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NATIONAL ASSEMBLY HANSARD - 6 OCTOBER 2011 VOL. 38 NO. 7

Thursday, 6th October, 2011

 

The House of Assembly met at a Quarter-past Two O'clock p.m.

 

 

PRAYERS

 

(THE DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair)

ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE DEPUTY SPEAKER

NON-ADVERSE REPORT RECEIVED FROM THE PARLIAMENTARY LEGAL COMMITTEE

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have to inform the House that I have received a non-adverse report from the Parliamentary Legal Committee for all the Statutory Instruments published in the Government Gazette during the month of August 2011.

MOTION

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER (PROF. MUTAMBARA): I move the motion that Orders of the Day, Numbers 1 to 8 be stood over until the rest of the Orders of the Day, have been disposed of.

Motion put and agreed to.

MOTION

PRESIDENTIAL SPEECH: DEBATE ON ADDRESS

Tenth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion in reply to the Presidential Speech.

Question again proposed.

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER (PROF. MUTAMBARA) : I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday, 11th October 2011.

 

MOTION

CONDOLENCES ON THE DEATH OF RETIRED GENERAL SOLOMON MUJURU

Tenth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the death of Retired General Tapfumaneyi Ruzambo Solomon Mutusva Mujuru.

Question again proposed.

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER (PROF. MUTAMBARA) : Madam Speaker, I want to join Members of this august House in expressing my condolences to the Mujuru family and to the people of Zimbabwe, but in doing so, I want to draw three lessons from the life of General Mujuru. When people die, when heroes depart from us, the most important thing for us is to say what can we learn from the illustrious son or daughter of the nation?

Lesson number one: diversity and tolerance to differences and dissent. Mujuru was a member of ZANU PF, but was accessible to all MDC formations. He was respected by and he in turn respected all political parties and players in Zimbabwe. Mujuru provided wise counsel to the Inclusive Government. In fact this Inclusive Government is a product of Solomon Mujuru, where he pressurises his colleagues in ZANU PF to be reasonable, where he pressurizes some of us who were in opposition to be reasonable, hence bringing Zimbabweans together and thus crafting the Global Political Agreement, which agreement has produced this Government. That is the lesson number 1 from Solomon Mujuru. There is dignity in difference, there is strength in diversity. Diversity is a virtue. We learn from General Mujuru that we do not have to be the same. We can be united without being uniform. We do not have to belong to the same political party. We can pursue be united by the national interest from different political parties, from different constituencies, from different sectors of the economy or society. That is lesson number 1 we get from General Mujuru, the master tactician, the great strategist.

When you look at this man, who started off from ZAPU in 1967 crossing over to ZANU in 1971 and then after Independence, bringing ZIPRA, ZANLA and the Rhodesian forces together into one Army. Here is a man who is able to live with differences, who is able to accommodate diversity and live with it in pursuit of the national interest. There is nothing wrong with having differences of opinion or political affiliation. What is essential is being able to disagree without being disagreeable. That is our lesson number 1 from Mujuru the unifier.

Lesson number 2 is that individuals do make a difference. The lesson from General Mujuru is that one individual who is determined, who is a visionary, who is principle driven, can make history. Individuals do matter. When you look at the history of the liberation struggle in particular after Chitepo died in 1975 in Zambia, you see the footprints of one man, you see the impact of one individual Solomon Mujuru. Even before 1975, Mujuru's attack at Altena farm in 1972 marked the beginning of the decisive phase of the arms struggle. In 1975 he daringly escaped from Zambia, went into Mozambique. When you look at the different accounts you can see Mujuru as a guerrilla, as a nationalist, as a freedom fighter making a difference. Putting ZIPA togetherfrom ZANLA and ZIPRA forces, of which he became Commander of the ten men ZIPA team. ZIPA had a distinguished record of fighting, thank to Mujuru.

President Robert Mugabe and Cde. Tekere crossed over to Mozambique in 1975, you see again a role of Solomon Mujuru. There will be no President Robert Mugabe without Solomon Mujuru. Solomon Mujuru made President Robert Mugabe. Go to history, General Mujuru single handedly shaped the direction of the struggle. Individuals make history. This is the lesson we get from Mujuru. Do not despair and say I am just an individual. If you are determined, if you are organised, you can change your circumstances. If you are inspired and driven, you can make history. When the ZANLA and ZANU members who had been arrested in Zambia and came back into Mozambique in 1976, again it is Mujuru who shapes history. How Tongogara then takes over ZANLA, again Mujuru allows that to happen. In the resolution of the Vashandi saga involving people such as Dzinashe, Machingura, again positively or negatively, you see Mujuru as the key player. Mujuru was the maker of history. Then at the Lancaster House Conference in 1979 before that at the Geneva Conference in 1976 and also at Malta Conference in 1978, you see the role of this individual, this hero General Mujuru..

After Independence as I have already indicated in the diversity lesson, the bringing together of ZANLA, ZIPRA and the Rhodesian forces could not have happened without the wisdom, millitary prowess and

cultural intelligence of the man called General Mujuru. So let us know as Zimbabweans that our history, our future is in our hands. Do not worry too much about numbers and the group effort. Individuals make history, that is what Zimbabwe's first four star general teaches us.

The last lesson from General Mujuru is excellence in everything. You must be an outstanding performer in many areas. Some people say I am a bowler, I am a Professor, I am a banker. They are high achievers in one area. The question is what else have you done? Mujuru was a superstar soldier, a soldier of soldiers. Mujuru was a superstar politician, a politician of politicians. Mujuru was a superstar farmer, a farmer of farmers. Mujuru was also a distinguished businessman and miner of note. This is the basis of lesson number of three: Let us have excellence in everything we do. It is not enough to be a superstar in one area. Be a superstar, be a bowler across a broad spectrum of different things. Freedom fighter, commander, businessman, miner, farmer and politician; Solomon Mujuru answered affirmatively to all these with a nod of excellence.

Madam Speaker, I thought it was prudent and proper for us as a nation to pick up the lessons from this man who departed. Number 1 lesson is tolerance to diversity and accommodation of differences. The second lesson is that individuals do make a difference. The last one is to encourage our young people, encourage our MPs to be superstars in different areas as MP, as a business person, as an academic, as a journalist - whatever you choose to do, be the best of the best. WE must all be excellence personified in a broad range of activities.

Those are the three lessons I thought I could share with this House on the occasion of our remembering this hero of heroes, the soldier of soldiers, the Commander of commanders. May the soul of this multi-talented, multi-tasker, the great son of the Zimbabwean soil rest in peace. I thank you Madam Speaker.

