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NATIONAL ASSEMBLY HANSARD - 22 SEPTEMBER 2011 VOL. 38 NO. 4

Thursday, 22nd September, 2011

The House of Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two O'clock p.m.

 

PRAYERS

(THE DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair)

MOTION

PRESIDENTIAL SPEECH: DEBATE ON ADDRESS

Fifth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion in reply to the Presidential Speech.

Question again proposed.

*MR. CHIMBETETE: I would like to add my voice to the Presidential Speech, that was brought to the House by the President on the 6th of September. I would like to talk about the empowerment of the youth, through SMEs, the issue of ghost workers which he talked about, agriculture and violence. These are the issues that I want to contribute on. Madam Speaker, looking at the empowerment of the youths SMEs, it is incumbent upon this government to put things in order because when we look at the children, we have so many school levers, and college leavers, who are not employed.

When we go to the growth points, we see that the government is not developing the growth points. So, as Parliament, we urge the government to empower the rural areas so that employment is created and companies opened in rural areas to cater for school leavers so that we become urbanised. Here in the urban areas, there are no jobs for the youths. The plight of the youth should be looked into. We should ask the Minister of Education, how many child complete school every year and what they are doing. So, our plea is that investors should open companies, and invest in the rural areas as well. At the moment, the youths are involved in violent activities, because they do not have any jobs. We should also look at the issue of ghost workers. We know the Ministry of Public Service did an audit and we know that they are through with their report, but we do not know why the ghost workers are still on the pay-roll so that the genuine civil servants would benefit.

This issue should be addressed by our government so that the civil servants would be remunerated well.

Coming to agriculture, we know that land was taken, but myself I did not get any land. Those who got land are not doing anything. Some are really productive. I travel from Mutare to Harare and you find that all the farms that were being farmed along the highway, there is no production there. Besides that, the land redistribution is a very good one, but the way it was done was not good. The people who were given these resettlements started a long way back. So, those people should have been upgraded.

We have so many agricultural colleges here in Zimbabwe which produce a lot of graduates that could have developed the land, but the people who benefited are those who did not have equipment -[HON. MEMBERS: Inaudible interjections]-

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order. Can you listen to the hon. member in silence please?

*MR. CHIMBETETE: I agree with the President when he says he wants to promote agriculture in Zimbabwe. I really want to centre on the issue of inputs where we really have a problem.

We know that the Minister of Finance is going to release some money concerning those issues. We know that A2 farmers are going to be given their allocation so that they will be able to get security from the banks, but what we are urging you is that even the youths should benefit from that programme. We do not want commercial farmers who benefit from this A2 programme because we witnessed it last year that those who wanted to buy only one bag could not buy because those commercial farmers bought all the fertilisers.

So, we want a clear-cut policy on who should distribute the inputs because we are facing challenges where we have DAs and GMB managers who are politically aligned and the workers, who are from one party. We have officials from AREX and Committees, but we are not aware of that. As M.P from Nyanga South, I was told that as a politician, I am not supposed to be involved in the distribution of inputs. So, we really urge the government to look into that policy so that MPs will be involved.

When it comes to food distribution which is given to the vulnerable, you will find that those who should benefit, do not benefit but those who benefit are those who do not deserve, who have their wealth already. We urge those who have farms to farm properly.

We should say no to violence because it would end up with people being violent even when they want to relieve themselves. On violence, I would like to take you back a little as far as when the land invasions started. I remember when the President arrived at the airport when the people were waiting to welcome him. People were waiting for the President to reverse the land invasions, but he instructed that there is no policeman who should remove those people from the land.

Why I am referring to this issue is that he is the person responsible to stop violence. I am saying at that time the people listened to what the President said, but when the President came into this House, he said no to violence. He was instructing people not to be engaged in violence, but as he was saying that, people were being beaten outside there. There was violence outside. We have heard about a group called Chipangano which is a violent group. If you had the opportunity of watching the headlines yesterday, you would understand that this Chipangano is involved in taking people's properties saying that we are Chipangano because Harare has been taken over by ZANU PF youths.

If we are engaged in violence in the urban areas, I would like to talk to the hon. members on the other side, that for investors to come into this country, they need peace especially in the capital city which is Harare. We will not get any investors if there is violence in the capital city. When are you going to learn to campaign peacefully. Let me tell you what my bible says that even if you are involved in any form of violence, this year you are not going to win. You are going to eat that violence because whether you like it or not, the government that is not engaging in violence is going to rule. You are encouraging the youths to be violent and I want to address these people and Members in this Parliament that they should stop violence because we want our country to move forward. Madam Speaker, we need the Government of National Unity so that we should come up with policies which are good for our country. I do not know and I do not understand this.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order, Hon. Chimbetete, you address the Chair. -[HON. MEMBER: Rova mudhara ZANU yava kuda kupinda]-

*MR. CHIMBETETE: I hear people talking about sanctions. They do not know how these sanctions were put in place if they are ever there. Why were they put in place if they are there? They cry that they should be removed, but the reason why they were put in place is not said. There are no sanctions and there is nothing like that.

