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Wednesday, 20th November, 2013.

The National Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two o'clock p.m.






THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order, hon. members, I wish to inform the House that the Ministry of Women Affairs, Gender and Community Development is inviting all members of the Women's Parliamentary Caucus to a half day workshop on prevention of rape and sexual abuse on Thursday, 21st November, 2013 at Rainbow Towers, Jacaranda Room from 0800 hours to 1300 hours.


MR. MADZIMURE: Thank you Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Local Government, Public Works and National Housing. Minister, it is on record that in 2005, the Government embarked on Murambatsvina and destroyed homes and left people homeless. The reason was that people had settled themselves and in 2013 again, the Ministry has embarked on the same programme. Can you explain? Is it a policy of Government to allow people to settle themselves with the Government fully aware of what is happening and then wait to destroy their homes, especially now that the rains are upon us?

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Can I ask the Minister to switch on his microphone.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND NATIONAL HOUSING (MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA): Thank you. Madam Speaker. I want to thank the hon. member for asking that question. It is never Government policy to allow people to illegally settle and then demolish their houses. The Government policy is to make sure that people are housed and sheltered and that is what has been obtaining on the ground. But however, we are seized with a situation whereby we have a chaotic land management that is existing in all our urban set-ups. It is Government policy to make sure that these are stopped and that there is proper planning; that people are properly housed and that people are afforded the shelter they deserve. The Government has got a National Housing Programme that will be unveiled soon to address such. Thank you.

MR. MADZIMURE: Minister, it is a fact that the Government has already started demolishing homes. Are you offering any alternative accommodation for those people because the Government was fully aware of these developments as the houses were being built. The Constitution also has a provision that does not allow the Government to make people homeless?

MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA: Thank you. Again I want to thank the hon. member. Government will not tolerate people staying in wetlands. Government will not tolerate people staying on sewer lines and Government will never tolerate people building on school sites. We as a Government, have taken a proper programme to address what we are looking at as a riotous situation whereby in all our suburbs, the people are building willy-nilly, disregarding the by-laws.

We have come up with a programme where we did meet the people who are affected,told them what we want to do and they have fully understood. What we then did was to send an audit team on the ground. The audit team has almost completed now and we are compiling the report. Based on that report, we are going to take action that will help those people who are illegally settled in very dangerous areas. In the wetlands, the houses are cracking now and in those wet lands, the so-called boreholes which are deep-wells are currently flooded with water mixed with fecal matter. During this rainy season, we are worried that we might have an outbreak of cholera.

So, we will wait for our report and once the report comes, we are going to address the illegal settlers, together with other citizens who want to be given homes. So, there is a plan there but we shall have specifics presented when we have the report. Thank you.

An hon. member's cellphone rings.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, I would like to remind hon. members to switch-off your cell-phones.

MR. MUTSEYAMI: Thank you Madam Speaker, with all due respect hon. Minister, to the presentation that you have done, that the Government will not tolerate buildings on wetlands, how do you explain the situation we have, whereby we have this Chinese Mall on a clear wetland by the National Sports Stadium?

MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA: Hon. Madam Speaker, the question posed, what we are saying is that at the present moment we are looking into the matter. It is being addressed and for now, there are no operations taking place there which is a sign that it is being looked into. We will revert to this august House with specifics.

MS. MUZUNGU-MASAITI: Thank you Madam Speaker. I just want to find out from the Minister, whether it is Government's policy that they do not respect human rights to make sure that people are afforded accommodation. I am saying this because in 2005, when it happened that there was Murambatsvina, the timing was not proper. It was done in winter time and now they also want to do it during the rainy season. Do you not think that the timing itself is also not good?

MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA: I want to address the issue of human rights vis-a-vis what we are doing on the ground. I have mentioned and I am repeating it again that we have a well organised programme to meet the needs of the people. We have sent an audit team on the ground whose report is coming up, on whose results we are going to put up a programme giving ample time and looking at the conditions that are available. The people who are illegally settled should vacate and we have an alternative. The alternative is not only specific to illegal settlers but to the whole citizenry.

The issue of human rights is being addressed in the sense that people are putting up structures in schools sect. They are not taking care of the rights of the children who are to move for so many kilometers to the next school. So we are addressing human rights in that form. The human rights of the person who is sitting or who is building on a sewer line - he is violating his own rights. We would want that person to stay on a proper place that does not harm him or her. We will locate the best…

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Address the Chair hon. Minister.

MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA: We will locate the best and healthy place for these people.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: While we are waiting for a report from the Ministry, can we have another question without notice.

*MR. MATAMBANADZO: Thank you Madam Speaker Sir. Madam Speaker Sir… - [Laughter]-

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. It is Madam Speaker in the Chair.

*MR. MATAMBANADZO: Madam Speaker Ma'am - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] - Chirunguka ichi. Ndiri kudzidzira. Hapana chakashata.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. Can we have order so that the Minister hears what the question is?

*MR. MATAMBANADZO: My question is directed to the Minister of Local Government and National Housing. On illegal settlers, it is being reported that their houses are going to be demolished. If these houses are demolished during this rain season, whilst they had built…

*THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. Can we have order in the House? Hon. member, the Minister has indicated that he will present a report in this House on the programme of resettling illegal settlers and where they are going to be settled. Can we please spare him for now then we will ask questions after presentation of the report? Can we have another question without notice?

MS. ZINDI: Thank you Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Local Government and National Housing. It has to do with the policy on street vendors who have again flooded the pavements. What is the action they intend to take since they are implementing clean-up of the cities in regards to housing?

MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA: Madam Speaker, our ministry has embarked on a clean-up campaign together with the local authorities. We have a series of meetings with local authorities and we have sent out to all the local authorities to give us a programme of clean-up and waste management. This has started with Harare; for example Mbare clean-up, it was part of that campaign. If you go to the central business district, there is evident effort to clean-up vendors who are vending in un designated areas.

MS. BUNJIRA: Thank you Madam Speaker Ma'am. My question is directed to the Minister of Presidential Affairs in the President's Office but I cannot see him. I will direct the question to the Leader of Government Business in Parliament.

I understand that Ganyami Diamond Mining was initially a joint venture between ZMDC and Beam Minerals before the shareholding structure changed. The new structure, ZMDC with 50%, ZRP with 20%, …

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. member, can you put your question in writing so that the Minister can research on that?

MR. D. P. SIBANDA: Thank you Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Agriculture, Mechanisation and Irrigation Development. I want to find out from the Minister what policy measures the ministry is taking during this time of serious food shortages in order to reduce the stringent measures of importing maize into the country especially for people that live on border areas with countries where we are importing food as a nation.

THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, MECHANISATION AND IRRIGATION DEVELOPMENT (DR. MADE): Madam Speaker, I hope I heard the question properly. The Government is importing food. The private sector is importing food. So I am not sure what the hon. member means.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. member, may you put your question in writing?

MRS. NYAMUPINGA: Thank you Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Small and Medium Enterprises and Co-operative Development. If she is not around, I will direct it to the Leader of Government Business or to the Senior Minister. I would like to find out if it is Government policy to exclude some of the economic sectors from the SMEs such as tourism?


THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Hon. Minister did not hear the question. Can the hon. member ask her question slowly so that we understand what she is saying?

MRS. NYAMUPINGA: Thank you Madam Speaker. I was saying that my question is directed to the Minister of Small and Medium Enterprises and Cooperative Development or to the Leader of Government Business or to the Senior Minister of State in the President's Office. Is it Government policy to exclude some of the economic sectors from the SMEs such as tourism?

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think the question is supposed to be answered by three ministers. I do not know whether the Senior Minister can answer partially. If he cannot, the hon. member has to put the question in written form so that the ministers will answer.

MR. CHIKWINYA: My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Health and Child Care. The Government recently embarked on an immunisation programme against bilharzia for children aged between the ages of three and fifteen years. Firstly, the parents were not consulted especially in my constituency. Is it Government policy to immunise children without the parents' consent?

Secondly, the three children - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] -

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. Hon. members, let him finish his question.

MR. CHIKWINYA: Three children are reported to have died as a result of this programme. Can the hon. minister tell us what the Government has done to avoid further deaths and why this programme is so much necessary to the extent that it is being done without parental consent?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HEALTH AND CHILD CARE (DR. CHIMEDZA): Thank you Madam Speaker. I would like to thank Hon. Chikwinya for asking a very important question. Firstly, let me clarify that this was not an immunisation programme; it was a mass drug administration programme. Immunisation, is administered to prevent further infections but this one was given to treat infection. It was not an immunization programme but was a mass drug administration to treat infections.

Let me give you a bit of background. We have what we call neglected tropical diseases which include bilharzia, intestinal worms, sleeping sickness and elephantiasis. Periodically, the ministry is required to take a deep survey and see how the prevalence of these diseases is in the whole country. This survey was done in 2010 and out of that, a frightening report came out and of the 63 districts we have, 53 of them were infested with schistosomiasis which is intestinal worms. In simple language, it is called bilharzia and intestinal worms.

In districts such as Shamva, 62 percent of children were infected with these diseases. In some schools, over 90 percent of the children were affected. As a responsible Ministry of Health and Child Care, we have got to respond to such a calamity; otherwise the whole generation will be wiped out by these diseases.

In response, the best practice is to conduct a mass drug administration programme over a period of time. This started last year and it will run for five years. The drugs that we used were known to be safe. They have been tested and we have used them for years. If you ask any medical practitioner, they will tell you.

The consent that you talked about - what we usually do is awareness to parents. In some schools, they were asked to sign consent and they did sign. Ideally, it is a public health programme that everyone should participate. I will give you an example. If you have a primary school child who has bilharzia and is sharing toilets with hundreds of other children; if you treat all of them and leave that one child, you have destroyed the whole school. They will just go to the same toilet and get infected by one child. So, it is important that everyone participates.

Suffice to say, as a ministry, I am explaining on the three children that were alleged to have died because of the programme. In any drug administration, there are bound to be side effects and in these particular drugs, one of the side effects is not usually death. They will have dizziness, collapse here and there and they vomit if they take the drugs without eating. So, we were equally shocked when these deaths were associated with the administration of these drugs.

As a ministry, we instituted investigations. Unfortunately, for one of the children, when our officials got there, the child had already been buried. You have to understand that these children allegedly died five to six days after the administration of the drug. The two that had their postmortems done, one of the children did not die because of the drug. They had what is called mesenteric adenitis. In simple language, they had a salmonella infection, which is what killed the child - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections] -

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order hon. members.