*MR. MAZIKANA: Thank you Madam Speaker for giving me this opportunity to first thank the mover of the motion Hon. Bhasikiti. Further also cast back my mind to how the country mourned over the loss of a hero of heroes, General Mujuru. From the contribution of the Hon. Deputy Prime Minister, Professor Mutambara, I would want to remember when I was a young boy growing up in Mbire which is at the boarder of Mozambique and Zambia, I recall in 1969 when freedom fighters came into Mbire from Zambia, they had been trained in Russia but when they came amongst us, they did not say that they were freedom fighters they said that they were surveyors that they were looking at areas that possibly needed development because during then Zambezi Valley were Mbire is found was the least developed country due to hot climatic conditions. During that time the person who was oppressing this country, Ian Smith did not want that border lying areas should be developed. I recall that my father explained to me that the people that we were seeing were freedom fighters who had been trained in Russia, came to Zambia and entered Zimbabwe. In 1972, we then heard the legacy of one kid the Malunga-lunga and Rex Nhongo. We were surprised that Rex Nhongo and Malunga -lunga we young black fighters who were fighting against a white man because that time we used to place a white man nearer to God. We were even shocked that there could be black people like us who could take it up to fight people like brother Cross. We were surprised with that. We were then told…

MR. MUSHONGA: Point of order Madam Speaker.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is your point of order Hon. Mushonga?

MR. MUSHONGA: On a point of order Madam Speaker. The hon. member is saying Cde. Nhongo was fighting Cde. Cross. That is unparliamentary and it is wrong. It is unparliamentary behaviour on the part of the learned man.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. member, I will give you the floor to debate and then you will argue on what he has said. So, you are ruled out of order.

*MR. MAZIKANA: Madam Speaker, we had in our area a place called Sipolilo where we had a District Commissioner called Cross. So we knew very well that this District Commissioner who was called Cross, apart from the German originated Catholic Priest who led a Mission, the legacy that I heard as I was growing up, was that of Kid Marongorongo and Cde. Nhongo. We would hear stories that surprised us, that there were white people who were clad in Rhodesian Front uniforms. Whenever they arrived in an area driving their army trucks, we heard that Rex Nhongo and his team were hitting these white men and some of them were running away. We were quite amused by this.

In one of those stories, we heard of miracles where Nhongo would turn into a tree stump so that the whites would not be able to notice him. That motivated a lot of boys and girls from Mbire and the surrounding area to go to Zambia and Mozambique. All because of these fearless fighters who fought the white people whom we treated as nearer to God. When these freedom fighters came to the villages, we were told these were terrorists. The soldiers came to us through the Chiefs and we were called for meetings where we were told that they were terrorists and not freedom fighters and that they were not good. They were painted as very bad people who were likened to the devil.

We were surprised when we were growing up in Mbire, seeing the team of Cde. Nhongo being called terrorists by the white men, when in fact their mission was to liberate our country. We then looked at the love that they had for us and how they spoke to us and we noticed that the word 'terrorists' did not suite them. We later heard gun battles and during these gun battles, the white men would be beaten and killed and some of them would run away.

There is nothing as gratifying or splendid as the courage to change the life of a black man or woman of Zimbabwe. We were fourth class citizens in our country of birth but because of the bravery and firmness of Solomon Mujuru who was soldier of soldiers, hero of heroes, who led the armed struggle from the Centenary side, we would hear songs being sung. [Hon. member singing - Come Centenary and see miracles that are occurring in Centenary, come and see the miracle]- …..These are some of the things that sealed his legacy with his army. He was uplifted from being a guerrilla to a commander. Madam Speaker.......

Hon. Baloyi having passed between the Chair and the member speaking on the floor.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order hon. member.

*MR. MAZIKANA: Madam Speaker, we may joke and not look at the depth and the strategies this hero had. It is was difficult to send boys and girls with anti-air and bazooka and come back to destroy the established Rhodesian army that was receiving support from the British, the Americans and the South Africans. There were some Boers who were coming from South Africa, mercenaries who were hairy and were proud of their stature, saying they wanted to catch the "terrorists" and they wanted to put them in a box. So they came to Zimbabwe and they were severely beaten in the battle fields. I recall Madam Speaker that there was a song about Brigadier Mutinhiri when he came back because he fought and lived with the late Cde. Mujuru. Some may not know but it is important, and I would want to place it on record to those who did not know about the gravity of the song. There were songs that we used to sing and some hon. members would help me to sing the song…

-[ The hon. member started singing ]-…

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Can you switch off that thing Hon. Mazikana. I allowed you to sing the first time and I am not going to allow you to keep on singing. Can you debate and stop singing.

MR. MAZIKANA: Thank you Madam Speaker. But I wanted to tell you that the song was called "Comrade Nhongo carry your sub and whatever happens come let us go and the cock will rule" and we would be doing this -[Hon. member imitating the jongwe swinging its wings]-

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order hon. members.Hon. Mazikana, please stop being excited, I am asking you to continue with your debate not to sing.

MR. MAZIKANA: Thank you Madam Speaker. I hear that when we refer to the work that he did during the liberation struggle I remember that General Peter Walls once said that the person who was giving him sleepless nights, I quote "the guerrillas, the terrorists. If we could eliminate the likes of Tongogara and Mujuru we have won the battle." What makes me proud at the moment is that in 1980, if you look at our TV as the comrades were coming back from the war, you will see the young commander, General Mujuru commanding thousands of soldiers in the assembly points and you can see the respect given to him. He was a war veteran and he was a leader. If you see a guerrilla commander forcing Peter Walls, a Boer, on his knees then that man is not one to play with. Peter Walls never stayed in Zimbabwe because he never thought it would be won. He thought he was a giant of giants. Transformation came Madam Speaker, through the dedication of a hero like General Mujuru, to change the lives of us Zimbabweans.

Today, I, a humble Mazikana am in this august House. Even if you look at the layout and the leather in this House it was imported from the UK because they thought they would be here forever. Now they are dethroned and we are in here. If you look at the seat that you are sitting on Madam Speaker, it has ivory from Mbire. The whites did not want to see that. The farms where we are today and farming joyously, came from the sweat and struggle of such heroes as General Mujuru. The likes of deputy Prime Minister Aurther Mutambara is a product from Hartzell to the University of Zimbabwe. You would hear that there was AGO, it was because of the liberation struggle that was wedged by the likes of general Mujuru.

Madam Speaker, for you to be there in that Chair, you got the opportunity to be chosen to be a representative of people in this Parliament. It is the sweat....

MR. MADZIMURE: On a point of order, Madam Speaker as the Chair he has no right of reply so the hon. member cannot answer to the Chair.

THE DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order in the House. Hon. Mazikana, do not do it again.