Well, I ask this House that we should go out and speak against violence because we have so many veterans in this House but we know that there are some war veterans who are disciplined like the late Lieutenant General Mujuru who never incited violence. He was professional. He knew what he was doing until his death. Even on his burial, that really showed that he worked well with people. So, we say no to violence.

ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE DEPUTY SPEAKER

CHANGE OF VENUE FOR THE WOMEN PARLIAMENTARY CAUCUS MEETING

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Chairperson of the Women's Parliamentary Caucus Hon. Nyamupinga would like to advise members of the group of 20 on the Constitution and the elections that the Breakfast Meeting that was scheduled for tomorrow Friday 23rd September 2011 is now at Crown Plaza at 7:30 am and not at Rainbow Towers anymore.

MR. DZIRUTWE: Thank you Madam Speaker. I stand to be corrected; is this debate on the Presidential Speech?

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes.

MR. DZIRUTWE: Thank you, I stand to debate on what the President said. Yes it was so ceremonious, pomp and funfair when the President addressed the Parliament. There was something that struck me as odd in the sense that the President opened so many Sessions of Parliament and as usual, the message is just the same. The leader of the nation is supposed to be inspiring his people and to invigorate them, but when the President said what he said, it was the same old story: investment is on the uptake. On the ground, it is different as the companies are closing. He was talking about peace and the shortage of electricity. He could have extracted it from the previous speeches he made five or so years ago.

Zimbabwe is at the crossroads and in this House we are trying to understand what is different from the other speeches and I do not see any inspiration. Those who were inspired are welcome, but most of the people in this House and the Zimbabweans wanted it to be more radical.

On the issue of peace, there was violence outside Parliament Building but no one on this side totally agreed with the President and they never took it seriously when he repeated: no to violence. An hon. member from my side asked the President to repeat the statement; no to violence and the moment the statement was repeated, they said no, no, no, refusing him to repeat something that is pertinent to our country.

During the time he was repeating a number of my people from my constituency were massacred. Two of my people were admitted at the Avenues Clinic.

MR. MANDEBVU: Point of order Madam Speaker.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is your point of order Hon. Mandebvu?

MR. MANDEBVU: Madam Speaker massacre means kupondwa nekuuraiwa kwavanhu and outside there, there was no massacre outside Parliament Building. He is not being factual and we do not want to be told lies by a Member of Parliament.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. member, your point of order is not valid.

MR. DZIRUTWE: For the benefit of my colleague, people from my constituency were beaten up.

MR. MANDEBVU: That was not a massacre.

MR. DZIRUTWE: Whilst the Head of State was imploring this nation to go peacefully and do their business, none of us believe him for the reason that, whatever the President says, nobody goes to do what the President has said. more-so on the other side because there is this culture of impunity because those on the other side make sure that they get what they want. We have tried to talk to them and nothing has changed. On the issue of indigenisation, now they want to indigenise banks, but this House no matter how we input on the issues of this indigenisation, I think on the other side there are business people who actually acknowledge that investment will not come to this country as long as we adopt the measures that we do. The President talked about wanting to make this country the regional hub of transport. How is that going to happen when we force the Minister of Finance to have a budget of US$2.8b? All we need to do is to seat down and input whatever we think should be done.

I happen to be in the Committee of Transport, it has made recommendations on how to get Air Zimbabwe going, I am told they resumed flying about three days ago, but until the President addresses issues in this country nothing will materialise; there is a group of thugs in Mbare called Chipangano who are supposed to be some youth or whatever, who totally disregard what the Head of State said. We are going nowhere in terms of addressing issues of violence. I did not get inspired, it induced a state of de'javu in me 'oh here he goes again'. We need to impose so much on the Executives than to do what the executive tell us to do which is not leading us anywhere. We just say we impose to do this nothing happens and there is no way forward. May be it is a case of somebody having over stayed and nobody pay attention to him. We must try to do what the President says in this House so that we maintain legacy. State House in my opinion is a prison, one needs to go home and rest, one needs to go and play with the children. We as a nation, we are in prison with our leader because we are not paying attention to him. We are incapable because we have heard him so often. We need fresh ideas.

*MR. MANDEBVU: Firstly, I would like to thank the President and the Commander in Chief of the Zimbabwe Defence Forces for his address to this august House on the 6th of September 2011. The President touched on a number of issues but I am going to talk about agriculture. The President highlighted that it has maintained the position in terms of its contribution towards the Gross Domestic Product. We must take it serious because agriculture contributed 40% towards the Gross Domestic Product, but we fail to fund Grain Marketing Board as government to pay the farmers who delivered their grain, it seems that there is something wrong with our priorities as government.