DR. CHIMEDZA: Salmonella is a type of bacteria that causes that kind of infection. It has nothing to do with any drug. In fact, it was further found out that the first child refused to take drugs and the second child died because of diarrhoea and vomiting. If you go to my weekly statistics of deaths, every week we will have six to eight children dying because of diarrhoea and it has nothing to do with drugs. It is important for a national programme as crucial as this one, to get the correct information. These children died and as a ministry, it is very unfortunate for any child to lose life under any condition, be it drugs or diarrhoea. As a ministry, we are very concerned but let me just say, these deaths were not as a result of the mass drug administration. I thank you Madam Speaker.

MR. NDUNA: My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Health and Child Care, Dr. Chimedza and it will not need as much vocabulary as might have been needed by Hon. Chikwinya. In 2000, we embarked as a nation on the Agrarian Reform Programme and as alluded to by the Minister of Health; he is going to make sure that he spearheads more than a thousand health institutions, establishments in clinic form. We have, as a constituency in Chegutu West, started establishing clinics in former farm houses. Some of these clinics are already operating. What I want to know is, what is Government's policy regarding effective staffing of these clinics or health institutions effective …

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, hon. member can you please come to the point so that the minister is able to answer you.

MR. NDUNA: I want to know what Government policy is with regard to the effective staffing of these clinics that are coming up, effective equipping and the payment of utility bills of these clinics.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF HEALTH AND CHILD CARE (DR. CHIMEDZA): Allow me to thank the hon. member for asking a very pertinent question. It is the policy of the ministry to provide clinics, what we call rural health centres every 8 - 10 km. This was done adequately in the rural areas but in the new resettlements, unfortunately, it has not been done adequately at the moment. The farm houses that had been converted, yes, it is important for our Ministry to adequately staff them. The problem we have at the moment is that there is a Government freeze on posts including health care posts. At the moment, the nurse to patient ratio in some areas is about 1 - 15 when the idea is 1 - 4. We have - [MR. ZWIZWAI: Inaudible interjection] -

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. member, order.

DR. CHIMEDZA: What we are saying as a ministry, we want probably through the powers that be or to urge this House to make sure that these posts are unfrozen. We have nurses that we have trained that are roaming the streets and we also have an acute shortage of nurses in the hospitals. That is why I said that question is very important. It is our desire to put nurses that are adequate to look after our people in each and every health centre including those former farm houses that we have converted to clinics. It is our desire to do so but we need to have the capacity by unfreezing the posts for nurses in Government.

MR. MADZIMURE: Minister, have you formally requested the lifting of - [AN. HON. MEMBER: Sanctions] - [Laughter] - the freeze on the posts that you have in the ministry with the Minister of Finance and what has been the response if you have asked for the lifting of the freeze?

DR. CHIMEDZA: Yes, as a ministry we have done that. If you remember sometime this year, there were a few posts that were unfrozen but obviously highly inadequate to cater for the nation's health needs. We are continuously engaging the Minister of Finance so that those posts can be unfrozen but probably, if this august House could make a decision or enough noise about the issue, we will have these posts unfrozen.

Let me just paint a picture of what is happening. When you train a nurse for three years and this nurse, after using Government's money, you put them in the streets. They lose the skill and after three years they cannot be a nurse anymore and will need to be retrained. It is really something that as a ministry we are very worried about and we really want, as a matter of urgency, to have all nurses' posts unfrozen for the benefit of this nation.

MR. ZWIZWAI: How does your ministry justify the retrogressive points of continuous freezing of posts viz-a-viz the national drive to create 2,4 million jobs?

DR. CHIMEDZA: I think the hon. member is not even listening. Madam Speaker, I am addressing it to you. This question was misdirected because my ministry does not employ civil servants. We are a consumer of that service and that is why we are appealing to those that employ and pay to unfreeze the posts.

MR. MBWEMBWE: My question to the Minister of Local Government is in two parts. Can you explain hon. minister the proposed e-tolling for urban areas? Can you also explain to this House, the high increase in towing fees, for example, from $80 - $180 for small vehicles, and heavy vehicles and kombis from $412 - $415. My question is, are those the kind of solutions that we are looking at, to tame the traffic jungle or we should be looking at creating more parking space?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND NATIONAL HOUSING (MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA): I think the question is misdirected, it is supposed to go to the Minister of Transport. However, he mentioned the issue of parking space. These are the issues that we are looking at in order to bring sanity to traffic. A study has been carried out to see how we can de-congest our urban centres and very soon, especially in Harare, Harare City will be announcing a solution that they have come up with to ease congestion.

MR. MBWEMBWE: Hon. minister, the proposed increase for example, in tolling fees is going to be signed by the Minister of Local Government and that is why we ask the question.

MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA: Can I ask the hon. member to put that question in writing.

* MR. CHINOTIMBA: My question is directed to the Minister of Home Affairs and concerns the issue of piracy of music, CDs or films. Do we have a proper policy? Do we have stiffer penalties against pirating because it is killing the indigenisation programme?

THE SENIOR MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE (MR S. K. MOYO): I want to thank Hon. Chinotimba for his question. Indeed there is a law in place against piracy. Maybe the problem, from his own observation, is on enforcement. I believe that the Ministry is aware of this, we have read so much about this problem and I am quite certain that if this is again brought to the ministry's attention and manpower allowing, I suppose reinforcement can then take its course.

I will definitely draw the attention of this matter to the Minister of Home Affairs. Thank you.

MR. MHONA: My question is directed to the Minister of Tourism and Hospitality Industry. We appreciate your initiative in coming up with a robust tourism village and township. What is the Government policy on ensuring that the local players fully tap into this lucrative industry?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY (MR MZEMBI): Madam Speaker, in a couple of weeks we shall be launching the new tourism policy, by and large it captures the drafting in of local communities into the economic value chain in tourism. He asked a specific question on how villagers can be part of the action. Let me start by saying that the economic activities that we ordinarily find in villages has to do with the production of crops and what would otherwise end up as inputs in the supply chain management of hotels.

The Minister is prescribing a policy very soon that will compel the hospitality industry to procure its inputs which it can justify to be supplied by locals, particularly the local agriculture productive base. This includes items like tomatoes, onions and any other inputs that go into the preparation of meals. I am hoping that we can integrate our production in agriculture and other areas into the supply chain of the hospitality industry. Thank you Madam Speaker.

MR. SHUMBA: Thank you Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Small and Medium Enterprises and Co-operative Development. In view of the need to stimulate economic activity in the rural areas, what is the policy of Government in supporting and uplifting of rural entrepreneurs?

May the Minister also elaborate on what initiatives she has lined up for this economy? Thank you.

THE MINISTER OF SMALL AND MEDIUM ENTEPRISES AND CO-OPERATIVE DEVELOPMENT (MRS NYONI): May I thank the hon. member for a very important question. My Ministry's policy is to serve SMEs all over the country but our emphasis this year is going to be in rural industrialisation. We are putting all emphasis in rural areas, because that is where the majority of our people are. We have been doing that all along. Some of you will remember that the World Bank published a report, this year, in July, 2013. It said that there are about 2. 8 million small businesses in Zimbabwe right now, 60% of those are in agriculture, which therefore means they are in rural areas.

Most of the SMEs we have are in agriculture which includes horticulture, tobacco, cotton growing and even maize as business. The plans that we have for rural areas is that we would like to stimulate agriculture as business but also offer off farm businesses. As you are aware hon. members that we were working with Indo-Zimbabwe and we have placed machinery in most rural centres throughout the country and we are encouraging SMEs around those areas like Gokwe, Chimanimani, Gwelutshena, Nkayi and Lupane to use that machines so that they improve their products.

We also have plans to stimulate business around honey production so that in combination with that, we are encouraging people to conserve their forests and plant more trees and flowers so that there will be enough honey in the country and also for export. On the 4th December 2013, we will be launching our first programme in Chimanimani where we have set a new factory for honey production.

The second one will be around growing avocadoes so that we extract oil from avocadoes and market them to those that make cosmetics. When you go to rural areas in Manicaland, Mashonaland East and Lower Gweru in Midlands, you will find a lot of fruits that are just rotting there. From next year onwards, we are going to collect those fruits to be produced into fruit juice. We also have a programme on production of leather and leather products. When people slaughter animals in rural areas, they throw away the hides. What we are going to do this time is to make sure that in each village, there is an agent that is supported by SEDCO with salt and other techniques of preserving skins. These will be collected and sold. We used to do that and Zimbabwe was very famous for its leather and leather products. We want to revive that. That is one of the industries that we want to embark on.

I want to encourage hon. members that come from the rural areas that when there are funerals, weddings or parties, encourage your people to sell the hides because that will be an income for them as well as business for whoever is going to be an agent.

We have a lot of plans and businesses that we are going to emplement with people in rural areas. If you are interested, my ministry is available to come to your constituency and work with you.

MR. S. CHIDHAKWA : My question is directed to the Minister of Primary and Secondary Education. We have heard in the press teachers complaining bitterly about their remuneration and living conditions when they are marking examinations. What is the Government doing to correct this anomaly? Secondly, is this not going to compromise the results of the children?

THE MINISTER OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION (MR. DOKORA): Thank you very much for raising those two questions. It is common cause that the Government of the Republic of Zimbabwe undertook to pay for the Grade 7 examinations exercise for the past two years. That payment has yet to be received by ZIMSEC. However, even in the absence of that payment from Treasury, we have urged ZIMSEC to manage the marking and processing of the Grade 7 examinations on the back of their savings elsewhere. That has been the case in the last year and the current year.

That there have been newspaper reports talking about teachers receiving US$2 remuneration for the marking exercise, I think it is splitting the hairs in the media. The appropriate payments will be made to those teachers who undertook the marking exercise. ZIMSEC is aware of its responsibilities -[HON MEMBERS: How much?]. I am aware that if you wish to have greater detail beyond that, you will have to put that in writing but I can assure you that ZIMSEC will be settling that.

The second part of the question on whether this will not compromise - since the first part does not arise, the second part falls away.

MR. MASHAYAMOMBE : My question is directed to the Minister of Agriculture, Mechanisation and Irrigation Development. What is Government's policy on urban agriculture in view of the situation in Harare? The rains are upon us but we have never received inputs in urban areas. What is Government's plan because urban farming increases food security?

THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, MECHANISATION AND IRRIGATION DEVELOPMENT (DR. MADE): Let me start by affirming that it is true that urban agriculture contributes significantly to food security. In actual fact, last year peri-urban farming in Harare contributed close to 40 000 metric tonnes of maize. That is important.

However, we have to be careful in terms of urban areas in relationship to rules and regulations. Otherwise it is fully recognised that peri-urban agriculture does make a contribution and that is not only for Harare but countrywide and the world over. Pertaining to inputs, generally speaking we have not factored in peri-urban households but it is a point that I have noted and we will see what we can do. Generally, the peri-urban farmers have done well and have looked after themselves.

Oral Answers to Questions Without Notice were interrupted by THE DEPUTY SPEAKER in terms of Standing Order Number 34.