MR. MAZIKANA: I have not been understood. In Rhodesia women were not respected. There was nothing called equality between men and women. The liberation war fought by General Mujuru led to the equality between men and women and that is what I was trying to say. In conclusion I would like to say, we mourn with you, the Mujuru family, the country's hero, hero of heroes who worked amongst us and has left a legacy in the lives and history of Zimbabwe. I thank you Madam Chair.

MR. SARUWAKA: Thank you Madam Speaker for affording me the opportunity to contribute on this important motion. I would like to thank the mover of the motion Hon. Bhasikiti for doing something which is not expected of him, for bringing a sensible issue in this House. On a number of cases, he only brings jokes to this House, but for once he has brought a serious issue. I want to thank our basket case once more, Hon. Bhasikiti. The news of the passing on of Cde Rex Nhongo was brought to me while I was doing my constitutional routine inspections in my constituency. At that particular time, I was in Mt. Jenya where I was inspecting the installation of an Econet booster with Muchinguri's councillor from MDC vaTeterai, local headman vaMatengambiri, my PA and a friend. When I received the call that Cde. Mujuru was no more, our instant response was to kneel down. In our culture kneeling is a sign of respect to the dead. That is how we honour our dead in our culture. When I received this call, it was a shcok because we had not received any message of Cde. Mujuru being sick. So, my friend then asked me this question, 'Are you going to attend Cde. Mujuru's burial at the Heroes Acre?'. By that time, no one had declared him a hero but it was obvious that there was no need for anyone to do that because Cde. Mujuru was a natural hero. He had contributed far enough things that the question of his hero-ship would never arise - it was an obvious case.

I then instructed my Personal Assistant (PA) that as soon as we got back to the Office the first thing was to lower the flag to half mast panga pasina chekumirira neyekumirira. Cde. Mujuru liberated this country from the yoke of colonialism. Then the question of attendance at the Heroes Acre for me was nothing that I needed to think about or even wait for any authority to allow me to go to the Heroes Acre. I knew from the onset that this was one hero I was going to honour by attending his burial whether people in high authority had advised against or otherwise. The following day I was then petrified to hear one Ray Kaukonde telling the nation that on behalf of Mashonaland East - not on behalf of Zimbabwe - on behalf of Mashonaland East, he was recommending to the Politburo that Cde. Mujuru be declared a national hero. Who is Ray to recommend that and what is this body called the Politburo trying to do other than seeking cheap relevance by lying to the nation that they sat down to deliberate Cde. Nhongo's hero status? What an insult to the people of Zimbabwe and the Mujuru family? Cde Mujuru was declared a national hero by the people of Mutasa Central and I believe by many other Zimbabweans well before the Politburo even sat. The bumper crowd at the shrine was a clear testimony that a true hero had died. There are only a few true heroes in this world - I can count Cde. Tekere Twoboy, Cde. Tongogara, Cde. Chitepo, Cde. Nkomo Joshua, Lookout Masuku and not more than five others.

I rarely have an opportunity to watch ZBC but I intended to watch ZBC during this period just to see how they were portraying the death of this gallant son. I was shocked that ZBC was at it again - misinforming and confusing Zimbabweans. They did not take time to research on the birth date of Cde. Rex and continued to broadcast conflicting birth dates. At one time they were saying that he was born in 1945 and the other time he was born in 1949 - to them he was 62 and 66 years old when he died. I put it that they were already practicing to rig elections by announcing conflicting results or they are just outright incompetent.

Let me then use this opportunity to inform the House on the accurate facts of this great hero who was General Mujuru. I researched on the Internet - if you Google, you will find that he was born on the 1st of May, 1949 and passed on the 16th August, 2011 which made him 62 years 3 months 2 weeks and a day old. In the 1960s, Cde. Mujuru was in ZIPRA; 1971 the information is that he was now ZANLA; he was Acting Commander in Chief, in 1975; he was the joint leader of ZIPA which was a coalition of ZIPRA and ZANLA forces, in 1976; he was a Deputy Secretary of Defence for ZANU PF in 1977; he was the Commander of the Zimbabwe National Army. In 1981. Cde. Mujuru was then promoted to a position of full General in 1992 after leaving the army. He was Member of Parliament for Chikomba in 1995 to 2000. He was a businessman cum farmer in 2000

to the day of his demise.

Cde. Mujuru was a man of impeccable war credentials, a fearless and honest man, calm as a deep pond. Remember, still waters run deep unlike the rumbling shallow waters epitomized by the notorious three Js -Jonathan Moyo, Jabulani Sibanda and Joseph Chinotimba, who just make noise to draw cheap attention. Cde. Mujuru was very accommodative, he could interact with people from different political backgrounds and persuasions, he was a man who could move on. He moved on from being a soldier to a Member of Parliament (MP), he moved on from being an MP to a businessman to a miner and a farmer and he was doing these things one step at a time. He never vowed to die in Office - I think we must take that lesson from him, we must learn to move on.

Cde. Mujuru was aptly remembered as a Commander of Commanders. Let me take this opportunity to unpack what this means. When we talk of Commanders, we have got the ordinary Commanders who occupy the lower levels. Then in the middle layer we have the Commander-in-Chief and then above the Commander-in-Chief we have the Commander of all Commanders. That is what he was, he was a Commander of all Commanders, including the Commander-in-Chief.

Then how did this Commander of Commanders perish in a candle inferno as some people are trying to make us believe? Did the General not afford a generator or at least a torch? God knows in Shona we say rine manyanga hariputirwe. I would like to make this statement that hatidi mapurisa anotsvaga musoro wechitima mubheseni wasingaendi kuchiteshi. Those investigating the General's death must realise that Zimbabweans are awaiting eagerly to hear their findings. The longer they take, the more suspicious and impatient the people of Zimbabwe become. It is now like waiting for the Presidential results of March 2008 harmonised elections. We demand a speedy conclusion of the investigations so that finality is brought to the death of the great Commander.

As I wind up my debate, I go back to the Heroes Acre and just reminisce the tears that we saw flowing during his death, I just hope that they were not crocodile tears since there were a lot of crocodiles in that area. I would have shared with Cde. Mazikana's enthusiasm in trying to sing but I will just recite the words because when we were growing up in the early 80s, we knew this song, Hona mukoma Nhongo, bereka sabhu tiende, chauya chauya. I must say, every generation has its own fights. We have been motivated by Mukoma Nhongo to carry sub yamazuva ano and liberate Zimbabweans from oppression yevanhu vatema. I want to say to the Mujuru family, we mourn with you, the whole of Zimbabwe and the world over, I genuinely shed tears over his passing on. I thank you.

MR. ZHANDA: I also want to add my voice on the death of Cde. Solomon Mujuru who was a real true freedom fighter. Besides being a National Hero, Cde. Mujuru was from Mashonaland East province where I come from. I think it goes without any doubt that when we talk about the independence of this country, the independence that we now enjoy in Zimbabwe, you can never talk of independence of Zimbabwe without talking about Gen. Solomon Mujuru.