What it means is that we are tempering with the basket because as it is now, the farmers need money for inputs as we are about to enter into the new season. We are feeding with what they delivered in the last season. When we come here we are well fed with farm produce but we want our economy to grow, we cry about investors not coming into this country but we are not doing anything to look after those who contributed to the growth of our economy. The land reform is at stake because it lacks support. The Minister of Finance does not want farmers to do their work properly because he is not giving them money. A farmer works very hard, he has children to look after, he has medical bills, but he is not given money by the government. It is not because the government does not have money but there are issues of our priorities which are not right.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order hon. members.

*MR. MANDEBVU: Thank you for protecting me ...

An hon. member having passed through the Chair and the member speaking .

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order hon. member. You can continue hon. member.

*MR. MANDEBVU: Thank you Madam Speaker, if we were serious as the government, we would look at the plight of the farmers.

An hon. member having passed between the Chair and the hon. member holding the floor.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order hon. member, you are not allowed to go in between the Chair and the member debating on the floor.

MR. MANDEBVU: If we are serious about growing our economy as a country, the government should look at the farmers be they A1 or A2. They should have 10 hectares under irrigation and this would do away with drought. If we get small pieces of land under irrigation it would really alleviate our plight because most of our crops need a lot of water and our regions need help because we do not have enough water.

The other issue is that our banks do not have good relations with the farmers. When farmers visit banks to get loans, it is very difficult, and if one is lucky to get the loan, the interest rates are so high that they end up being unable to repay the loan. So, we are urging government to look at the plight of farmers so that they can influence banks to reduce their lending rates to enable farmers to pay their debts.

On the issue of security, when you try to get a loan all the documents that you fill in or certificates of occupation should be enough security for someone to use to get money from the bank, and the government should act as the guarantor because farmers are here to stay and will pay as honest citizens of Zimbabwe. We do not know where else to get title deeds besides using the 99 year leases and certificates of occupation which were issued by government.

If banks, which government has shares in are not leading in giving farmers loans, then we do not know what happens in other foreign banks because locally owned banks should be at the fore front when it comes to giving loans. If we do that, we would be taking the right route because we are all in agreement that the 40% of GDP comes from agriculture. If we support our agriculture it will grow and we will stop crying for investors to come because all countries want investors, but they are not there at the moment. Therefore, it is up to us to start investing in our own country through agriculture for our economy to grow.

Coming to beef Madam Speaker, it is also a form of farming and we should not put our eggs in one basket. For those coming from Masvingo, Matabeleland South and Manicaland, they can go into cattle ranching. If they are given heifers like what used to happen with CSC, it will help us not to run out of beef and we can even export to the EU if they remove their sanctions.

We have heard some saying there are no sanctions, but they are included in the GPA and they should be removed. We just want to remind them that sanctions are there in full force and we want to remind everyone. Madam Speaker the issue of loans should also be extended to the cattle farmers because we all need meat.

Then coming to SMEs; these are in trouble with technology. If they remain where they are, the industry will not grow. If they continue with back yard dealings they will never be accountable. The government is not aware of what they are engaged in, what they do, how many people they employ no, no one has information on that. We just urge government to encourage these SMEs to grow their businesses and encourage them to enter into E-Commerce. They can use technology so that they can be accounted for and have data on their employees, which will enable them to grow into large industries. We can employ a lot of people in our country so that our economy can grow.

Madam Speaker, the government should help SMEs to look for partners especially from the East, China and Japan or those who can bring in smart partnerships and not those who want to colonise us, but true partnerships that will protect these SMEs. Those are the people we are looking for. The same applies to the banks, they should lend money to the SMEs at affordable interest rates. Many hon. members in here have their own small businesses, but they cannot get loans from the banks because the interests are too huge and we cannot service them. They are really bringing our country down and something must be done about the issue of banks to small scale miners who need to be supported in terms of funding. There is a problem of people holding on to vast claims but they are not mining. Other people want claims as well but they cannot get them. At the moment most people do not have the money to venture into big mining. You find that many gold panners will be working for those people with large claims. So we now have people who are now landlords in mining and they are getting money out of that. This issue must be looked into so that many people benefit from mining activities rather than having a few benefiting.

Coming to education especially in the resettlement areas, we do not know whether our government has forgotten that they need to put up schools in those resettlement areas. Children are learning under trees in the resettlement areas, but that is where our food is coming from. We are here in Parliament because of those people and their children need education. They also need schools and hospitals because they contribute 40% of the GDP. - [MS. D. SIBANDA : Kuzadza vana musango] - Someone is saying kuzadza vana musango but those children are there, they are going to work there. These people are feeding the nation and we must support these people so that our economy grows. Even those in shebeens and those in low densities, they also want food. So those in the resettlement areas are doing their part. Thank you Madam Speaker.