THE MINISTER OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION (MR. DOKORA): As hon. members of this august House may be aware, reports have been received on an examination paper leakage as follows:

Geography Paper II and Integrated Science Paper II. These papers were taken on 14th and 18th November, 2013 respectively. The leakages were reported in the following provinces - Harare (Epworth) and Midlands (Kwekwe).

I would like to assure hon. members that law enforcement agents, including those from Serious Fraud, have already done a commendable job. Some of the alleged perpetrators have started appearing at the Magistrates Court in Harare while those in the Midlands (six teachers and their acting head) are in police hands.

Of serious concern to the ministry is the fact that one of the suspects, who is not employed in my ministry, has previously served time for a similar offence. It may be necessary to think on the balance of probability that our laws may be leaning more towards this class of our citizenry than in the preservation of the integrity of our school examination system. While ZIMSEC carries out its mandate, it has become necessary, to urge them to remain vigilant without sparing any effort or available resources to tighten possible weak links in the examination chain.

However, my officials too, have commenced disciplinary processes (suspension order and hearings) for those suspects that are subject to standing rules and regulations simultaneously with the criminal proceedings in the open courts. Hon. members, I thank you for your indulgence.

MR. CHIKWINYA: Thank you Madam Speaker. The doctrine of accountability states that the head is accountable for the system which he superintends. We have gone for so many years, year in -year out. examination papers leaking at ZIMSEC. I believe that it is not enough to arrest perpetrators. It is not enough to fire heads and to fire ministry officials. A descent minister, a minister who respects his own call of duty, will resign under such circumstances -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-


MR. CHIKWINYA: We had Minister Garwe in the Zimbabwean Government, under similar circumstances resigned to show that he was serious in trying to put the house in order. I want the minister, before he considers resigning, what mechanisms are you going to put in place that you put this whole rot to an end? - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-


MR. DOKORA: Madam Speaker, I thank the hon. member for speaking with such a passion showing his deep concern for the education system, which we superintend on behalf of all of us. Indeed, we must all be part of the call of duty to maintain the integrity of our system. For the details, they will be provided once investigations are complete. I think Madam Speaker; let me not explain the preliminary report. I would rather wait for the complete report and then, I will make further comments on this matter. Thank you.

*MR. CHINOTIMBA: Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Primary and Secondary Education. Even though the previous speaker has said what he thinks about the leakage of examination papers, I want to know what happens to people who steal papers, like Komichi? These are the same people - [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. Let us hear the hon. member in silence.

*MR. CHINOTIMBA: Thank you Madam Speaker. The same papers which were stolen by Komichi, it is the same people -HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible injections]-


MR. GONESE: First and foremost, Madam Speaker, two members from this side of the House stood up to raise a point of order and they were ignored by the Chair. I believe that is in violation of the Standing Orders. My point of order is that the question by Hon. Chinotimba is misdirected. The question raised does not relate to the issues raised by the ministerial statement -HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. Hon. members, let us have order in the House.

MR. GONESE: Hon. Komichi is a member of the Senate and he has to be referred to as the hon. member.

- [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. Let us have order. When I call for order, I mean order.

I thought you had made your point of order, come up if you want to make a point of order.

MR. GONESE: I was still in the process of articulating the point of order and I should be allowed to complete. I was also going to say that, Hon. Senator Morgan Komichi is a member of the Senate and I think that all hon. members must be referred to as such. Hon. Chinotimba was disrespectful in referring to Hon. Komichi, who is a member of the Senate, who is an hon. senator. To conclude Madam Speaker, the Ministerial Statement has had no mention to examination papers.

What Hon. Chinotimba was referring to is, he was going off at a tangent. There is no correlation between the ballot paper and examination papers.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. Gonese, what is your point of order

MR. GONESE: So, my point of order is that the question is not appropriate and it should be ruled out of order.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. Gumbo, what is your point of order?

DR. J. M. GUMBO: My point of order was against my counterpart that the Speaker is very competent to make a point of order, rather than to be told how to respond to a statement. -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order. Hon. Gonese, the hon. minister can answer Hon. Chinotimba because there is no point of order.

MR. DOKORA: Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker and I thank Hon. Chinotimba for the views that he raised following my Ministerial Statement here. Ordinarily, the Ministerial Statement would have been merely a matter of information to enable members to be abreast with what is going on. His comments relating to those that breach the security of things, pilfering and so on, those comments, as they relate to the examination system, obviously, we concur. But, as I indicated earlier, this is really a status report on what has transpired in the ministry. Thank you.



1. HON. CHINOTIMBA asked the Minister of Local Government,

Public Works and National Housing to explain whether it is Government policy for local authorities to employ Zimbabwean citizens and issue residential stands on partisan basis; and to state measures that Government has put in place to curb such malpractices?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND NATIONAL HOUSING (MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA): Madam Speaker, the first part of the question is misdirected. Recruitment of Government employees is absolutely the programme of the now Civil Service Commission (CSC).

However, with reference to the second part of the question, I want to categorically state that the Government has no such policy that discriminates along political lines. After all, any discrimination is against the Constitution of the Republic of Zimbabwe. Every Zimbabwean has a right to have a place to live and therefore, entitled to a decent and permanent home, irrespective of political affiliation. My ministry is in charge of State land management, however, we have decentralised the management of this State land to local authorities. There are formal procedures to be adhered to by any prospective beneficiary of State land, which by and large, involve application for a residential stand indicating the place of preference; and upon receipt of such application, a waiting list number is given. This is followed by an allocation or offer as and when the stands become available in the preferred area.

Madam Speaker, the laid down procedures and due process that I have highlighted, is testimony of Government's commitment towards guaranteeing and safeguarding tendencies of allotting the land resource on partisan lines. I thank you Madam Speaker.


2. MR. SARUWAKA asked the Minister of Local Government, Public Works and National Housing to clarify whether a mayor or a council chairperson has authority to;

i) Block councillors of political parties from being members of any

committee of their choice

ii) Bar councillors of political parties from being members of a

specific committee as was the case in Mutasa Rural District Council where MDC-T councillors were barred from being members of the Finance Committee

iii) To clarify the position regarding the chairing of committees by different political parties in rural district councils, town boards and municipalities especially the Audit Committee.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND NATIONAL HOUSING (MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA): Madam Speaker, I would want to merge these three questions into one. Let it be clearly known to this august House that neither the Urban Council Act [Chapter 29:15] nor the Rural District Councils Act [Chapter 29:13] provides for the appointment of committee members or chairpersons on partisan basis. More so, no individual wields authority to bar any councillor from being a member or chairperson of any committee because of his or her political affiliation; as such power is enjoyed by the entirety of the local authority membership.

Section 96 of the Urban Councils Act [Chapter 29:15] provides for the appointment of Standing Committees of Council, while sections 97 and 100 of the same Act provides for the appointment of an Audit Committee and Special Committees respectively. Sections 55 to 62 of the Rural District Councils Act [Chapter 29:13] also provides for the appointment of various committees of council.

So, Madam Speaker, any position to be filled through appointment as opposed to an election should naturally take cognisance of someone's expertise, educational background, experience and certainly the leadership qualities where necessary. It is our expectation that such criteria were considered across the country when committees were constituted in councils.

Madam Speaker, the alleged experience at Mutasa Rural District Council has not been formally communicated to my office. The allegations that MDC-T councillors were barred from being members of the Finance or Audit Committees or chairing either could have arisen from other factors considered by council, which may not be political. If there is a genuine case that warrants redress, I am eager to intervene, provided the affected councillors formally make representations at my offices at whatever level, and demonstrate that their absence in certain committees was due to exclusive political vendetta.

Madam Speaker, may I also remind the Hon. MP that I believe in any open door policy approach to public issues and those aggrieved against actions of councils should not hesitate to approach my offices for explanations, clarifications or my intervention. In conclusion Madam Speaker, may I reiterate and emphasise that councils do appoint committee members basing on a number of considerations, some of which I have cited above, except for one's political affiliation. Thank you.


3. MR. GONESE asked the Minister of Local Government, Public Works and National Housing, to explain:

i) The circumstances surrounding the inordinate delay in the completion of the Harare International Airport Road linking with Enterprise Road; and

ii) Why municipal land was transferred to a contractor prior to completion of the project?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND NATIONAL HOUSING (MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA): Madam Speaker, I would like to give a thorough explanation on this question as it has raised a lot of concerns in many sectors. The agreement for the airport road project was signed in early 2008, during the Zimbabwean Dollar era and the agreed payment plan was in exchange with land pieces. This required the land pieces to be identified and placed in a Trust. The initial land pieces were only identified and agreed upon with the contractor in mid 2008. This then allowed work on the road to start whilst more land pieces were being identified. The process of identifying land pieces has been long and tedious. This accounts for part of the delay in the road construction process.

During the initial implementation stages of the project, the new Council that came into office in June 2008 requested to see the various agreements pertaining to the project before going forward with the implementation. The validation of various contracts and procedures took more than 6 months, thereby further delaying the project.

Madam Speaker, this august House may be aware that this road passes through a built up area with a maze of utility infrastructures. Some of this infrastructure was not identified on the available drawings, hence, these were only discovered when the work was being carried out. The discovery of some of these utility infrastructure resulted in the construction work being suspended so as to relocate them.

This was the case with the 11 and 33KVA lines where power had to be switched off before work was carried out. The above mentioned lines are critical in that, they are the main feeder lines to the airport. The switching off of power required close coordination among the airport, ZESA and the contractor personnel to avoid disruptions at the airport. Thus, this realignment took significant time, thereby delaying the project.

The implementation of this project also requires significant financial working capital resources. This has been negatively affected by the economic hardships experienced in the country. This is contributing to the delays in completing the road.

Madam Speaker, the agreement was that the identified land pieces for the road project were to be deposited in a land Trust. Accordingly, the various land pieces were held in a Trust. All these pieces of land in Trust belonged to the City of Harare and were to be transferred upon completion of a road segment.

Periodically, the contractor presented work completed. The information was made available to the external project consultant for validation. The validated work done was passed on to the City of Harare engineers for further checks and approval. The confirmed and approved work completed triggered the transfer of land pieces equivalent in value to the work completed and approved. Thus far, the land pieces transferred are equivalent to the work done and approved by the City of Harare in accordance with the processes outlined above. Thank you.

MR. MADZIMURE: Thank you Madam Speaker. Hon. minister, how could the contract be signed without determining the value of the pieces of land equivalent to the value of the road construction? Was it deliberate that the value of the land was inflated? If it was not deliberate, how was the contract signed without determining the value of the pieces of land?

MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA: Thank you Madam Speaker, as I highlighted, this contract was signed in 2008 during the Zimbabwean dollar era. The validation of the costs, as you are all aware, was changing on a daily basis. However, mechanisms were put in place to make sure that after the Zimbabwean Dollar, work done would be commensurate with the cost of each piece of land. Thank you.