Mr. Speaker, if I go back to the history of this country, what used to happen in this country, I think it is fair that hon. members who were not grown up by that time should be made to remember that it required a man with the stature of Cde. Mujuru and others to take up arms to come and liberate this country. The first point of call is this august House where some of us, if it was not for Cde. Mujuru and the likes, could have never had the opportunity to stand here and contribute to the well-being of our society. I remember when I was young and wanted to visit my uncle in Mbare. It was a requirement at that point in time that you had to be registered with the authorities that you had a visitor and you would be given a pass as to how long you were going to stay at that house. I remember very well, when we had a house in Mbare, you had to be given a limit as to how many children would stay in your own house. I remember very well that at 7 pm, no blacks were allowed to be seen in the town centre of Salisbury. I remember very well that even if you had your own money as a business person, by nature of your race, you were not allowed to buy a house in Avondale. The best you could do was to build a house in Marimba. I remember very well that if you wanted to go buy a suit in Barbours, you would buy through the window. When you wanted to buy food passing through Cornfield, you would buy through the window. This was done to us in our own country Zimbabwe. Therefore, we must not downplay or joke about the contributions that Cde. Mujuru and others made in order to grant us freedom that we so enjoy today.

What is fascinating Mr. Speaker is that we might come from different political backgrounds, but we always share some jokes and laugh in an independent country like Zimbabwe which came about because of the sacrifices of Cde. Mujuru and others. Even in local politics in our province, Cde. Mujuru was a unifier. You know politics is something else, we might have our differences but Cde. Mujuru would unify us.

I also want to join others who have spoken before me to say that Cde. Mujuru was approachable. He was a man who wanted to see Zimbabwe prosper in a peaceful environment. Cde. Mujuru was above party politics and would interact with anybody. This is what we should learn from Cde. Mujuru, that politics should not occupy us on a daily basis, it should preoccupy us when issues of politics come around. When time for Cde. Mujuru to retire came, he was not forced to retire but he retired because he thought there were opportunities for him to pursue that which he pursued. He was a respected businessman, he was a real farmer, a true farmer at heart. He was a true businessman who wanted to take advantage of the freedom which he fought for, freedom to capacitate himself, freedom to associate with whoever he wanted and freedom to say what he believed in. I think it goes without saying that whilst there can be some discord in Zimbabwe, it is better to rule yourselves badly than to be ruled by somebody badly.

Mr. Speaker, we have differences but our differences are not based on race, our differences are differences on approach. One thing that we need to learn as Zimbabweans and I appeal to Zimbabweans is that we must always remember that we are Zimbabweans regardless of our differences. We must always learn to approach national issues on the basis of us being Zimbabweans. We must always learn to differ in terms of approach whilst we remain solely Zimbabweans. We must take pride of being Zimbabweans more than anything else. No matter what, we will always have differences, you can even have differences with your own brother but you remain in the same family as brothers. We must never allow differences to tear us apart as Zimbabweans, we must always say, differences are welcome, they are good, they are democratic and they make us stronger than anything else.

Cde. Mujuru as the other speaker has said, he was a person who tolerated different views. You would discuss with him and differ but tomorrow he would call you and tell you that yes, we differed but we are men, we must always talk together. I will give an example, I remember very well when I personally differed with him on certain issues. He was very humble, he would pick up a phone and call you and say, I want to see you. You would go there and he would say, we had our differences but as men we must always talk. This is a good example to us that we might belong to different political parties but we must always talk. On that note, I want to also join hands to wish my condolences to the Mujuru family and to wish him a peaceful rest. I thank you.

MR. MUDARIKWA: Mr. Speaker, I rise up this moment to talk about Solomon Mujuru, Rex Nhongo. He was a freedom fighter, a fighter of rare tenacity but he joined a revolution that had been created by our ancestors, Lobengula, Kaguvi, Mbuya Nehanda, Chingaira, Mashayamombe. What were they fighting against? It is important when we engage in this debate of fighting that the young generation must understand why people were fighting.

When the Pioneer Column came into Zimbabwe, they introduced the Land Apportionment Act which made life difficult for our people. There was massive congestion in the communal lands and when our fathers went and joined World War II, they were fighting against the Germans side by side with the British. The slogan they were using was Germany for Germans, Britain for Britain, France for France and Africa for us all. This created a difficult situation which caused rise in nationalism. The nationalist struggle of Zimbabwe was not as easy as it seems to be. It took a lot of time to educate people. We started with ANC, NDP and the white rulers came up with the Law and Order Maintenance Act.

Finally, the first political party to be organised was the ZAPU formation. As a national party, ZAPU, when it was formed covered everybody. It was neither a tribal party nor a regional grouping. For the interest of those who were not born, the President of ZAPU was John Nkomo, the Vice President was Samuel Parirenyatwa, the Treasurer was J.Z. Moyo, the financial secretary was George Nyandoro, the National Chairman was Ndabaningi Sithole, National Secretary was Morton Malianga. the Publicity Secretary was Robert Mugabe, Public Relations Manager was James Chikerema, National Organising Secretary was Clement Muchachi, Secretary for External Affairs was Leopold Takawira - Shumba yeChirumhanzu, the Secretary for Youth was Joseph Msika and the Secretary for Women's Affairs was Jane Ngwenya.

Here is an organisation which covered the whole of Zimbabwe and which had agreed to wedge an armed struggle against the system. The people who were there by then were fighting against a system and not against the white men. General Mujuru joined what was then organised by General Chedu to start the struggle, armed confrontation and they agreed for the sake of the dignity of the African person that there was now a need to use the gun for a gun.

General Mujuru joined in the ranks of Samora Machel, Chris Hani, B. Titto, Ernesto Chez Guevara and General Santiano. These are people who put their lives for their nations and put their lives for the down trodden. It is a difficult situation that faced General Mujuru. He did his military training in ZIPRA forces and some of the commanders who assisted in the training are here - Ambrose Mutinhiri and Alfred Nikita Mangena. He later moved from ZIPRA and joined ZANLA forces where he received further training from the Chinese and the people of Zimbabwe in 1972. The Christmas gift that he gave to the oppressed masses of Zimbabwe was in the form of an attack on Alterna Farm in Centenary. It was done in such a way that this signalled and inspired the actual rising of the armed struggle against the colonialists.

He fought the war in Mozambique. He mobilised the masses and he also attended the Geneva Conference and created semi-liberated zones in Zimbabwe. General Mujuru at every given time in his life was prepared to die for the betterment of the people of Zimbabwe. What do we learn from that? That we must be prepared to serve our country for the betterment of our people. Later on, General Mujuru joined the Zimbabwe National Army which was a creation from ZIPRA, ZANLA and the Rhodesian forces. The Zimbabwe National Army became so powerful that it performed some duties for the United Nations in Somalia and then they assisted in the defence of Mozambique when it was under attack from the Renamo.