THE MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL AND PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday, 4th October 2011.

MOTION

SPORTS DEVELOPMENT AND ADVANCEMENT

MR. MADZIMURE: I move the motion standing in my name;

THAT WHEREAS sport unifies the people of the world and Zimbabweans in particular, sport plays an integral role in building a fit body that forms a bases for a strong mind.

AND WHEREAS sport has become a big business and therefore needs proper attention like any economic sector in the country and has to be developed and run professionally and ethically.

CONCERNED by the manner in which government through the Ministry of Education, Sports, Arts and Culture has failed to come up with a comprehensive sports policy that creates the conducive environment for sports development and advancement.

AWARE of the FIFA statutes that guarantees the independence of the soccer bodies affiliated to it as far as interference is concerned.

SHOCKED by the negative responses of the Sports and Recreation Commission, Zimbabwe Football Association and the police towards the reports of rife corruption involving the national soccer team.

NOW THEREFORE this House resolves,

a) That a Committee of this House be established to investigate and

make recommendations on the role of the Ministry of Education Sport, Arts and Culture in sport and make recommendations on the following;

b) Determine the role played by the Sports and Recreation Commission

and ZIFA in the commission of the Asiagate scandal.

c) All administrators implicated in the commission of corruption in

soccer be referred to the police and the Anti-Corruption Commission.

MR. CHITANDO: I second.

MR. MADZIMURE: Thank you Madam Speaker, in moving my motion, I am cognisant that we have got institutions that run sport in Zimbabwe and in the world. Some of the statutes in some of the sports bodies do not allow Governments to interfere with the running of sport. I want to make it clear that there is quite a good distinction between interference and interventions.

Madam Speaker, what I seek this House to do is to come up with a select committee which will determine and make recommendations as follows;

(a) The role and responsibility of the Ministry of Education, Sports, Arts and Culture in sport development and promotion. I also want the same committee to determine how much funding is available for the above purpose and how it is shared amongst various disciplines.

(b) To deal with the issue of the deliberate policy if it is there in plan to target the popular sport and to introduce the sports that have been the preserve of the elite to the previously advantaged.

I am cognisant of the fact that sport has become a serious business, you talk of cricket which is a basic sport. One uses a ball and hands, yes there is a lot of technique involved which can easily be imparted to our young people if they are trained. A lot of people have made a lot of money. I have seen a lot of our young people spending most of their energy throwing stones at each other, the same energy can be used to train them to do it in a professional manner, harming no one but making money for themselves.

We also want to determine the role played by the Sports Commission and ZIFA or their officials in the commission of the Asiagate corruption. We want the commission to look at the possibility of creating a law which will deal with the criminal aspect of the game which you find in the various statutes of the sports bodies. It is not well clarified what constitutes a crime and when a crime should be handed over to the authorities of the country. I also want the same committee to ask for an audit of the Warriors Trust. Sometime back when our national team was preparing to go the Africa Cup of Nations, a Trust Fund was formed to raise funds on behalf of ZIFA. The patron of that trust fund was the late Vice President, Msika. It was chaired by Mr. Savanhu, the disposed chairperson of Hwange. Other members were the Governor, Mr. Gono, Hon. Matonga, Hon. Jonathan Moyo, Hon. Mzembi and Hon. Kasukuwere.

Madam Speaker, as Zimbabwe, we have been using trusts to raise monies that have never been disbursed or accounted for. I remember this Trust very well, it was always on television raising money and quite a substantial amount of money was raised. I did not see a situation where there was an audit carried out and the money surrendered.

The money that was being raised by this Trust was in hard currency and there were assets which were tangible. I can recall very well that the Governor donated three vehicles to the Trust and there is actually an affidavit from the Governor which confirms that it happened. The Governor also contributed three generators and there is also an affidavit to that effect. There was not a single item which was donated to an independent individual. This must be very clear. It is important that a report as to how the Trust functioned, when it concluded its work and the handover of all its assets and the money that had been raised was handed over to ZIFA.

Having said that, I want to talk about the issue of sport in general before I dwell on this criminal aspect of the game. We have a sport in this world which has become a serious business and because of that it has to be funded. Our country, the Ministry of Education, Sport, Arts and Culture in particular, seem to be disinterested in developing sports. I can refer you to the just ended Africa Nations Games which took place in Mozambique. Our teams were equipped to compete at that particular level. There was no commitment from the government to make a budgetary provision for the sponsorship of the teams.