MR. CHIKWINYA: Thank you Madam Speaker. My question is, observing the road in its current state, it is obviously going to be a busy road since it leads to the airport. In other areas it is located at a distance of about a metre away from residential durawalls. What precautionary measures are you going to put in place to preserve safety of the residents and motorists?

MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA: Thank you Madam Speaker. Residents have already been given notices of the intended extent of the road, which is in accordance with our Bylaws. Thank you.

*MR. MADZIMURE: Let me present my question in Shona. When we are talking of the construction of a road, we get into a contract which states that the construction of a road stretching from Harare to the airport will be in exchange with certain pieces of land. The road construction should only have started after that agreement has been entered into. The contract entered into with the contractor was not supposed to be affected by dollarisation process because an agreement had already been made. What then led to the increase in the pieces of land given in exchange for the construction of the road? What kind of a contract is this?

MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA: Madam Speaker, I will avail the details of the agreement on the next sitting day. I will assure the House that all these agreements were done above board.


5. MR. MADUBEKO asked the Minister of Local Government, Public Works and National Housing to explain to the House;

i) Why Chiefs were last issued vehicles in 2004

ii) The Ministry's plans to consider the plight of chiefs.

iii) The Government's policy to construct and electrify chiefs' homesteads.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND NATIONAL HOUSING (MR. PASIHOMUSHA-MATIZA): Madam Speaker, it may please this august House to note that the assertion that the chiefs last received vehicles in 2004 is inaccurate. It was the year in which the programme was launched, with the batch of chiefs' vehicles issued at the installation of Chief Nyamaropa in Shamva. The last batch was issued in 2010 in Kariba at the Annual Chiefs' Conference. What may be true is that some of the vehicles issued have outlived their lifespan. The ministry has not been able to assist chiefs to replace their vehicles due to budgetary constraints. Numerous requests for funds were made to the then Minister of Finance but to no avail.

Madam Speaker, our ministry continues to lobby the Ministry of Finance to avail more resources to enable us to fulfill our mandate of extending assistance to chiefs for the purchase of vehicles through the Chiefs' Vehicles Revolving Fund as provided in the gazette Statutory Instrument 14 of 2013; Traditional Leaders [Benefits and Conditions of Service] Regulations, 2013. We hope that the matter will be granted prominence in the 2013/2014 National Budget so that we honour our commitment in as far as the chiefs' vehicles are concerned.

Madam Speaker, the construction of chiefs' homesteads is covered under the Rural Housing Programme. However, just like the Chiefs Vehicle Loan Scheme, the programme has been hamstrung by resource constraints.

Madam Speaker, the electrification of chiefs' homesteads is an ongoing programme. It is worth noting that the chieftainship institution is transient in nature as after the death of the incumbent, the chieftainship moves to the next house, even if the previous chiefs would have benefitted. We have to provide for the new chief and therefore, it becomes difficult to attain 100% coverage all the time.

Madam Speaker, the extension of the electricity grid to chiefs' homesteads does not only end with uplifting the welfare of our esteemed chiefs but also enhances their deportment as an institution of traditional leadership and at the same time improving their environment at community level as communities will take opportunities to hook on the power line for domestic use and various developmental projects.

We desire to improve the chiefs' welfare and positive externalities associating in the programme compel us to pursue the policy on electrification vigorously.





Total Electricity Per Province

Total Boreholes Per Province

Matabeleland South (28) Substantive Chiefs









Masvingo (25) Substantive Chiefs









Manicaland (21) Substantive Chiefs









Midlands (45) Substantive Chiefs





Matabeleland North (36) Substantive Chiefs









Mashonaland West (19) Substantive Chiefs









Mashonaland East (26) Substantive Chiefs





Mashonaland Central (20) Substantive Chiefs











Mashonaland East Province is still to submit the figures for chiefs who have benefitted under the Rural Electrification Programme.

Total number of Substantive Chiefs 220

Total number of Chiefs with electricity 72

Total number of boreholes 38.

I thank you.


7. MR. GONESE asked the Minister of Tourism and Hospitality Industry to give an update on progress made by the Ministerial Task-Force mandated to investigate the invasion of the Save Conservancy and recommendations made to government in that regard.

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY (MR. MZEMBI): Thank you Madam Speaker, I am required to give an update on the progress made by the Ministerial Task-Force which investigated the invasion of Save Valley Conservancy and in response to the question asked by Hon. Gonese, the hon. member of the House will recall that in 2012, Cabinet formed a Ministerial Task-Force which was led by the then Deputy Prime Minister, Professor Arthur Mutambara. Its membership was constituted by the following ministries. Ministry of Home Affairs, Ministry of Environment and Natural Resources Management , Ministry of Youth, Empowerment and Indigenisation, Ministry of Lands and Rural Resettlement and my own ministry; Ministry of Tourism and Hospitality Industry.

The Ministerial Task-Force met and deliberated on some way forward and various models to impose on the Save Valley Conservancy. But, I regret to inform this House that before the Committee could finalise on this issue, the life of the Inclusive Government came to an end, and hence the matter has been rolled over as outstanding business for this new Cabinet.

Further to that, I wish to inform hon. members that a new Task-Force has since been put in place led by the Minister of Environment and Climate, Minister Kasukuwere and the composition of the Task-Force has largely remained the same. I am informed that during my absence, I have been away in the last two weeks, I came back last night. In my absence, the Committee met and deliberated on a futuristic model, which they are yet to present to Cabinet and I am hoping that next week, on Tuesday, we can hear on the model that was finally adopted by the Committee, but it is going to be a matter concluded soon. I thank you.


THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: On question 8, Hon. Mackenzie is not in and if the Minister has the answer, he can give it to the Hansard.

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY (MR. MZEMBI): Madam Speaker, as I have just alluded to, I have just been confronted with these questions and I have just been conferring with the Clerks here, that, am I allowed to give these answers orally and they said, minister we would prefer that the answers come in writing but I have said I am competent enough to give them even orally but they insisted that I should bring them in written form so, I defer to the wisdom of the Clerks.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Thank you Hon. Minister.


9. MR. MAWERE asked the Minister of Tourism and Hospitality Industry to explain to the House the:

(i) strategies the Ministry has to promote domestic tourism (ZTA);

(ii) why Tourism resort areas are charging exorbitant fees for local entries for example Victoria Falls.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Minister of Tourism, you are not ready for the question?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY (MR. MZEMBI): Madam Speaker, I am ready for both questions but I have just been advised by the Clerks that they would prefer that I table written responses. So, I have basically defaulted to the wisdom of the Clerkship. Thank you.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: But the questioner is here and I think those questions where the questioner is not present, are the ones you will give to the Hansard.

MR. MZEMBI: If you over rule the Clerks and you ask me to respond, I will do so Madam Speaker.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Are you in a position to answer, because Hon. Mawere is here? Hon. Mawere, do you prefer a written answer?

MR. MAWERE: It is up to the Minister Madam Speaker whether to answer now or bring a written answer.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: So you prefer now?

MR. MZEMBI: Thank you Madam Speaker. I will tackle the first question part by part; strategies the Ministry have to promote domestic tourism and proceed to say Madam Speaker, that after the successful conclusion of the 20th Session of the UNWTO General Assembly, my Ministry has basically looked inside. We are now focusing on Zimbabwe, the domestic market.

This is going to be inspired by a UNWTO generated Tourism Master Plan that we are currently answering in parts because we do not have a budget to implement a wholesome domestic Tourism Master Plan. We have broken it into parts, to attack it at provincial level. So, we will kick off with three domestic regional spatial plans that include in the first instance, the Victoria Falls, Kariba and Masvingo as Phase 1 and we will roll over into Phase 2 to include the other provincial centers.

But looking at domestic tourism demand, Madam Speaker, it is a function of the ability of Government to raise a middle class that can respond to the product. Up until last week when there were no pronouncements, especially with the civil service, on salaries that can enable them to take up holidays, it was almost an impossible dream. I am happy to say that the pronouncement by Government to align the salaries of civil servants to the Poverty Datum Line (PDL), in itself, constitutes one of the strategic measures to induce capacity within our people, to be able to spend or serve for a holiday and we will be tapping into that.

In line with that, I pronounced in Cabinet that I have directed my Ministry and stakeholders to immediately come up with an incentive, a travel scheme that will commence first with civil servants. We want our people to begin a holiday culture. They are inherently holiday makers in their own making. You see them retreating on Fridays to go to kumusha or their farms. That in itself constitutes travel and it constitutes holiday but more importantly, we are going to induce it. We are going to incentivise it by making sure that civil servants to take at least three days out of 365 days a year where they are compelled to take a holiday. There is a task force that has been set between my ministry, the ZTA and industry that is looking at that incentive travel going forward. It is meant to unlock the huge potential that lies in domestic tourism.

The second product relates to school tourism. There has been a tradition in the past where school children were compelled to take at least one school trip per term or per year depending on their affordability. They would then begin to understand and learn their holiday resorts from locations and such designated tourism facilities. We are bringing that product back into stream. My ministry is engaging the Ministry of Primary and Secondary Education to see if we can begin almost immediately to put that product in place. We are on the shopping list of at least 100 vehicles, that includes an assortment of vehicles and minibuses that shall be stationed in provinces and will be at the call of schools. This will promote this side of tourism.

The third product that we are going to be working on which answers the domestic market will involve religious tourism. I know this subject has been in the public domain for quite some time; it has been understood and misunderstood. Let me just outline it as it is understood from a policy angle.

We intend to inspire the church to go into business. The reason is that the church has become a market place. There is no place or business gathering in the market place that puts people together faster and quicker. I can give you an example Mr. Speaker. About two weeks ago, there was a show by an RnB musical artist called D'banj. This show was advertised for almost two months by the entertainment industry. Alongside the venue, at Glamis Stadium, was another conference by clergymen; Prophet Makandiwa, Prophet Uebert Angel and Bishop Boateng of Ghana. It was called the Men's World Conference.

D'banj attracted only 2 500 observers. The Men's World Conference drew about 60 000 men that were being ministered to on their spiritual needs. This tells us that if this platform had been moved across to…

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Hon. Minister, your microphone is not on.

MR. MZEMBI: Mr. Speaker Sir, I will try and shout. What I am basically trying to say is, if you are following my arguments; it is that the church has become a market place. I intend to incentivise the church by invoking Statutory Instruments 124 and 119 so that the church is able, just like commercial business to ride on the back of duty free dispensations to grow its associated business.

In other words, what I am saying is that if a church is capable of gathering 120 000 people like what Prophet Makandiwa did during the Judgement Night over a four day period, it means that it should be able to look at backward integration and say, how can 120 000 people arrive at a national stadium and invest its interest in transportation business. If each and every one of the 120 000 people; for example, have one bottle of mineral water, it means there will be US$120 000 in circulation at that particular venue. We do not take one bottle of water. We take three or four. That translates into good cash flow within that locality once you incentivize that set business.

