if we do not deal with it here then do not blame those who drag you to the Hague. Right now this motion should open up opportunities for us to revisit and address the causes and those who are hurting as a result of the atrocities that have been perpetrated against Zimbabweans from 1980 up to now.

Mr. Speaker Sir, a desire for a change in Government is not foreign, it is an idea and is about us as human beings. The mere fact that you were relevant in 1980 does not make you relevant for life because when you look at the actors then and the current actors are different persons and personalities altogether. Political offices are not for life. We are occupying these offices or titles at the invitation of Zimbabweans. The same wisdom that elected me into this august House is the same wisdom that also elected other hon. members into this House and now when we have power, let us not be seen to be abusing that power to coerce those people. I as a product of a genuine, democratic and elected legislator, I want to inform other colleagues that it is possible to be elected to become a legislator here in Zimbabwe without shedding blood, without cutting limbs of people and without keeping people staying awake at night attending pungwes. It is possible to become a legislator without forcing people to attend your rallies. It is possible. We need to hear testimonies like what I am giving right now from hon. members from the other political divide, the opposition party.

Elections are not an event for those with power, they are for the general populace but here we have individuals who want to influence a polling outcome by threatening unspecified action or by threatening not to respect the will of the people. It is indeed sad. Elections should be a welcome event for people to take the leadership to account. However, the culture that has been enforced upon our nation is a leadership that resists being accountable to the people who elected it into office and they end up abusing the state security machinery, unleashing it on unarmed civilians.

Mr. Speaker Sir, we need to take some lessons on peaceful transitions of government that have been enlisted by Hon. Chitando. Could it be that there is something that we know? Could it be that Zambia, Senegal, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique do not know? When we have an election that brings out results that the world condemns, it is a signature for poverty and for oscillation of a country among a village of nations. Right now, you look at Zimbabweans wherever they are; they no longer carry a good name. Never mind that they are educated. Never mind that they are skilled.

I was reading in a newspaper I think it is a day or two ago where one of the headlines was saying Zimbabweans declared dirty. The reason why a nation of such pride, with skilled and educated people can be termed dirty is that we have not cleaned our politics. Politics is about ideas. I want to repeat Mr. Speaker Sir, politics is supposed to be a game of ideas that creates roads, that creates jobs, that creates wealth for the people, education and employment.

It is not all about taking people backwards. We do not feed on history; we feed on jobs, on good houses for now and not for history. We do not want to be taken backwards. When we look at everything in the world, it is moving forward. Let us be forward looking. Mr. Speaker Sir, we, as a country, my dream is for Zimbabwe not to be classified with the worst countries. When you look at various surveys being conducted, my dream is for Zimbabwe not to be occupying the bottom places but should be occupying the top places of good things or good surveys. When we look at our country right now, if it is doing business, we are almost at the bottom, corruption we are at the bottom, sports we are at the bottom. Even sports, we are occupying the bottom place. When we sought out the issue of elections Mr. Speaker Sir, it raises our esteem as a people, our pride as a country.

Our people will not want to be permanently based in the Diaspora where they are. They will come back when we sought out our politics and I want to agree with Hon. Chitando when he is saying the government should put in place mechanisms that ensure peaceful elections. Some of these mechanisms should address or take a look at issues and simplify or make it easy for Zimbabweans to register as voters. It is sad Mr. Speaker Sir that Zimbabweans are allowed whether they are Malawians, Mozambicans, or Zambian decent or whichever country to represent this country in sporting teams, but when it comes to selecting the leaders, they are denied that right. They are now classified as aliens. Only last week, there was a Zimbabwe vs Burundi soccer match and the people who played in that team where not classified as Zimbabwean aliens vs Burundi. They were all termed Zimbabweans. I am saying if we can accept aliens representing Zimbabwe in any sporting team, why we are excluding them in deciding the electoral affairs of this country. We should embrace aliens who want to contribute to the good of this country.

If we believe that elections can result in good coming to Zimbabwe, then those who are also contributing good should be welcome rather than excluding them. America has a nickname of being the land of immigrants. America right now is going through a very difficult economic period and the person who has saved America is a Kenyan, Barrack Obama. He is a Kenyan and the one who have saved. He has accomplished what people from the opposition party here hate so much, for doing whatsoever he did.

I will tell you Barrack is an African or Kenyan and has accomplished what George Bush failed to do to get Osama Bin Laden. That is an achievement we should be proud of. As an alien in America he has managed to steer the American economy from economic recession, a black African or a Kenyan, whatever you may want to call him. I do not want to belabour that point. Mr. Speaker Sir, I believe that we are also part of the mechanism that we need to see being put in place. We need to see the peace and security of the electorate and of the vote. We should respect that. Every state institute should be geared towards protecting the security of the electorate and the vote. What do we have in Zimbabwe? Right now we are talking of going back to elections yet we have not put in place measures that will cause us not to have another GNU which all of us agree is not working. It is not producing the results we would want yet we want to go back into another election without addressing the issues that resulted in a GNU. Mr. Speaker Sir, it will be very amiss if we are to go back into another election without correcting the anomalies that led into another GNU because we are going to have another GNU, that I can bet Mr. Speaker Sir.

So, I am of the opinion that we need to also look at the issue of voter registration. There is the aspect of the proof of residence as a qualification for one to be a voter. We need to do away with that. Why should a Zimbabwean be restricted to a particular sector, he should be free to choose in which constituency or ward he wants to register. Why would you want to restrict someone to a particular ward or let alone constituency. That in itself shows that we are not a free country. We are not an independent country. Why should we want to restrict? We are here in Harare; imagine if you were to be restricted to your constituency and not to set foot in Harare just because you come from wherever.

All our cities have attracted people from all over the country, but we know that our cities do attract a lot of migration of people from where they are originally from. So why should we punish someone who has decided to relocate to Harare to go back to where he came from to exercise his right to vote? We should do away with this. A national registration card should be sufficient means for one to participate in elections. Mr. Speaker Sir, there are many issues that are in the current Electoral Act. I know the amendments are supposed to be brought before this House; but when we look at some of the current expectations on one to vote whereby you coming into an enclosed polling station which is secure, you are given a ballot paper from legitimate officials in the presence of many witnesses. Then you are required to go at the back where there is secrecy and you exercise your choice. Then after having exercised your choice in secret, you are now made to appear before those very same people who gave you that ballot paper to say can you show it to us. This is a measure of intimidating someone especially those who are not well informed. That should be struck from our statutes. It is an undemocratic process. Why should you show your ballot paper even if it is folded?

So Mr. Speaker Sir, I want to thank the mover of this motion with these few words and I pray for Zimbabwe that we have a free and fair election come next time we are having these elections whenever. Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.

MR. MADZIMURE: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

MR. CHEBUNDO: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Thursday, 21st June, 2012.

On the motion of MR. MADZIMURE , seconded by MR. CHEBUNDOthe House adjourned at One Minute past Six o'clock p.m.

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