The majority of the teams had an opportunity to go overseas where facilities for training and equipment is readily available. They went there to participate. Zimbabwe was celebrating 15 medals, but if you ask where we got the 15 medals from which particular discipline of the sport gave us the 15 medals? It is swimming. If you look at the names of the swimmers, there is not a single black or male swimmer. All was centred around Kirsty Coventry. Why she managed to do that is not because Zimbabwe had provided anything for her to perform. It is because Kirsty is based in America. Those who are locally based are students at A schools where their parents actually help in the development of sports at those schools and the facilities.

I come from a constituency called Kambuzuma with wards 14 and 36. 36 is in Mufakose. We have one of the biggest swimming pools in Mufakose where any competition can be held. If you go there today you can not even look twice in the pool. There is nothing which the government is doing. School used to have programmes to send their children for swimming lessons, they have since forgotten that there is swimming. What is that our children used to benefit? The last time the pools were used was in 2005. Up to today nothing is happening, but we have staff which you find manning the pools on daily basis. The question now is what is that we call sport in the Ministry of Education, Sport, Arts and Culture? What strategies do we have to develop sport? There seems to be nothing.

There is also another sport which is cricket. Cricket had a lot of potential, but if you look at the performance of our cricket teams, it shows you that there is no foundation at all as the performance is almost ad hoc. Today they perform very well, tomorrow you forget that it was the same team that beat Bangladesh over all their matches. There are flashes of brilliance in individuals here and there and then you ask yourself a question, who is supposed to make sure that we maintain that consistence? You find the Ministry is no-where.

We have the Sports Commission which receives 6% of gross of any money raised by the Sports associations. Their responsibility is simply to have an office at the national Sports Stadium, pay the salaries and that is all. There is nothing else which they are doing. Why did we establish that Commission? We thought the Commission was going to coordinate sport, come up with policies and strategies which will improve sport and offer advice and not interference.

You look at the situation of cricket, it could have been very easy to teach the sport to our people. Yes, we have Tashinga in Highfields there which has produced brilliant cricket players like Tatenda Taibu, but it was not emulated anywhere else. It ended in Highfields and nowhere else. This must be the responsibility of the Sports Commission to see that sport is being spread and our catchment area for players is going to be bigger.

Tennis has suffered a natural death from the time the Black brothers and their sister retired. Tennis Zimbabwe has almost come to an end. What are we doing to make sure that we keep on developing sport championing out players? We have children who have the talent and appetite to play but we are doing nothing to improve the facilities. This takes me to an issue of making sure that our clubs do have those facilities and develop them. I can give an example, Dynamos is a big football team well known in the continent. It is one of the respected teams but up to today Dynamos does not have a training ground. It has no home were you can go and buy a scarf, t-shirt , flag or any team regalia. There is nowhere where you can go today. You find people flying all sorts of Dynamos flags. The logo has since been distorted because there is no deliberate effort to market and make money for the team. What do we then have to do? We have Mbare No. 7 ground in Mbare, if the City of Harare could give that to Dynamos, a long lease and Dynamos will then develop that as their training pitch, and also come up with sports clubs where people who would like to meet players and see the team train and buy regalia will go.

In my constituency, we have a pitch in Kambuzuma 5 which is now like a potato field that could also be given to another team - take for example, Caps United they could then develop that place and also ensure that our children come and see their role models and emulate them. The team would then also help to develop other facilities for the less privileged, but this is not happening and who is supposed to be championing that? It is the Ministry of Education.

Whilst you are doing all that, you are also creating a sports person who has values, a sports person who has integrity, a sports person who would want to be respected and because we are not doing that, when our people have a little chance to do something at top level and they are compromised - they are willing players in that particular scam. This takes me to issue of what is now popularly known as the Asia Gate corruption which happened Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker, we have got a national team and a Football Association of this land, we also have the Sports Commission. For a national team to participate anywhere outside Zimbabwe - it needs clearance from the Sports Commission. ZIFA as a board must be fully aware that there is a match that is going to be played, what is that match called and what are the rules involved? If a national team finds itself outside this country without the knowledge of the Sports Commission, then there is a serious breach of protocol because if anything happens to the national team out there - there will not be anyone to answer. But, Madam Speaker, we had a situation where our national team was going out there without the Sports Commission knowing but I do not believe that the Sports Commission did not know - why? Because if the Sports Commission did not know on return of the team, it was supposed to have summoned and asked why, how, where did you go and what happened? I have not heard of a situation where that happened - it never happened.