What it means is that if a church can gather 120 000 people and during the campaign period, I recall that my party, ZANU PF, was a guest to a number of churches that would gather up to about 500 000 people in one location -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- For us that constitutes business and constitutes church conference business. There is nothing that stops churches from receipting. We would also want to extend duty free and inspire business… -[HON. MEMBERS: What is the catch?]- there is no catch. If a church decides to build a hotel because it has assembled 120 000 people and it is housing people in a hotel, then it shall attract the usual levies that are consistent with the industry. That is what we are speaking about. There is natural market place in the church that we now seek to motivate so that we grow the business.

The few of you who might have been guests to Bishop T.B.Joshua of Nigeria would attest to the fact that that shrine has now become busier in terms of receipting arrivals. It is busier than the number of visitors that arrive at Buckingham palace on any particular day. Leading up to the shrine are a number of economic chain activities that are actually generating employment and income to the fiscus.

I am going to be driving an agenda to draft the church into church inspired business. What is wrong with that? If we can introduce ethics in the market place on the back of Christian values, I would rather we build more churches than night clubs and pubs. That is really the vision.

The fourth area that we intend to look at in stimulating domestic tourism, is the area of enshrinement of our liberation history. If you visit Germany today, a visit that does not take you to the grave yards of service men and soldiers who participated in various struggles and wars in that country is not complete. So is the case with China, USA and other places. But your country is replete with examples of the heroism and heroic struggles of our people which has not been captured. Regrettably, we only capture it on the day that a cadre dies and is buried. It pains me that we can capture the illustrious history of our fallen heroes in just three pages when we can inspire a nation that is 94% literate to capture the history of the struggle and make sure that our liberation shrines located all over the country become a place of enshrinement of the struggle. In the same vein it becomes part of the value chain because people will be visiting and paying money.

Together with that, we intend to reintroduce a concept that was initiated just after independence. It included the concept of 'votels'. If you recall, there were those we referred to as 'votels', village hotels. A night at Sheraton Hotel for our visitors is not the experience they are coming for. They are coming here for our biodiversity; to visit our natural endowment like the Victoria Falls and man-made attractions like the Great Zimbabwe. They would also want to have a live-in experience by being hosted by our locals here.

I therefore intend to introduce home hospitality that will include 'votels' but in addition, capture even the urban market so that we have registered homesteads in the townships and our suburbia that are graded and are part of the accommodation chain. If you think this is insignificant, many of you who attended the UNWTO General Assembly would attest to the fact that accommodation ran out. We had set aside three thousand rooms between us and Zambians but the demand outstripped supply. We ended up having people being hosted in townships like Chinotimba and others where the hosts were charging anything up to $800 per day to host delegates. So for us, it is a source of income for the locals and we intend to motivate that going forward.

Mr. Speaker Sir, domestic tourism is going to be the future of our product. We have learnt from our past mistakes, where we would put all our eggs in one basket by motivating and just looking at international arrivals. When travel sanctions were imposed on this country on the back of the disjuncture, between this country and other sources of international arrivals, we ended up being caught flat-footed. We have come now with a thrust where we say charity begins at home but it must be a function of a class that can afford the holiday experience.

Another extension of the domestic market which is currently in orbit Mr. Speaker Sir includes the diaspora. Depending on whom you are talking to, there could be as many as three million Zimbabweans living outside the country. These three million people now constitute our middle class that is in orbit. They are not located here but they like to come and do a holiday back home. We must put incentives in place and I cannot wait Mr. Speaker Sir, for the day when we can bring in Air Zimbabwe, so that it goes and sucks back our citizens from London for the holiday that they have always wanted to enjoy.

Fifty-one percent of our arrivals globally arrive by air and Zimbabwe is no exception. The economic action actually starts on board. It starts when you buy the air ticket. So, to the extent that we licence as many aircrafts and as many international carriers as we are doing today; as long as our own national carrier is not afloat to be part of this chain, it means we are missing this revenue that is almost 40 percent of tourism arrivals expenditure.

We intend to motivate the diaspora through come back home campaigns and no wonder when the minister visits international source markets, there is always the traditional address to the diaspora to incentivise them to come back home, visit and invest. I dream Mr. Speaker Sir, starting with the Victoria Falls, of a diaspora village where we can mop that investment. For many of us here, we may not know, the diaspora annual transfers are now going up to about US$1.6 billion, but this is money -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, may the hon. minister wind up.

MR. MZEMBI: I will gladly comply. This is money that is coming for subsistence support for the extended family. We want to tap the additional income by motivating investment. So, the domestic tourism plan will be furnished in writing to Parliament in addition to what I have already shared with you.

As to the cost of the product, which I cannot live this podium without addressing, why tourism resort areas are charging exorbitant fees for local entries, for example, the Victoria Falls? This is exactly the reason why Government, in trying to address mischief number one in our economy today is national pricing. The United States dollar has been misunderstood post 2008, in terms of its purchasing power parity. What it buys locally is just ten percent of what it will buy in South Africa and elsewhere. This mischief is not just localised to tourism. It is a systemic evil in our society which must be addressed from all angles, starting with the person who produces tomatoes and onions, if we are going to open windows for our farmers to supply animal based and agricultural products into the hospitality industry. We are not saying, buying Zimbabwe is buying expensive. So, we must go back to the drawing board.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I am happy to inform you that I am part of a committee that will be meeting tomorrow afternoon to interrogate national pricing before I can come back with an answer that will respond to this specific question. I cannot answer it unilaterally. It is a systemic issue that must be addressed at system level by all segments of Government, including the man on the street to comprehend and fully understand the value of the United States dollar before we can start charging service to each other.

It is in this country where you buy a hamburger at the most expensive price, sometimes at the value of US$15 but a hamburger is just US$1 elsewhere. We seek to cure this mischief but it must be cured at a consolidated level of an Inter-Ministerial Committee which is what we will be doing tomorrow afternoon. I thank you.

MS. ZINDI: I have a supplementary question to the Minister of Tourism and Hospitality Industry. I want to believe that one of the strategies as per the question, is to maintain infrastructure and one case in point is the deterioration and non-maintenance of infrastructure. A case in point, is the viewing point in Kariba at Sunset; it has been left just to deteriorate. What is the ministry doing in regards to policy and maintenance of tourism infrastructure?

MR. MZEMBI: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. Before the advent of the land reform programme, virtually every farm in this country was a licenced tourism asset and I intend to bring back those days when a farm owner has the fallback business position of a licenced tourism asset. Many of the assets that the hon. member is asking about were victims of unintended consequences of the land reform programme. You will find that many of the guest rooms, tea rooms and other places that were licenced tourism operations, some of them are now chicken runs. We intend to re-licence our farms as tourism products and anybody who is a beneficiary of the land reform programme can approach our offices for that re-licencing and we will equip them. Going with that will be the promulgation of a tourism revolving fund that seeks to capacitate these farmers because they cannot do it out of farming income. We have to assist them in this regard.

So the asset that the hon. member speaks to, in addition to not just being on a farm, is actually a National Parks property and the hon. member is familiar …

MS. ZINDI: On a point of order Mr. Speaker Sir. My point of order is on the issue of viewing platform right on the Lake Kariba. I am not concerned about these other infrastructure, the land reform and what have you. I have given a specific example and that is what I would like the minister to concentrate on. I thank you.

MR. MZEMBI: I had taken advantage of the hon. member's question to educate, not just her but the entirety of this House on some of policy initiatives. Answering specifically her question, it is not just that viewing point that is in that state. There are many other viewing points including the one at Troutbeck Inn in the park. This is exactly the reason why I said, we intend to motivate a US$200 million Tourism Revolving Fund. We have US$10 million in the kit right now and it is meant to re-kit and resuscitate some of these assets. I thank you.

Questions Without Notice were interrupted by MR. SPEAKER in terms of Standing Order Number 34.



MR. GONESE: I am simply seeking that Order of the Day Number 1 be stood over until the rest of the Orders of the Day have been disposed of.


Motion put and agreed to.



MS. TOFFA: I ask that Order Number 2 be stood over until all the other Orders of the Day have been dealt with.


Motion put and agreed to.



MR. GONESE: Again, I move that Order of the Day Number 3 and 4 be stood over until the rest of the Orders have been disposed of.


Motion put and agreed to.



Fifth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on intermittent power cuts by ZESA.

Question again proposed.

MR. GONESE: I am going to move that Order No. 5 be stood over but before doing so, I believe that most of the back-benchers have already debated the motion. I believe that before the motion is wound up, perhaps the Minister responsible could be advised to come and respond to the issues raised in that motion so that the mover of the motion can then wind it up. It appears to me that most of the members who wanted to debate have already done so. However, at this point in time, I am going to move that the debate do now adjourn

MR. CHIKWINYA: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Thursday, 21 November, 2013.

MR. SPEAKER: There are too many stand-overs. May I ask the chief whips please, to make sure that those who are supposed to be debating do so, so that we dispose of the business?



Sixth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on breast and cervical cancer.

Question again proposed.

MR. GONESE: Again, Mr. Speaker, I am going to raise the same issue that before the mover of the motion winds up, we will be expecting the relevant ministers to respond to the issues raised, otherwise some of the movers are ready to wind their motions but as a matter of practice, we normally expect the ministers to respond to the concerns raised by the hon. members. So, I will just want to alert the ministers here present so that the relevant ministers can be apprised of that position. However, at this point in time, I am going to move for the adjournment of the debate.

MR. MADZIMURE: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Thursday, 21st November, 2013.



Seventh Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on sanctions imposed on Zimbabwe by the US Government and European Union.

Question again proposed.

MR. NDUNA: I rise to debate on the motion moved by …

MR. SPEAKER: Sorry to interrupt you. I have a message that vehicle number ABI 8774, is blocking other cars in the parking area. Can the owner kindly remove that vehicle immediately?

MR. NDUNA: I hope I was not caught unaware because I did not think all those motions were going to be stood over up to number seven. However, I am going to try and articulate myself well without my notes.

I want to touch on sanctions, how they have affected my constituency, Chegutu West. First of all, we sit here today in this august House mindful that some of the most educated people here have gone through the education system of Zimbabwe which was without sanctions. Of particular note, we have got some lawyers here, Hon. Gonese, my brother Chikwinya and a few individuals who benefited from a sanction free Zimbabwe's education system.

I am going to touch on how the sanctions have affected the education system of Zimbabwe. It has made sure that a good number of our children and youths here in Zimbabwe, do not benefit fully from the God given resources of the global world. I say this because there is supposed to be education interaction. We are supposed to be benefitting from new technology in our education system in Zimbabwe. This has now come to naught because of the sanctions that currently bedevil our nation. So, we are no longer going to have the likes of our Chikwinyas, we are no longer going to replicate the likes of our Goneses and the big minds in the opposition parties….