In 1992 he left the army and moved into business. He was a man who knew that it was important to start a business. To me General Mujuru was a friend, a business partner, a drinking partner and what I learnt from him was that he was approachable, that anyone from any side or any society could approach him. You could see from the number of people who came to his burial at the Heroes Acre.

Finally Mr. Speaker Sir, I say go well General Mujuru, general of all generals. Go well Mwendamberi, a business partner and a drinking partner and a farmer. To the family, we are together with you in this most difficult moment. The truth will come out on the cause of his death. Thank you very much Mr. Speaker Sir.

MR. MUKANDURI: Thank you Mr. Speaker for affording me this opportunity to contribute in this debate. The late General Mujuru is a man who dedicated his life and sacrificed his blood to liberate Zimbabwe. Let me say, General Mujuru was a brilliant military strategist .

During the early days of the liberation war of Zimbabwe, General Mujuru, as some of the hon. members have stated, did his military training in Russia, Tanzania and of course in China. What I want to say is that he is one of those people who brought independence to this country. The foundational values that we are defending today, the norms, the ethos of freedom and democracy, ideals of one man one vote were non-existent during the colonial era but people like him who sacrificed because they had experienced that system. General Mujuru was not fighting against colour, he was fighting a system. They wanted to overthrow a system that was racist. He was a freedom fighter. He brought independence and equality to both the black and white. He liberated both the black and the white men.

During the early days, General Mujuru was at Chifombo in Zambia and he worked with people like Mr. Sumamba who was of the Liberation Committee in Zambia. The now General A. Mbita was a colonel of course of the TPDF seconded to the OAU Liberation Committee. I must say and I must admit that General Mujuru was my commander. I was also in the trenches in Zambia, Kamala, Tanzania and Mugagau and we received advice, strategies and tactics from this great man. Gen. Mujuru was a great commander. During the era of De Tante, this was in 1976, there was a problem when the liberation struggle was stalled because of certain political problems. Leaders of the frontline states, in particular, the late President Machel of Mozambique, the late Mwalimu of Tanzania, the former President of Zambia who is still alive, President Kenneth Kaunda, did form what was called ZIPA.

ZIPA combined ZANLA and ZIPRA forces and I still remember that one of the Commanders in the ZIPRA forces is a Deputy Minister in one of the executive organs of the State. During this era, the late General Mujuru showed that he was a good, brilliant commander because I can still remember that the Rutenga area and railway line was demobilized because of ZIPRA forces who were commanded by the brilliant late Gen. Mujuru.

Soon after Independence, the Late General Mujuru joined the ZNA and he was the Commander of the ZNA. In 1981, he contributed immensely during the Mozambique campaign when Zimbabwe was defending its Transport Corridor, the Beira Corridor and of course during the number of occasions in Zimbabwe as we really know he did contribute to defending the independence of Mozambique. This was done by the ZNA which was commanded by the late General Mujuru. When he retired in 1992, he joined politics and he became a member of this august House representing Chikomba Constituency.

Soon after leaving Parliament, he continued to contribute to the national development of Zimbabwe. He was a very successful and 'productive farmer' in Beatrice area - I know of only one farm not several farms. He was also a successful businessman. The late General Mujuru was a unifier. He was a very objective man. He was a fearless man and he could tell you to go to whatever he wanted to say. What I want to say is, he did not fear anybody, but he respected his leaders. He was the Commander of Commanders. Of course there is a Commander-in-Chief but he was a Commander of Commanders.

Lastly, I would like to.....

Hon. Mafios having passed between the Chair and the hon. member holding the floor.

THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER: Order hon. member.

MR. MUKANDURI: Lastly, I would like to pass my condolences to the Vice President, Amai Mujuru and the family.

*BRIG. MUTINHIRI: I would want to add my voice to the previous speakers on the untimely passing on of Retired General Mujuru. The history of Zimbabwe would be incomplete when General Solomon Mujuru's name is not mentioned. The history of the liberation struggle of Zimbabwe would be incomplete without the mentioning of General Mujuru's name. I am cognisant of the fact that some amongst us are saying what they heard, but I am talking from my experience.

I came to know General Mujuru in 1968 when he came for training at a camp where I was the Chief Instructor. We trained him together with others who are still in government today such as the Hon. Obert Mpofu. It was evident or apparent during the training of General Mujuru that he would be a wise leader because he was outstanding as he was under going training. He showed leadership skills as he was being trained. When he was training at Morogoro in Tanzania, we used to refer to him as Solomon Mutuso. After he had finished his training in Tanzania and having distinguished himself as an expert leader, we sent him to Bulgaria to train in heavy artillery. From Bulgaria, he came back and we then had problems in the party. He then left ZIPRA and joined ZANLA in 1971. In 1975, as a result of some discord among the leadership, the war temporarily stopped. There was conflict amongst the leaders like Muzorewa, Chikerema and Ndabaningi Sithole just to mention as a few. The frontline leaders saw it fit that the political leadership be standardised so that the trained cadres continue with the liberation struggle.

It was then resolved that 5 Commanders from ZIPRA and ZANLA come together to continue waging the liberation struggle. I met General Mujuru at the formation of the Zimbabwe People's Army (ZIPA) which was a 10 men command. We agreed that General Mujuru would be the commander of the ZIPA.

I want us to understand that when we gave him the leadership, we had observed the leadership qualities of and the skills which he possessed. There was Albert Nikita Mangena, but we agreed that Mujuru had the necessary qualities to lead ZIPA. We want to recall that the war from 1975 onwards was resuscitated by ZIPA. It never came to a halt until we got our country. Although we had to fight as two separate units, ZIPRA and ZANLA, Mujuru was capable of integrating and he could understand. He was not the type of leader that one could approach with a problem and would not listen to you, but he would give you time. During the war as we were working together, I knew him as a practical man who had to lead on the front. He was fearless and was frank.

After the liberation of the country, we came back to Zimbabwe. We would meet from time to time since we come from the same Province, Mashonaland East. We would meet at different fora and he would invite me to his house and I would invite him to our house. I would consult him such as he would consult me.

He was a great man. The coming together of three different forces was a difficult task, but with the leadership qualities of General Mujuru, that formation of one army became an easy task because he was approachable, and he was one person who could talk to you any time without any red-tape. He operated on open door policy. Even if the secretaries or door keepers tried to bar you from seeing him, when he sees you, he would invite you in.

I recall that he would say that the problem that we have is that we lack loyal opposition, opposition that is loyal to the country of Zimbabwe; which can preserve the reasons for the struggle for Zimbabwe. He said if we had loyal opposition, we would say we have fought and we have done our part and they could take over.