Now, this resulted in ZIFA - especially some of its officials - engaging in casino football where our national team was made a chip in a casino game. Madam Speaker, the report I have here that I will use for my reference came from the Zimbabwe Football Association and is now of public knowledge. When I was going through the report I said to myself, am I dreaming, are we in a country which has laws because there are people whom I am seeing today some still involved in football who must actually be behind bars. These people brought the whole game of football into disrepute, the country itself was embarrassed, the brand of this country Zimbabwe is now compromised and I feel very sorry for our young players who were made sacrificial lambs - the players who knew nothing but because of this lack of inconsistent development of the mind from the young age, these young people did not even understand what corruption is and they were thrown in the deep end. I feel sorry for a young boy by the name Tawanda from Kutama who was also roped into a team that was supposed to be called,'Under 20' to go to Malaysia. The young boy ended up with one thousand dollars (US$1000.00) in his pocket and did not even know what having the money meant … - [MR. NAVAYA: Inaudible interjection] -

Madam Speaker, it is also very disturbing when you deal with Members of Parliament who purport to be legislators or leaders of this country that do not understand the damage some of these things do to the country. People that think that lawlessness is the order of the day and cannot comprehend the gravity of some of these things. For a Member of Parliament who does not understand what corruption is, what it does to a country - it is so disturbing. You become just a rouge person who has no appreciation at all of values - it is quite disturbing because that is precisely why our young people were used to that extent.

We have a Chief Executive who was in ZIFA and some of the things that are written about how she conducted business, how she ran ZIFA - it was like a small kingdom that belong to her and did all that she wanted with ZIFA. You would have a situation where the Chief Executive would go out with a delegation, where there is a head of delegation, but the head of delegation was ceremonial. He would be told, you are just here enjoy yourself...

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. What is your point of order honourable?

MR. NAVAYA: We no longer have a quorum.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Can we count the members who are in here.

Bells rung.

Quorum formed.

MR. MADZIMURE: Madam Speaker, I thought I was going to do justice to this report because as far as I am concerned, something must be done and it must be done now, but I will quickly go to my conclusion. The findings of the report Madam Speaker, if I can only read a few. It is like the former Chief Executive Officer of ZIFA Ms. Henrieta Rushwaya, the former Programmes Officer, Mr. Jonathan Musavengana, the FIFA Match Agent, Kudzi Shabba are implicated in the arrangement of these games and benefited financially, amounts that the Committee could not establish. A ZIFA junior staffer Harry Taruva was also used by the Chief Executive Officer.

The complicity of the former ZIFA President Mr. Wellington Nyatanga can not be ruled out as his failure to reign in the Chief Executive Officer's activities - on various issues like definitions of authority. He let loose the Chief Executive Officer to the board and association resulting in them not functioning. The Chief Executive Officer became untouchable, that is a mini-god.

Madam Speaker, we have submissions from a number of people who participated and what the investigations found out was that Ms. H. Rushwaya had a propensity to instill fear in the subordinates. Madam Speaker, the only reason why that became possible is that we now have other agents of Government in sport and it is quite disturbing that you find the involvements of even security agents in the running of football, which is also against the statutes of FIFA. We do not need that to happen. We have got trips which were undertaken, for example by a team called Monomotapa which was then told you will be the national team. As they were playing football, the youngsters were told that we have to make money. On this particular game, this is what we are going to get and for you to get the money you have to lose a game.

Madam Speaker, this did not happen once. There is - in the report, where it is reported that one of our goal keepers - if it was not for injuries, he could have gone very far, his name is Energy Murambadoro. When he was told that he was supposed to let in goals, he actually cried, someone had to console him and ask him that you must just take it easy, not as a game but take it as a gambling game. You just have to take it as if you are playing ma bhuza kumusha. He was crying because he could not believe it, he thought he was out there to market himself as an individual and he was told to let in four goals. He could not believe it.

We have circumstances where the Chief Executive would go to the money links - during that time Zimbabweans were supposed to bank their monies in Zimbabwe and having an account outside Zimbabwe was called externalisation but she would go to withdraw money from the ATMs in these foreign countries to pay the players. All what the players were paid was not signed for. We have a situation where a person like Ernest Sibanda went to Singapore and he was told pano tinotorova mari nhasi and he ended up getting US$6 000, which he did not sign for. It was not him only but the entire technical staff were given US$4 - 5 000. He wanted to buy a Mercedes Benz and in his report, Ernest Sibanda is saying, well I could not clear the car because when I got here the value which ZIMRA fixed on the vehicle was too high for me, so I ended up selling the vehicle.

A reporter by the name of Robson Sharuko who travelled on most of these trips at one time he was said to be a delegate himself and would sit on the bench. This is coming out of the report.

Madam Speaker, if we have that caliber of people amongst ourselves and no action is taken- in the eyes of the world, Zimbabwe is not worth a team to play with. We were all wondering why as we were preparing for some of the international matches, we could not find takers to play us. Even our neighbour South Africa, now I know why South Africa would not be bothered to play a friendly with Zimbabwe and yet it is the least cost trip. It is because South Africa also went to another tournament with Zimbabwe and South Africa beat Zimbabwe so easily to the extent that they were so worried. They approached our team and said, you are our neighbours, what is happening, we know you can play soccer - but imagine a team which has beaten you must celebrate - because Zimbabwe was told not to get to the quarter final stage. So, they had to lose a game and that is exactly what happened, they lost a game dismally to South Africa and South Africa approached the team and asked what was happening.