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. What is the hon. member trying to say by replicating?

MR. NDUNA: I will explain Mr. Speaker Sir. We are no longer going to have a replica of the minds of the people that have gone through the unimpeded educational system of Zimbabwe. The good educational system that prevailed before the sanctions were imposed on Zimbabwe….

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order, understood.

MR. NDUNA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. So much has our education system been eroded because of sanctions that we can no longer have textbook ratio for our kids, distributed in the same manner that we had before the sanctions were imposed on us.

Now I want to give a remedy to this scourge of sanctions in this area. I would like Mr. Speaker Sir, to suggest that the minds that have been produced by this nation plough back into the education system of this nation by going against the sanctions that have been imposed on us by the West. Let us use the locally available minds and those that have been exported to other nations to plough back into the system of our educational system. I say this Mr. Speaker Sir, because Zimbabwe is still regarded as the most educated country in Africa, if not the whole world.

I also want to touch on a few names that have been produced in the Chegutu West Constituency that can now be driven to plough back into the education system of this country. We have one Dr. Mutsvangwa who is at Chitungwiza General Hospital. He is a beneficiary of the good educational system in Zimbabwe before the sanctions were imposed on this nation.

We have more than 100 graduates of the Presidential Scholarship Scheme who are currently doing any other jobs in Chegutu West Constituency. They can be grouped together to form this formidable force in order to plough back into the system that is currently being bedeviled by sanctions. After touching on those names, I will go now into how industry in Chegutu West has been affected by these sanctions.

We used to have David Whitehead Textiles in Chegutu that used to employ more than 1 500 employees. If this can be translated into households, a minimum of four, will take it that this has affected more than 6 000 people in Chegutu West Constituency. At the height of the sanctions regime in the nation, David Whitehead succumbed and collapsed. To date we have none that are employed by David Whitehead.

We had ZMDC which took over ElvingtonMine which used to employ over 800 people in my constituency. This mine has gone down. I put it to industry so that you can see how industry has been affected in my constituency by sanctions. To date this mine is not employing except 80 people that are basically securing the equipment of this mine. Why did this mine and factory close? It is because we had equipment some of which was from Scotland and some of the equipment was from England. Now we could not import spares from these countries because sanctions originated from these countries.

I want to talk of Can-pack which was Scotland funded and equipped entity which was an attachment to a factory or to an industry which was called Bonwell Zimbabwe (Bonzim)which was also an Australian based company which had equipment from Australia. These companies which were sister companies folded Mr. Speaker Sir, not because we could not get raw materials. We get raw materials in the nation, horticultural products that can fit into these factories. These companies folded because of spares.

During the height of these companies' operations, they contributed immensely to the GDP of this nation. So, as we go there today, it is an immensely sorry sight.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to give an example of how we can go against these sanctions in this industry. I will put a motion in the future in this House that Chegutu becomes an industrial zone. I say so because we still have David Whitehead as a shell and David Whitehead not only found in Chegutu, it is also found in Kadoma and Gweru. The raw material that we use is cotton. We could use Kadoma as a cotton processing zone. We could use Chegutu, besides being a garment making place, it could be used as a textile zone, we could push our textiles per se to Bulawayo factories that can, for onward processing make these into garments using locally sourced resources like cotton. This is to break the sanctions in that regard Mr. Speaker Sir.

On the mines, I know for a fact there is one shaft that collapsed at ZMDC Elvington Mine. We have got ore that can produce US$132 700 000 if that shaft or mine is resuscitated using a US$1m or US$800 000. Further to that, I am going to move a motion that makes sure that we establish not only a metallurgy centre in Chegutu but also a gold refinery. I say so because over and above ZMDC Elvington Mine, Chegutu is endowed with minerals. There are 278 gold mines bordering Chegutu and I am quite sure that we can use these to beneficiate our minerals in order to break the back of sanctions in the mining industry.

I am going to talk about sports and how sanctions have affected sports in Chegutu West Constituency and nationwide in general. Before we had sanctions, we had swimming pools in Chegutu which the local authority could maintain for the betterment of our black children. I am quite sure these swimming pools were also resident in a lot of communities especially for the benefit of the formally marginalised black children. I am saying this because the whites in our community do not take this one seriously. They go to affluent schools where there are swimming pools and sporting equipment that they fund using the resources that were worked for by the majority of this country who are blacks.

There are no swimming pools to be maintained in our communities, in particular in Chegutu West which has been turned into an agricultural show entity by the lack of foresight of the local authority, in particular the middle managers in Chegutu Town Council aggravated by the sanctions, we as the black community can no longer access this facility. We can no longer be able to readily serve our lives in an ocean, swimming pool or in a tub to say the least.

Before the coming in of the sanctions we had a lot of good sporting disciplines and facilities in Chegutu West. We had tennis courts - the likes of Kevin Ullyett hail from Chegutu but when these sanctions came to the fore, we could not maintain this infrastructure, thereby crippling our sporting entities. The local council then took advantage of such a happening and started making sure they digress from some of their core business of maintaining this infrastructure and divert their attention to more pressing issues that they thought were pressing. As a result, we are not having the creation anymore of sporting disciplines at grassroots level. We can never have a thriving sporting discipline in the country at the level of senior level. How do we then attack sanctions in this field?

Before the sanctions came in 2000, we had football teams that were in Division One. The businesses that used to sponsor these football teams folded. We had Lulu Rovers which was being sponsored by David Whitehead Textiles, the David Whitehead team, and Chegutu Pirates which I am sponsoring now. These used to be there then and were in Division One. What could have happened by now is that we could be enjoying in Chegutu and Mashonaland West as a whole, premier league football and we know how much that is followed. That is a stress relief.

I want to hasten to say, if we put our heads together in the manner that I and a few other corporates have done by ploughing back to the community - one by tutelage, like Kirsty Coventry going to the grassroots to try and encourage the black community to take up swimming by developing infrastructure once again, using locally grown resources, we can break the back of sanctions in Chegutu West. I have since stopped the council from conducting agricultural business at the swimming pool and we will be asking the corporates to make sure they resuscitate that swimming pool so that the likes of Hon. Chikwinya, Gonese, Chinyama and other hon. members can bring their siblings and children to such infrastructure and they can be taught how to swim at a very tender age.

I am going to touch on agriculture and how it has been affected by sanctions in Chegutu West Constituency. We used to have Mupfure River pushing in the much needed resource of water into our irrigation system in Chegutu. We used to have Pool dam complementing that. We used to have a green belt going for 30 kilometers, from Chegutu town to Pool dam.When the pump stations collapsed for these water bodies Mr. Speaker Sir, we had to import equipment and spares from the western countries, but this was not going to be so, because we were barred from doing that.

So as I speak today, the pump station at Pool dam that used to run water for the irrigation system in this entity does not work. This has affected a number of farmers in my constituency. This is how agriculture has been affected and you know how it has affected this nation in general.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Hon. member, you have five minutes to wind up your speech.

MR. NDUNA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I urge the hon. members in particular, those that are vocal from the opposition party, to listen for the next five minutes. I am going to take it quickly and so you need to listen attentively. I want to talk about how we intend to break the back of sanctions in the agricultural system in Chegutu West. The establishment of INNSCOR as a business entity in Chegutu, consumes about 30 tonnes of chickens per week and 20 tonnes of potatoes per week. I want them to plough back into the community in which they are resident.

We are going to make sure that INNSCOR buys fresh produce from Chegutu. We are going to make sure that Stewarts, who supplies broiler birds at cheap prices, supplies Chegutu and particular farmers. We are going to make sure that agricultural feed houses supply these farmers. For example, companies like Cooper's, supplies medicinal inputs to these farmers. What we are going to do is to make sure that the farmer only has the chicken runs, as their equipment. They will get the rest from corporate bodies then we supply to INNSCOR who would then give back to the farmers and the community to make sure that money is circulating in Chegutu West.

I will also urge this House in the agricultural system to make sure that when I bring the motion for a farmer to be supported unreservedly by a loan or otherwise, and to pay back after six seasons, the majority of members in this House should support that motion. I will now want to bring how we will bust the sanctions in this House Mr. Speaker Sir. We want you to bring to the fore that, going forward, Hansard has to be published in Shona and Ndebele. In the future, the Hansard should be published in all the minority languages. We have seen and heard presentations here in this House in both vernacular languages and English. So in the same manner that they have presented, we want them to be able to read.

I want to take this opportunity to thank you Mr. Speaker Sir, for affording me this opportunity to present a few facts on this noble motion presented by Hon. Hlongwane. Thank you.

*MR. CHINOTIMBA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I would also want to thank the mover of this motion on sanctions. Every time, when we talk about sanctions, it is everyone's worry as to how the sanctions were brought into this country. Mr. Speaker Sir, I have evidence to show to the hon. members as to how the sanctions were brought about. I wanted to show these slides like what Hon. Khupe did last time when she showed us the video on cancer patients. I investigated and found out who called for sanctions but I was told that it was not necessary. In my view, I thought that would help all hon. members to know who called for the sanctions.

Be that as it may, that clip showed the criminality of such a person-[HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear] - I wanted to show the SADC meeting which was held in either Malawi or South Africa. This video shows one of our sons saying this country should not have fuel, electricity and everything. So you see the criminality and how treasonous such a person is. Right now, we do not have drugs and our children are dying. Even the hon. members are not able to get fuel coupons because of one person.

Mr. Speaker Sir, if they had played it for me today, the whole country would know who it is? Is it President Mugabe, Hon. Chinotimba, Mr. Tsvangirai or Ms. Khupe who called for the imposition of sanctions because we can differ here. For example Mr. Speaker Sir, if I am the head of a family, whether we teach our children to say no to sanctions or we do not want them, if the father repeats the same statement that he said the day before yesterday about sanctions, some people will experience nightmares.

So, we are dealing with a criminal in our country. Even if the hon. members agree for it to be played in here, I would be well pleased because I have it. We once said that whatever we discuss in here ends here, and this is my video that I brought. Mr. Speaker Sir, what I am saying here is, I want to bring out the craziness of someone who just wakes up and says the king's child must die. It is not only about what has been discussed on sanctions but the country was drawn in to be a homosexual country. If you hear what was said in Britain by the same person on BBC, he went there and said, if I become the President of my country, I would not mind people engaging in homosexuality. These kinds of people are not wanted in our country because they cause loss of life to innocent people.

I can say, the mover of this motion did a good job. To seek for sanctions for your own country is not different from Dhlakama, the leader of rebels in Mozambique. If you ask them what they are fighting for, they do not have an answer, and it is criminality. Mr. Speaker Sir, in my constituency, where I come from, with the same person who called for sanctions, we do not have roads because there are no graders. This is the foolishness of one of our sons, a Zimbabwean.