He was an objective and unbiased man who looked on both sides of the formations; Government and the opposition. There could be differences of opinion and perspective and that difference should be respected, but the bottom line was, that person was loyal to the Government of Zimbabwe.

I am crying together with the Mujuru family. I would want this august House to unite and send our condolences to the Mujuru family.

*MR. MHANDU: Thank you hon. Speaker. I thank the Hon. Bhasikiti for bringing such an important motion. I would want to add my voice to the condolence message to the Mujuru family. I am one of those many liberation war heroes who directly benefited from General Mujuru. I am his direct product.

In 1975, during the war I was selected for my basic military training which I finished at the end of 1976 at Mapinduze. After completion of training, I came to know General Mujuru. I was quite a young man and I was one of the few that were selected. I was selected as one of the intelligent young man. I was selected for the Heavy Weaponry (Artillery) at Takawira 2. After the completion of that and because of my age, I was further chosen by General Mujuru to do Commando training at Pungwe base in Mozambique.

After completing training at Pungwe, General Mujuru and Gen. Tongogara jointly chose me for further military training at the Military Academy. Upon my return I was welcome at Maputo Airport and taken to Beira Airport. I was among those who were chosen, and among them was the late Cde. Reward Marufu, the brother to the First Lady. They also included the late national hero Brigadier General Gunda. Amongst the living were, the current Commander of 4 Brigade, Brigadier Bandama, we were chosen by General Mujuru to go and join ZIPA as instructors at Chingweya in Tanzania at Farm 17 where Frelimo cadres where being trained. Our leaders had secured that training ground for ZIPA and amongst our leaders where General Mujuru, and I was one of the instructors who were selected, under the command of the late Mike Dube. We trained a lot of cadres Farm 17 Chingweya, including Brigadier General Nyikayaramba and also Colonel Katsande. Some would come as officer cadets and they included the current Director General of CIO. There is no one who claims that he is ZANLA without having passed through the hands of the late General Mujuru.

General Mujuru was not a difficult man. He loved his cadres, he would look after his cadres, but he wanted cadres who were honest. If you were dishonest and you were a liar, you would not get on well with General Mujuru. The late General Mujuru is the first person who brought unity - unity accord that later came, the unity had started with the General uniting ZANLA and ZIPRA as forces. Unity is power, hence even at his funeral it was self evident that this was a man who was uniting people. It showed that he united everyone. Everyone was united. Those who were absent were out of the country and those who were in this country mourned together with Mujuru family. It was a record crowd that came to bury General Mujuru. I want to agree with one of the speakers that there are things that one can not deliberate in terms of heroes status. There are some people who are in this country who are renowned like General Mujuru and others whom we may not know. There was no need for someone who was born in 1980 to deliberate whether General Mujuru can be a national hero.

I would want to say that after the war, when going to the assembly points at Dzapasi, I was directly involved with General Mujuru. That is where the first group of ZANLA cadres joined the National Army, they were being led by Colonel Bota. The first group of ZIPRA was also led by the late Colonel Smile Madubeko when we went for intergration. I was among the privileged groups that were chosen by General Mujuru. He integrated the three forces into 1 Infantry Battalion, that was the first pioneer battalion. We had problems at Llewellyn barracks during integration. We were arrested by the former Rhodesian Army who targetted those from ZIPRA and those who came from ZANU. We were put into No. 4 and we were naked. We were loaded in there and we were taken for detention and we thought that we were going to be killed. We were taken to Khami Maximum Prison. We were said to be indisciplined. We told them that some of us were military instructors, it is the same thing that we want the Rhodesian officers to teach us unless there is something new. If it is training, all of us including the Rhodesian forces should be involved in the training. That was the issue. Emissaries were sent to talk to us, but we refused. As we were about to leave the prison, we said we will not leave before General Mujuru came. For three weeks, four days we were naked.

When General Mujuru came, it took him less than ten minutes - just to show you the calibre of his leadership. Then came the issue of Green Belts officers. I was among the first one to wear green belts where you will have a rank without showing anything. We accepted because of General Mujuru, so that we could survive because of the terrain and style was a lesson that we learnt from General Mujuru. We stayed there until General Mujuru was appointed. He was officially appointed as the Commander of the Zimbabwe National Army. I was among his first officers. I will just mention in brief. For him to become full General - to those who may not be in the know, Brigadier General is 1 star General, Major General is a 2 star General, Lieutenant General is a 3 star General and full General has 4 stars. So General Mujuru was the first 4 star General in Zimbabwe followed by the late General Zvinavashe. Now, we have a third and current General Constantine Chiwenga and all of them came through the hands of General Mujuru. So General Mujuru did great works, and for us to be sitting here and be able to form political parties, it came from his work. Even the MDC formations MDC-M or MDC-N, it all came from the work of General Mujuru.

General Mujuru groomed a lot of people including all those in the uniformed forces. Among those who went through the liberation struggle, they passed through General Mujuru' hands. Most of those in the Air Force passed through General Mujuru's hands including those in the Central Intelligence Organisations. So the name Mujuru is a household name when one talks about the liberation life of General Mujuru. If the history of the liberation struggle is mentioned without the name of General Mujuru, that history is void. General Mujuru, although he was a very understanding men, was a disciplined disciplinarian who led by example. He commanded from the front, other commanders command from the rear.

Chiwenga is also a commander of commanders, to those who do not know. I hear people saying many things about the Service Chiefs, Retired Major Zimondi of Prisons, Retired Major General Bonyongwe of CIO and Air Marshal Perence Shiri of Air Force, they passed through the hands of the late General Mujuru. You should know that. Any General who came from ZNLA, even comrades like Hon. Shoko of MDC passed through the hands of General Mujuru. Retired Doctor Colonel Mudzingwa worked with General Mujuru. The calibre of a man like General Mujuru observed that a man should communicate from all sides because he started with unity a long time ago.

As fellow Zimbabweans we should understand each other. If you have a different opinion or perspective, do not take it the level where you will not talk to or do any harm to another person. Different opinions should lead to discussions and, ultimately you should be agreeable and get along well. That is a lesson that I learnt from General Mujuru. With those few words, I would then say any person who went to war, who was trained and went through the war does not go around bragging about their credentials. There are those with loud mouths, who talk about their 1968 and what they did, the people whom we had problems with are children who were born yesterday who imitates what transpired during the liberation war in movie style.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I would want to say to the family of General Mujuru, you produced a gallant son. A General who taught us to be what we are. I would want to thank the Mujuru family because the late General Mujuru did his work, he taught us well and we learnt a lot of things from him. Let him rest in peace. I would want to say to Mai Mujuru, be that as it may that the General is no more, as the Lord has chosen, we want to urge this august House in our condolence message to Mai Mujuru and the Mujuru Family that it does happen and only God knows.