As a country - another hon. member was saying ingano because he does not understand the name Zimbabwe, and when you go and stand there, paying attention, the national anthem is being sung for you, you have got the entire country in your shoulders. My problem Madam Speaker, is not the commission but the crime, it is what we have done to make sure that we cleanse our name as Zimbabwe. What is that we have done? What is that we have done to protect those young people who are playing in South Africa, who have established themselves? The only way we can help those young people is to take action on the people who have caused that problem.

A Zimbabwean player today, if he misses a golden opportunity which happens with any player, the question is uyu muZimbabwean ka uyu ufuna imali, vamunike imali. South Africans speak Zulu, this is what they say whenever Thomas Swesve conceeds a goal, people think Thomas Swesve has been given money. People who know them, who know this issue, they will never seriously bid for such players. I am happy a player like Knowledge Musona was so fortunate that he was not part of this team, but we have our Captain Method Mwanjali who was compromised, a very fine player. Some players did not know what was happening because they would approach 3 or 5 people, the captain, another defender, the goalkeeper, those are the people who are paid and the rest of the team do not know and they just see the goalkeeper punching the goal into his own net. They started to think was it a mistake, they get so emotional as players because they want to practice.

RECOMMENDATIONS

The Committee of Parliament must come up with a report and there are people whom I strongly feel must be blacklisted, who should not be even found near soccer administration or near soccer stadiums. This is the most worrying thing, we have got the FIFA officials right here in Zimbabwe right now and if anyone is to see such a report and he is told that people are still out there. A lot of questions are raised on the calibre of the police itself and their involvement.

On the assets of the Trust, those must be handed over to ZIFA without any questions at all. There are also reports that our PSL teams had been given each a kit including the cones which are used during training and balls. All were taken to the house of the former Chief Executive Officer and then she made a report to Highlands Police Station to say, they were burnt. A ball is very difficult to burn because it rolls but surprisingly when one person went to install a generator at the former Chief Executive Officer's house, he saw football balls. He asked for one and he was given 15. There are also reports that quite a number were distributed in Masvingo there during some primary elections and that is true. Some have actually been recovered by the police.

Madam Speaker, if we want to be serious as a nation, there are a lot of things which affect even the investment climate of a country including some of these things. There is no team out there which would want to adopt a team in Zimbabwe if such issues are not addressed. There are no agents who would take our boys seriously if such issues are not addressed. These issues are documented.

Lastly Madam Speaker, we have some very respectable people in the ZIFA Board. Some who participated in these investments are now so jittery and afraid of the underworld. There are people who are phoning them, intimidating them and even following them. I think that Madam Speaker must be brought to a stop. We cannot operate a mafia to that extent but the whole reason why it is possible for people to intimidate others is because they are scot-free. They are out there and they are like mini-gods for sure because no one can touch them but what is it that even us as a country would benefit from such a person to an extent where we do not take action on such people.

So Madam Speaker, the report is very clear and I understand this report was handed over to the police, if we still have a credible police. There is nothing which I have seen political about these things. It is all about sport. It is all about people who are greedy. Imagine our national team has gone out there where we have ambassadors and never called a courtesy call on the Embassy to say we are here, even to inform them that we are coming. They would go there and come back without communicating with the Embassy.

Madam Speaker, it is the responsibility of the Ministry through the sports association to see that this will never happen again but us as Parliament, I think it is important that we now start crafting laws which will take care of those crimes in sport. As Parliament we must make sure that within those statutes, there are clauses which obliges the football bodies and tennis bodies to report these things and there must be a clear procedure on how we deal with it.

Our Sports Ministry should come to this House and say this is how we have seen the effect of corruption in the game and this is how will intervene and not interfere. Interference is where you say so and so has been elected but we do not want him. We want this other person. That is interference but intervention, where crime has been committed, I think that is permissible and it is within the powers of this House to amend some of the laws which regulate our sport and incorporate the necessary provisions to make sure that we do not subject our country to such an embarrassment.

MR. CHITANDO: I would like to add my voice to the motion which was raised by Hon. Madzimure with a few things. First of all, I am not going to look at all other sporting associations, but I am going to look at soccer. One administrator of soccer said, if you are in politics and you want to win, an election and if you use violence, you do not have to be near the game of soccer because the game of soccer calls for fair play.

When we are talking of a game of soccer we are talking of a game which brings peace. We are talking of a game which reduces crime. If you say a day when Dynamos and Caps United are playing, if we are to take statistics of crimes which are going to be committed in Mbare, they will be reduced at that hour from 3.00 o'clock to 5.00 o'clock. There will be crime reduction because of soccer. We are saying we are talking of a very noble game.