Our people in the diaspora, those who were supporting the opposition parties financially, as these days I am communicating with those people who were financing the opposition. I once asked Hon Chamisa if he knows that our children in the diaspora are no longer able to come back home because of sanctions. Last time we heard Hon. Chikwinya presenting the issue of sanctions saying that they have a relative who passed on in Britain and they failed to bring the body back home for burial. This is because of sanctions. The same nephew of the deceased, when we tell him that there are sanctions, he denies.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I am saying the nation is at stake even if I move another motion. It is my wish that we unite here in this august House and have one goal, that if someone just wakes up and says sanctions must be imposed, he must be sentenced to life imprisonment. It is not only me who is affected by the sanctions as they say that they are targeted sanctions. You heard that I am now theAmbassador of G-Tel -[Laughter]-

These people have the problem of going to other countries, the diaspora and are unable to come back, what they have managed to realise is that Hon. Chinotimba is one of the MPs who is participating for their welfare .-[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- These people in the diaspora had financed the opposition parties with the hope that they would bring progress and stability in Zimbabwe. Now, they are regretting. We have people like Chihuri and Spencer in Britain who were funding these opposition parties but they turned back and joined Hon. Chinotimba.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I am talking about the pain of sanctions. People have been hoodwinked into believing that ZANU PF had made life so difficult for them that they should go and seek refuge in the diaspora. It is because of the same person in the video that I had brought to be broadcast to the nation. You find that the same person, under that leader, comes here to create havoc, telling ministers that they must resign from their posts without the knowledge that their boss is the one who is causing the shortage of fuel.

In winding up Mr. Speaker Sir, in my point of view, if I was one of the opposition members, I will create another party inside the party because I cannot be led by someone who believes that people should die first. Mr. Speaker Sir, that is why MDC was hammered and rejected by the people of Zimbabwe during the harmonised elections. It is because people were asking who these creatures and enemies are? That is why people rejected them.

Mr. Speaker Sir, sanctions, sanctions, sanctions. They are not affecting me only. We should be united as honourable members, both MDC and ZANU PF. We should agree with each other on sticking issues and seek for solutions in unison. People deny their own actions when they know that they are responsible for these sanctions. With these words Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank you. I would also want to congratulate Hon. Biti who realised that he was dining with lunatics and decided to concentrate on his law firm- [HON. MEMBERS: Hear, Hear.]- I want to thank Hon. Biti who developed foresight…

MR. MAONDERA: On a point of order, I think it is unparliamentary for the hon. member to call other hon. members mapenzi.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, Hon. Chinotimba, bvisai izwi rokuti mapenzi.

*MR. CHINOTIMBA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I was not referring to honourable- [HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- I withdraw the statement but I was referring to a person who called for the sanctions-[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- I withdraw my statement Mr. Speaker Sir. I would like to congratulate Hon. Biti on concentrating on his law firm rather than concentrating on the MDC politics, a party which has lost direction. I wish there could be more members from his party who will see the light and consider joining Hon. Biti's law firm. The MDC would grow into a party of substance instead of being a party which has lost direction and called for sanctions. With these words, I thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.

MR. MGUNI: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. I would like to thank the mover of this motion because it is a touching issue within the Zimbabwean community. It is not a thing that people could be arguing about or throwing words at each other. It requires people to sit down and map the way forward on how we can help Zimbabweans to come out of these doldrums.

I still remember Hon. Khupe's words when she said that "we have to copy what is good from other countries." I remember what the Kenyans did when they were in trouble with their crippled country. They went to the International Criminal Court (ICC) and demanded compensation for their forefathers who were bonded by the colonialists. Here in Zimbabwe we have got Lobengula, Chaminuka and Mbuya Nehanda who were treated badly by the colonialists.

From a military point of view, we have a trend that if people are using jet-fighter helicopters we must use anti-air machines. There is no need for kneeling down boldly until the sun sets, trying to mend up everything. We have to approach the ICC as what the Kenyans did and won the case, so that our forefathers will be compensated, Lobengula, Chaminuka and Mbuya Nehanda. It is up to us to determine how much we need and to what extent the damage was done on us as a nation-[HON. MEMBERS: Hear, Hear.]- and challenge them at the ICC. If we can win like what the Kenyans did, that money can replace the losses that we have incurred under sanctions, which is about $4 billion. I thank you Mr. Speaker.

MR. GUMBO: I move that the debate do now adjourn.


Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Thursday, 21st November, 2013.



MR. GONESE: I move that Orders of the Day Nos. 8, 9 and 10 be stood over until Order No. 11 has been disposed of.

Motion put and agreed to.



Eleventh Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the establishment of a Women's Bank which does not require collateral.

Question again proposed.

MS. CHIRISA: Thank you Mr. Speaker. Having listened to the motion and the debate that followed, I was really humbled and went through the internet to find out more about the GrameenBank. The GrameenBank managed to eradicate poverty in Bangladesh. This was started by a certain professor after he had carried out an action research to investigate the possibility of designing a credit delivery system meant for providing banking services for the rural people.

Mr. Speaker Sir, based on the results of that research, in October, 1983, the Grameen Bank, was authorised by the national legislation as an independent bank supported by the central government. In 1998, the Grameen Bank had a low cost housing programme that it had started won a World Hypertate Award because of the housing scheme that was availed to the poor people of Bangladesh.

In 2006, the same bank and its founder member were jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Unfortunately, in 2011, the Bangladesh Government forced the founder member to resign from the Grameen Bank saying that at the age of 72, he was beyond the legal limit for that position. His objectives are still being pursued by those who remained behind. Mr. Speaker Sir, the first project's success led to the extent of this people's bank to other districts in that country.

Looking at our situation Sir, we have our informal sector. We have our Small and Medium Enterprises (SMEs) here and we think this can be done in Zimbabwe because we have the people whom we think cannot own property but have the skills and the potential. Mr. Speaker Sir, the same bank I am talking about is owned by the poorest of the poor and the borrowers own 90% of the shares while the 10% remaining is owned by Government, so it is a people's bank, by the number of shares owned by these people.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I would like to suggest that as a country and I am saying to Parliamentarians here, Zimbabwe can form a group based credit approach that can be applied to use peer-pressure, monitoring each other. Without the Government and Parliamentarians following up, but the members of that bank or that group following up on each other so that they pay back the money they have borrowed; they can be accountable, transparent and they can conduct their financial affairs with discipline, ensuring repayment and allowing the borrowers to develop a good credit standing. The informal traders can do that because they now have the skill and know-how of how to serve their monies.

My second recommendation Mr. Speaker Sir is that the Zimbabwe women's bank could just be like the Grameen Bank model, whereby it would accept deposits as well as provide other services. They can then run several development oriented businesses. This can not only be a women's bank. Maybe in the first instance but as we grow the bank, it can also accept males as its clients.

The Zimbabwean Government should seriously consider establishing this women's bank in Zimbabwe and I urge this 8th Parliament to put in place a framework on proposed operational guidelines and organisational structures to be submitted to the Minister of Finance where it can be debated in Cabinet so that this can be put in place and established without delay.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I also think that Parliament should consider sending a delegation to Bangladesh on a look and learn tour, to see the selected Grameen Bank because they are so many of them in Bangladesh now. They can visit selected banks so that we can copy the best practices. Amongst the delegation, we should have somebody from the banking sector and a researcher. I thank you Mr. Speaker.

+MS. L. SIBANDA: Thank you Mr. Speaker Sir. First, I want to thank the hon. member who moved this motion about the formation of a women's bank. Secondly, I would like to thank all the women folk of Zimbabwe for their unity of purpose in driving towards the development of their country. The women of Zimbabwe started working towards the development of their country when Zimbabwe was in problems. The women of Zimbabwe started by forming burial societies and money clubs so that they could help on the welfare of their families. The monies they collected were also the start of a credit bank of women because monies would be lent out to cross border traders. Unfortunately, in some instances, the treasurers of such institutions fell into temptations of dipping into the coffers, committing fraud. Mr. Speaker Sir, women are people of resources and are always looking for ways of making money for the benefit of their families. Where there is a woman there is money.

In the years 2007 to 2008, when the country was in financial crisis; shortage of food, fuel and other essentials, the women of Zimbabwe were able to go out of the country to greener pastures and source for these resources so that they could help their families which were facing starvation.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order, I think we have a technical fault. Is it possible for the hon. member to debate in English, hon. member?


MR. SPEAKER: Can we defer your contribution?

+MS. L. SIBANDA: It is okay.

MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, while we check on the technical problem.

MR. GONESE: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

MR. CHIBAYA: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Thursday, 21st November, 2013.



Twelfth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the realignment of the existing laws to the Constitution.

MR. CHIBAYA: Thank you Hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to add my voice to the debate. I was one of the COPAC team members who was leading the Constitution making process. I would like to say that during the outreach process, the people of Zimbabwe were very happy to be given the opportunity to actually say out their views, on what was to be contained in the Constitution of Zimbabwe. I would like to say to my colleagues in this hon. House that it is very important for us to make sure that the existing laws are aligned with the new Constitution.

Before I get onto the details, I want to commend the people of Zimbabwe because they have spoken well about what they want and how they want to be governed. I will refer to the issue of the Provincial Council. As we are speaking right now, we have got Provincial Council members who are not yet sworn in and I think for anyone to make noise shows misunderstanding of our own Constitution that we all voted for overwhelmingly.

I would like to educate my colleagues in this august House -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- that the composition of the Provincial Council consists of us as hon. members. In the Constitution of Zimbabwe, we now have three tiers of Government; the Local Authority, the Provincial Council and the Central Government. This is just for your own information. The responsibility of the Provincial Council is solely to do with issues of development -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- If we talk of development, I do not think my colleagues should make noise.

We all come from different provinces and the Provincial Council members are from both MDC and ZANU PF and they are asking us questions as to when swearing in is going to take place. -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- This noise hon. Speaker, clearly shows that we have got people in this august House who have got selfish interests. They are not thinking of their colleagues out there…

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. When the Speaker has called for an order, you do not counter that by shouting; otherwise I will throw you out of this House. Can the hon. member be heard and I want to point out that what the hon. member is debating now is within the Constitution. He is not out of order. Can he be heard in his deliberations?

MR. CHIBAYA: Thank you hon. Speaker. I would like to say that the Constitution provides for clear separation of powers between the Executive, Judiciary and Legislature. As Parliament, we are supposed to appoint Commissioners. We have gender, anti-corruption commission and human rights commission.

MR. SPEAKER: Address the Chair please.