MR. MATIMBA: I also feel compelled to contribute to this debate, which I feel is of national importance. I am also grieved together with the Mujuru family that they lost a loved one, and as a country we lost a loved one, a principled General. I would like to acknowledge the contributions of previous speakers especially those who were really in direct contact with General Mujuru like Hon. Mhandu and Brigadier Mutinhiri. From the account of the activities of General Mujuru, one would really read that indeed there is no doubt that he was a commander of commanders. Let me also take a leaf from their contributions that no matter how we might differ in terms of thinking, we still remain one, the united Zimbabwe.

I am a bit worried that General Mujuru had to die in the circumstances in which he died and that takes me back to the deaths of our loved ones, our heroes, Herbert Chitepo, when he died the fingers were pointing to the Rhodesian front, but other fingers were pointing to the organisation to which he belonged. When General Magama Tongogara died, we had the same scenario where we had fingers pointing in different directions. Subsequent to those big leaders we had others in the likes of Cde Mahachi, Border Gezi and Manyika who perished in dubious circumstances, in which some people would point to the organisations in which they belonged to. I keep saying to myself, here we are ZANU PF, we have travelled all the way from the war, the war has been won, we are in a liberated country, we are supposed to be developing, but often times we have our leaders perishing in unceremonious situations.

Is it now a question of the liberation devouring its own children. That is my question. I am really saddened and all I can say is for somebody to speed up the investigations relating to the death of Mujuru so that all Zimbabweans are at least aware of the circumstances that led to his death and if there is anybody who is responsible then I am sure that person has to answer to the people of Zimbabwe one day. On another note, let me also say that yes, General Mujuru is departed, he is gone and I am not so sure about his religious life but let me say that for those from the Presidency downwards, I think it will be time for them to be born again so that at least when we cry we rest knowing that they also enjoying eternal peace. Like you rightfully said I am sure I should also say Amen and say thank you very much Mr. Speaker.

MR. DZIRUTWE: Thank you Mr. Speaker, I will be very brief. I have listened to a lot of hon. members contributing. My heart goes out to the Mujuru family like every other Zimbabwean but I have come to the conclusion that the life of Cde. Mujuru can probably be described as an enigma. He was a mystery, the way he died, the way he lived his life, none of us can really say we understood him, but the bit that we saw some of us appreciated. If you hear those who interacted with him during the struggle, obviously there is no one who is perfect, he had his warts, pimples and so on, but those who interacted with him militarily stand in a better picture to understand the man. As a people we are impressed by his demeanor. He was so simple to the average citizen. He did not go around beating his chest and saying I am a General, unlike some that we know. He did not intimidate anyone and if you did not know him you would not know he was there.

I am told that some weeks before he died, in a pub in Beatrice, some youths were saying they wanted to mete out instant justice to some youth members of MDC-T, and the General is supposed to have said if you beat them up you are actually beating up your own relatives, in his stammering way. If you try to unpack who the General was, it is not easy, so some will probably celebrate and say during his days he did this and that and some will probably say it is good riddance because he was trying to usurp our powers as the press was awash with stories of him being a king maker but it was sad when some members in this House debated. They did not seem to have grasped some basics about what he was all about.

I heard the hon. member who seconded this motion praising his professionalism in the context of him having been there during the integration of the Rhodesian army ZANLA and ZIPRA she said "dai ndanga ndiri ini ndaisabvuma kushanda nezvimbwasungata izvozvo." The person who bore the brand would not call anyone chimbwasungata or mutengesi, but those who Hon. Mhandu called actors are so fond of using these words. The actual victim who saw the juniors that he had trained die, was professional enough to ignore that and forge ahead. Only those who were not there are the ones calling other people names.

It does not get us anywhere, it is a tragedy that we neither understood nor appreciated him even up to his death. Some were even launching into songs hona mukoma Nhongo which any Zimbabwean who is probably over 30 years will know who the man was. The most important thing to do however is to take lessons from the way he lived his life, appreciate and acknowledge that people are not the same. Brothers have their differences. Why would anyone especially someone who is not from the same womb with you agree on everything with you and call other people all sorts of names? The general never did that. I will not bore you with my few personal encounters with the General. He was a stammerer like I am and we got along quite well. Actually and through him, we can only appreciate that thinking differently does not mean kill each other. To the Mujuru family my heart-felt condolences. To the whole nation, I am sure we lost a gallant son. Hon. General Mujuru, Rex Nhongo, whatever you want to call him, was unique in the sense that in his final resting place, resting day, he achieved that which some who think are mighty will never achieve. No one was forced to go to the Heroes Acre, we went on our own free will. On that day Chipangano was irrelevant - they did not have to go around closing markets. We went because we felt we all wanted to go there, may his soul rest in peace. I thank you Mr. Speaker.

MR. CROSS: Mr. Speaker, I want to rise and join my colleagues in regretting the manner in which General Mujuru died. I think after this man's life and his sacrifices, I am, on behalf of this nation and the people arguing that it was a great tragedy that he should die in this particular manner. I want to extend my personal condolences to Mai Mujuru, to the country and to say that I respected the man enormously. He was a real man.

I remember when Dabengwa had been in prison for three years and was released from Harare Central Prison at 5 o' clock in the morning. The only person to greet him at the gate was General Mujuru who took him home, gave him breakfast and gave him a bath - that showed the nature of the man and I personally mourn his death.

*MR. CHIRONGWE: I want to add my voice to the condolence message to the Mujuru family. The General was a man, he was a leader - I would liken General Mujuru to Alexander the Great. I first came to know General Mujuru in 1975 - I was receiving military training then. We were a group of seven hundred and we would go by ship, which ship was known as 'Mapinduzi' to sail from Beira to Dar-es-Salaam.

I knew there was one Mujuru, but for me to later know him well, at that time I was an impressionable young man. He was also known as Rex Nhongo. We were told that the ship was over laden and I was near by as there was this discussion. I was a young Commander then, but there were senior Commanders who were present. He said to me, you make sure that some people disembark and tell them that there is food because we had gone for two days without food. So he used that as a ploy to reduce the numbers of the passengers on the ship. I was tasked with looking for people who were going to look for food. I knew that people were going to be left behind, so I looked for those who were hungry and asked them to disembark and go and collect the food - that is how people left the ship and the exact number was left. They went and they were taken away.

The strategy that was used by General Mujuru showed that he was intelligent - he did not want to upset people by being biased and choosing people to disembark and the other. He used a clever way to ensure that the correct numbers were on the ship - that was the nature of General Mujuru, he was a strategist. General Mujuru was approachable, whenever you would approach him with monetary problems he would dip into his pockets and give you whatever came out of his pockets.