The game of soccer usually improves the economy of any country. Let us take for instance South Africa. The economy of South Africa has just grown by more than 10% because of the World Cup. So we should be able to do the same if we are to improve the game of soccer in Zimbabwe.

I am going to look at four things:

(1) the funding of the national team;

(2) soccer development;

(3) the levies and then finally the;

(4) Asiagate.

Any country in the world looks at the most popular sport in that country and they make a deliberate policy to fund that sport. If you go to Bangladesh, you will know that there is cricket and they have made deliberate policies to fund cricket and cricket has made a great improvement to the GDP of that country. Also, if you go to Brazil, it is the same. If you go to other countries which have soccer, they have deliberate policies which are towards the most popular sport in that country.

What about Zimbabwe? The national team is not funded by the Government. It is funded by the individuals. If you look at when the Under 23 were going to South Africa, their winning bonuses, they were given by an individual, the president Cuthbert Dube. Do we have to do that? I was saying to myself, we are sending soldiers to the DRC and the soldiers are given food, ammunition, transport and everything to go and fight the enemy well equipped. What about the Zimbabwean Warriors? They are not given anything but it is another front of the Army. If we are talking about patriotism and we do not look at the Warriors, the game of soccer, there is something wrong with us. So, I am saying it should be the policy of this Government to fund the National Teams and not for ZIFA to fund it because Warriors will be representing Zimbabwe. It is the flag of Zimbabwe that they will be flying and the name of Zimbabwe that they will be upholding. It should be everybody's duty to see that we the government fund the Warriors.

Let me tell you, in other countries if the team in that country is beaten or defeated by any team, say if we had been defeated by Liberia that day, all the Bottle Stores, even to the Stock Exchange, it will make a significant impact. So, it means if we have a deliberate policy to fund the National Team, we will be doing something for the good of our nation.

Let me go to the issue of soccer development. Hon. Madzimure talked about this and I am going to be very brief on that. I think will be very good if as a nation we have got a policy, which the Ministry is going to have in developing our sports persons. If we take our sports calendar for the year, it is the Second Term for soccer and the First Term for athletics, and we are saying we want to be number one at the All Africa Games when we have trained them for only two months. I think it is impossible. I think the Ministry of Education has to revise their curriculum. They have to review it.

On the same note, the levies which are being charged to our teams are very exorbitant and one of the levies is from the Local Government. I think we should have a policy which should revise these levies which are being charged to our people.

Again to the Zimbabwe Republic Police, when ZANU PF or MDC has a rally, the police go there and they are not paid a single cent, but when Zimbabwe is playing, the police want money. That is ridiculous. The least thing which happens is that the police will go there with their own charges and the top-heavy-Commissioners will be manning at the stadium because they are not going there to protect the people; vanenge vachienda kundohora.

On the issue of the Asiagate, we have the mafia type that have been brewed by the Chief Executive Officer. If I can take you to one of the statement according to the Vice President of the ZIFA, Tendai Madzokere on 19 March 2011, the Chief Executive Officer told us in a meeting that enjoys some preferential protection from the President. Which is the President of ZIFA. He said in a meeting that the ZIFA President can not fire him or do anything to him because he knows what bomb he was standing on.

People should understand this. The Office of the Vice President, the Late Vice President went on to be abused by the Chief Executive Officer to the extent that even some of the CIOs from that office were taken as delegates of ZIFA especially one by the name Phillip is recorded in every trip. There was a CIO who was going with the Zimbabwe Warriors on a looting machine. They were getting money and they were going to the Foreign Exchange rate abusing the exchange rate at US$1: ZW$1. This was recorded in the findings of the Asiagate.

If the Police are really doing their work, I think they should investigate this and arrest those people. There is nothing we can do in order for this game to improve except cleaning up the Zimbabwe Football and this is only by arresting those people who committed the crimes.

Let me tell you, some of the players were just innocent and they did not know what was happening. We are saying, even in the Bible, you will see that when Abraham was told to go and sacrifice his son, God literally knew that there was a sheep there at last. Let those innocent players not be the sheep that are going to be sacrificed at last. Sacrifice the person who was managing those Casino games.

I thank the House and I would urge you to support the motion which has been moved by Hon. Madzimure. I would also want the House to take note of the observations 1, 2,7, 9, 10, 13 and to take note of the report and recommendations numbers 15 and 17 of the Asiagate. I thank you.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF WOMEN'S AFFAIRS, GENDER AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT: Mr. Speaker Sir, I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday, 4th October, 2011.

On the motion of THE MINISTER OF WOMEN'S AFFAIRS, GENDER AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, the House adjourned at Five Minutes past Four O'clock p.m. until Tuesday, 4th October, 2011.

 

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