MR. CHIBAYA: If we do not have an Act of Parliament, there is no way these commissions can start to do their work. It is not shocking to note that one of the hon. members of this august House especially from my opposite side will stand up debating in this House, debating that they cannot marry or be married because of sanctions, hon. Members on your right are alluding everything to sanctions even where it is not necessary -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-

MR. SPEAKER: Point of order. Hon. member, I thought you were in the right track. Now you are digressing totally. Can you stick to the motion please? There is nothing to do with sanctions here.

MR. CHIBAYA: Hon. Speaker, I think it is very important for my colleagues to understand the importance of realignment of existing laws with the Constitution so that we can actually do our work as Parliament. If we do not do that -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- the people of Zimbabwe are going to judge us. History is also going to judge us. It is our responsibility to ensure that those people who contributed during the outreach process see this Constitution being implemented. To have a good Constitution alone without implementation is just as good as nothing.

If you look at the Urban Councils Act, you can see that there is a lot of contradiction with the new Constitution. If my colleagues do not understand that, it shows that... It is unfortunate that Hon Joram Gumbo, the ZANU PF Chief Whip is not in this august House. I was going to request that he organises a two day workshop for my … -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]- hon. members to understand their roles and responsibilities. That is why we are having difficulties with my colleagues.

I just want to conclude by saying that hon. members on the right side when they stand up to debate this motion, must understand that there is no need for us to politick because when we talk of realignment of existing laws with the new Constitution, it has nothing to do with MDC or ZANU PF. It is within our mandate. I thank you.

MR. MANDIPAKA: Thank you very much Mr. Speaker Sir. I will make an effort to be as brief as possible. Allow me to add my voice on the motion by Hon. Gonese, which was also debated by Hon. Majome. I would not want to take anything away from the motion…

MR. MANDIPAKA: Mr. Speaker Sir, allow me to add my voice to the motion by Hon. Gonese and supported by Hon. Majome. The motion in my view Mr. Speaker Sir was noble but I am at pains as to the rationale behind rushing the Executive into bringing Bills into this Parliament. I would want to take this opportunity to pronounce that the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe was the first person, may it be put on record, that he was the first person to underscore the fact that there was need for this House to work towards re-aligning the existing laws to the new Constitution.

So, Hon. Gonese in his motion was not trying to re-invent the wheel. In actual fact, I see him as an alarmist, who was trying to alarm the Executive to take action. Be that as it may, Mr. Speaker Sir, my worry is on an alarm that does to some extent, create despondency because what came out of this debate, from the mover of the motion and Hon. Majome was that we are in a Constitutional crisis. I beg to differ, Mr. Speaker Sir.

We are not at this stage in a Constitutional crisis and I have reasons to substantiate my observation. So, Hon. Gonese, in bringing up this motion, is not trying to re-invent the wheel but I believe he is just raising an alarm. Mr. Speaker Sir, in raising such an alarm, I am against the notion which insinuates that there is a constitutional crisis as alluded to in the debate by Hon. Majome and Gonese. All we need to guard against Mr. Speaker Sir, is raising alarm that causes despondency.

Whilst it is noble to remind the Executive of certain tasks needing attention we should not create an impression that the Executive has reneged and that there is lack of commitment and enthusiasm to expeditiously attend to the issue of re-aligning existing laws to the Constitution. It is far from it.

I recall Mr. Speaker Sir, Hon. Chinamasa and Hon. Chidhakwa in this august House, explaining and advising that various Government Ministries were making efforts to look at those pieces of legislation that do conflict with the current Constitution. I would want to believe that there is behind our doors, some work being done to ensure that these laws are aligned to the new Constitution.

Hon. Majome and Hon. Gonese had all the academic freedom in this House in debating this motion and I believe Mr. Speaker Sir, the two Honourables would agree with me that dealing with the law is a complex area that needs careful analysis, meticulous planning and meticulous verification, before the Executive brings to Parliament Bills that are premature or hastily done. It will only be honourable for us to at least spare the moment; I repeat Mr. Speaker Sir, it will only be honourable for us to spare a moment for the Executive to come up with accepted Bills.

We are all alive Mr. Speaker Sir, of the fact that the Constitution is our supreme law; we do not need any workshop of any nature to be alerted to the content of the Constitution. We are quite clear about the Constitution. We are also clear that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, but suffice to say there is need for time to look at all these pieces of legislation, group them together and bring them before Parliament. I totally believe we have an able Executive that recognises its Constitutional obligation. So, for anyone to suggest that they are being lackadaisical, I do not think that would be proper.

In conclusion Mr. Speaker Sir, allow me to say that the motion is noble, in so far as it reminds the Executive but sufficeto say that it is pre-mature to suggest that the country has a Constitutional crisis. It is work being done and it is work in progress. I thank you.

MR. MUDEREDZWA: Thank you very much Mr. Speaker Sir - [MR. MUTSEYAMI: The Senior Assistant Commissioner] -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Hon. member, can you withdraw your statement. We have no Senior Assistant Commissioners here.

MR. MUTSEYAMI: Mr. Speaker Sir, I humbly withdraw the word to the effect that he is Commissioner Assistant Muderedzwa. I withdraw, he is an honourable.

MR. SPEAKER: Thank you.

MR. MUDEREDZWA: Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to make a contribution towards a motion that has been advanced by Hon. Gonese and also supported by Hon. Majome. It is a common cause that the motion is noble. It is trying to put in place a system that will make this Parliament work, however, Mr. Speaker Sir, as I support this motion, citations that have been highlighted in the debate, some of them are not true at all.

The debate, as it goes, has been turning into a hullaballoo over nothing because the Executive is working on this Constitution in the direction of operationalising it. This Constitution Mr. Speaker Sir is thicker than the Constitution that we used to have. It is almost like a Standing Order but we respect it as the supreme law of the land. The President of the Republic of Zimbabwe, in his Inaugural Speech highlighted pertinent issues to do with this Constitution. If you look around, you do not see ministers around here but if you go to their offices, you will find that they are busy with the lawyers of the Government to try and craft the Bills.

The Bills need not come half-baked here because we will spend most of the time trying to craft the Bills here. The Bills should come here so that -

MR. CHIKWINYA: Point of order Mr. Speaker Sir.

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Chikwinya, what is your point of order?

MR. CHIKWINYA: Mr. Speaker Sir, I become uncomfortable if Members of Parliament begin to abrogate their responsibilities of playing oversight role to the Executive when debating a motion which is simply calling for them to identify areas which are inconsistent to the Constitution. We are now becoming defenders of the Executive and that is not our responsibility.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. What is your point of order?

MR. CHIKWINYA: Mr. Speaker Sir, my point of order is that the debate by the hon. member is not within our terms of reference as oversight of the Executive. He is playing defender of the Executive.

MR. SPEAKER: The Chair rules that there is no point of order because what the hon. member said and I think, I heard him correctly, is that the Executive is doing due diligence in crafting appropriate Bills. That is the understanding of not bringing 'naked Bills'. That is the native meaning of the language.

MR. MUDEREDZWA: I want also to support some of the presenters who are saying, in Zimbabwe right now, we do not have a constitutional crisis like what one of our hon. members was implying. We need to give the Executive time. Two months is not a long time for a constitutional crisis to obtain.

Mr. Speaker Sir, let members from the opposite side be aware of the fact that this Constitution was driven by SADC, African Union and many outsiders who were assisting us to come to a point of congruency so that we move forward as a nation. There are issues in this Constitution that we might not agree with and if this House moves fast with the operationalisation of this Constitution, we will end up raising motions to amend some parts of the Constitution. It is very possible and it is going to happen because in our African culture, we cannot allow a girl at the age of 16 to be married.

I come from a rural constituency where there are girls at the age of 16, they are still kids. How can they be married? Mentally they are not mature. These are some of the issues that are highlighted in this Constitution.

MR. CHIKWINYA: On a Point of Order Mr. Speaker, I want to refer the member to Section 4.3(5), it is clear that a person at the age of 18 has the right to marry. There is nowhere in the Constitution where it says a person at the age of 16 has a right to marry. So, unless he points out the provision in the Constitution, he must withdraw that statement. I have referred to Section 4.3(5).

MR. SPEAKER: Are you sure that it is the correct section because I am trying to get to the section that you are quoting. …

MR. CHIKWINYA: Sorry Mr. Speaker, the age is 18.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, order! Just a minute please. The Chair is saying we want to check the correctness of the quotation. So, we want to do that because I do not think the section is correct as quoted. Are you now looking on marriage, Section 26, I do not see the age there.

MR. CHIKWINYA: Sorry Mr. Speaker, it is under page 38. I could have misquoted the section but it is under Section 78, sub-Section (1).

MR. SPEAKER: So, withdraw your Point of Order.

MR. CHIKWINYA: No, Mr. Speaker, the Point of Order remains the same but under Section 78.

MR. SPEAKER: Order. Your Point of Order referred to Section 4, sub-Section 3 and I am saying it is not correct. So, withdraw that reference and come up with a new one.

MR. CHIKWINYA: Mr. Speaker, I withdraw and intend to make a correction. Section 78(1) says, 'Every person who has attained the age of eighteen years has the right to found a family.', that is under marriage rights. I would then implore if the hon. member has a section where it says 16 years, then to also show us to counter this section.

MR. SPEAKER: The Point of Order as corrected stands. Will the hon. member continue please?

MR. MUDEREDZWA: Thank you very much Mr. Speaker Sir, I stand corrected. It could have been an oversight on my part but the truth of the matter still stands that this document was a compromising document amongst the political parties. There are issues which even the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe urged us to go for elections hoping that the party that wins would make adjustments to the Constitution. We are going to do that because we are many in number.

What we require from our colleagues from the opposition is reason to dominate over passion. We know when we are in political parties, there is political indoctrination. You have to believe in what your political party is saying but the issue of sanctions cannot be discussed as something that does not exist. It is part and parcel of the operationalisation of this document, if we ignore the fact and do not come as a united team in calling for the sanctions to go whenever we go outside this country, we are going to have problems because we need money to operationalise this Constitution…

MR. SPEAKER: Order, hon. member, I think you are derailing your debate now. Can you kindly stick to the motion?

MR. MUDEREDZWA: Mr. Speaker Sir, I was saying in order for us to operationalise this, we need money. This nation has been affected by sanctions; hence there is a direct implication on the negatives of sanctions and the operationalisation of the Constitution. I agree with the mover of the motion that we need to see Bills coming to Parliament. Parliament, Committees and ministries should work so that we deliver to the people. Mr. Speaker, I was highlighting issues that were being cited by the hon. members that are in the Constitution that might not cause us to agree on issues as we operationalise this document. Thank you.

MR. GONESE: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

MR. CHIBAYA: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Thursday, 21st November, 2013.

On the motion of THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF INDUSTRY AND COMMERCE, the House adjourned at Two Minutes to Six o'clock p.m.

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