After the training that we did in Tanzania and elsewhere, General Mujuru was responsible for the selection of those who were going overseas for advanced training - he was responsible for choosing me for that advanced training in Lebanon, Romania and other countries in various disciplines. He would also visit these countries to see the training that we were undertaking. He showed skills even on artillery which is sophisticated. With artillery we used to shell the enemy behind your own people's lines, so we were trained in such a way that we would eliminate the danger of shelling bombs onto your own troops.

I again, want to say that Brig. Mutinhiri was correct when he said he had done artillery and that artillery requires people that are intelligent. The type of knowledge, the type of experience that we had when we hear from what Honourables Mutinhiri and Mhandu said - we would say that he was in the fore-front of liberating this country. He was at the fore-front of the liberation of our country. Our country is where we are as a result of his contribution, he is the one who divided the provinces. We had provinces such as Tete, Gaza, Manica. We had leaders such as Air Marshall Shiri and Zimondi - those were the Provincial leaders.

I feel very much bereaved by the manner in which General Mujuru met his death. We do not expect that a man of his credentials would die in such a manner. Cutting a long story short, I would like to thank General Mujuru's contribution to the liberation of Zimbabwe. We are all seated here, happy and free to debate that which was not possible because a lot of people do not understand what it means to go to the front-line. People who were living in Mozambique and were at the front, would walk for 100 kms during the rainy season before getting to the border, as the trucks would not cross to the other country. Other people would be carrying your supplies - an arms cache of 20kgs plus your own gun and ammunition. You were looking at 40 to 50 kgs being carried by an individual; the rifle that I mentioned weighs about a 100 kgs. We would walk with a 100 kgs load for 400 km and there will be landmines. You had to clear those landmines first, if you stepped on the side, you would hit a landmine. General Mujuru was a pioneer in the removal of landmines to ensure a free passage by other cadres. On reaching Zimbabwe, you would walk for four to five days. If you were detected by the enemy, your enemy would be airborne and had all the other artillery weaponry. You had to cover a lot of distance so that you would not be disturbed. These were some of the strategies that General Mujuru used. General Mujuru came up with strategies for people to be able to breathe under water. You could use a reed, you would put the reed up and live under water. People do not know that a message to warn that an enemy was at a certain place could be sent in ten minutes over a distance of 30 km without a phone. A person would be sit on a mountain and raise a flag and then shout 1, 2, 3. In ten minutes, the message would have travelled 30 km. These were strategies that were devised by General Mujuru to enable us to go undetected by the enemy. I would like to say, General Mujuru, rest in peace. You were responsible for liberating our country and we are now happy. I send my condolences to the Mujuru family over the loss of a father. I thank you.

THE MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL AND PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS: Before moving for the adjournment of the debate, may I just make a few remarks with regards to the motion which is before the House.

Mr. Speaker, I did not know General Mujuru during the war but I hear what those hon. members said who had a privilege of knowing this late gallant son of Zimbabwe. What comes out of the contributions made by the members in this august House is that here is a man who treasured the building of institutions in this country. We know the late Mujuru firstly as the first black Commander of the Zimbabwe National Army. Prior to that, he was in ZIPRA where he built to an extent the institutional capacity of ZIPRA. From ZIPRA, he then went to join ZIPA, again building the institutional capacity of ZIPA. From ZIPA, he went to ZANLA, again building the institutional capacity of ZANLA. Lastly, to the Zimbabwe National Army. So here we have a person who is properly interested in contributing to building of institutions.

We know that the late General retired from the army, he did not overstay his welcome. Having retired from the army, having built up that institution, he then offered himself as a Member of Parliament for Chikomba, again for a single term, again, aiming at building that institution. Hon. members will agree with me that when you look at his life, you look at a person who is not consumed by personalities but a person who is consumed by building institutions. Mr. Speaker, if there is any difficulty, any problems we have in this country, it is about being consumed by personalities. As far as the late General is concerned, he denounced this myopic concept for the sole sake of building institutions.

I began to know the General at a personal level and I was enriched by that association. Let me tell you how this late General is different. I sat with him at the Serious Fraud Squad at Harare Central. We were pursuing the same issue and when the time to act came, I said to him, General, it is your turn, please do something. In his way he said, no. I was a bit upset because I thought he will be pushing through his weight. We had occasion again to be together at the Harare International Airport, again pursuing the same issue. When the time came when I thought he could act, I said General, please do something and he said, no, things will follow their own course. Here was a person who understood not only the Constitution of this country but also understood what we should accept as constitutionalism. He was patient but at the end of the day, he wanted the proper course to take its normal course.

If the General would have been somebody different, he would have pushed his weight at the Serious Fraud Offices when we met. He would have pushed his weight at the airport when we met but no, he was not that type of person. He respected the law and what a pleasure it was to be in his company when we were pursuing things of such mutual interest.

I want to share the comments made about his unfortunate passing on. We appreciate that the police are investigating his unfortunate death but let us be honest with ourselves. The people of this country are thirsty for information. Absence of information, proper information gives way to speculation. It is therefore vitally important that although the final investigations are still to be completed, that the persons charged with this investigation take the people of this country in their confidence. No matter how little information they are able to give us. Because if they do not make this information available, then speculation will run riot.

I also need to comment in regards to what we read in the papers about what happened at the scene of this unfortunate occurrence. What we read in the papers Mr. Chair, is a cause for concern.

THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER: Order Hon. Minister, when I am in this Chair, I am the Speaker and when I am sitting on that one, I am the Chair.

THE MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL AND PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (ADV. MATINENGA): I beg your pardon, I apologise. Mr. Speaker, we are concerned at what we read in the papers about the manner in which the scene of this unfortunate occurrence was managed or mismanaged. There are basic steps which are taken when one wants to preserve a scene of this nature but what we read in the papers falls far short of what should have been done. Maybe we are mistaken, may be the papers do not report properly but this is why I said earlier on that without investigating agencies taking us in their confidence, speculation will run riot.

It is not fair for the people of this country, but particularly it is not fair for the Mujuru family that there should be these speculative tendencies. I therefore urge these agencies to seriously consider whether it is not time that they move along with the people of Zimbabwe, that they make available whatever little information they have so that all of us are moving together and come to accept that this was an unfortunate occurrence. Short of that Mr. Speaker, there will be unfortunate speculation.

Mr. Speaker, I want to pay my condolences to the Mujuru family. They have gone through a very difficult period but again I want to say to them they can be proud that they were associated with a person like the late General and that this House and this country mourn with them. I thank you.

THE MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL AND PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday, 11th October, 2011.

On the motion of THE MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL AND PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS, the House adjourned at Eighteen Minutes to Five o'clock p.m. until Tuesday, 11th October, 2011.

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