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PARLIAMENT OF ZIMBABWE

Wednesday, 9th May, 2018

The Senate met at Half-past Two o’clock p. m.

PRAYERS

(THE HON. PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE in the Chair)

MOTION

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

          HON. SEN. TAWENGWA:  Mr. President, I move that Order of the Day, Number 1 be stood over until the rest of the Orders of the Day on today’s Order Paper have been disposed of.

          HON. SEN. B. SIBANDA:  I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

MOTION

         

DEVOLUTION AND CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT

Second order read: Adjourned debate on motion on cultural development as being key to economic development.

Question again proposed.

HON. SEN. MUSAKA:  Thank you Madam President.  I also wish to thank Hon. Sen. Khumalo and her seconder for the motion.  Madam President, this motion is an important motion.  My presentation will be based mainly on the historical evidence which is empirical.  Madam President, to get to the point to say culture in itself can become a hindrance if not promoted to a genius in you, is not quite true.  The genius in you is you. It does not matter whether you are educated or not.  I will give you an example, Leonardo da Vinci born illegitimate, never went to a formal school but is a genius in art, science and many other inventions.  In fact, not having gone to a formal school freed him from the limitations of being asked questions like have you passed ‘O’ level, have you passed this and that examination, he was brilliant.  The genius in you is created by God.  It does not matter whether you are white or black, it will just come out.  All you need is a language that is spoken by the majority to transport your creative genius idea into that language then everything else comes through becoming a dominant accepted notion for use by many people, the genius idea as creative force good for humanity.

Madam President, economically, it is true.  Take the United States of America, the melting pot theory for use of one language.  The United States of America has English, Dutch, Germans, Italians, Latinos, Africans, etc. but the uniting thing that made them so great is the use of the English language.  They just chose the English language that exported the creative ideas to many. It did not matter wherever you came from Sweden, German and, the genius in you is expressed then converts into English spoken by the majority and the nation prospered.  There are so many such languages Madam President where actually your genius can be transported to many and it does not matter whether you are Muzezuru, which I am or Ndebele, but what is important here is to choose a melting pot language such as Swahili, Zulu, Shona, Housa-Fulani, etc to transport your genius idea in a particular location. For example, in Zimbabwe, as properly articulated by Hon. Sen. Khumalo, the so called Shona is Chizezuru, it is true this is a melting pot language.  The majority of the words are Zezuru because it is easier for anybody to speak, get into Kwekwe, Harare or even Bulawayo.  You speak Shona and your genius in you if you are creative you simply transport it through that language to the majority.

Madam President, that is how the United States of America got where it is now including the Germans, Polish and the Latinos.  All of them when they are in the United States, they say it is a window of opportunities, they transport their ideas into English.  So, to argue that the genius in you can be suppressed because you have not been taught Ndebele, Chindau, I disagree.  There is no evidence to that effect that your genius has been suppressed. 

Madam President, I wish to state that I have big reservations with people who say we should continue with names such as Mashonaland West, Mashonaland East, Matebeleland South et cetera, let us go geographical, I mean our provinces should be named geographically such as northern, southern provinces etc. If you are in a region for Tonga people, just sink and swim like anyone else.  The genius in you again, will excel, just find a language that will export your ideas to the majority. 

Madam President, in music, poetry and in publishing, the French tried to resist English, if you publish in French you are dead, no one will read your book so you have to find a way to publish in English.  So, the genius in you is not being suppressed.  In France, the popular tourist places gain tourists when the authorities there stopped resisting using English, they then discussed that the majority of their clients are Americans who speak English.  Today if you go to Paris, they speak English better than the English people themselves, it becomes economically valuable.  So, it makes sense, they started speaking English but their businesses and everything is going on very well.  In science, the jets were invented by Americans.  It did not stop the genius of the French to actually invent a mirage jet and all other nations follow suit in their own languages and in their own geniuses.  So, it is not true that if Chimanyika is not spoken or taught, we are deviating from our culture, that is not true, I do not agree.  I am saying, let us go geographical regarding our provinces, it does not matter where you come from, go there, sink and swim, your genius will come out.  I thank you.

          *HON. SEN. MALULEKE:  Thank you Madam President for affording me this opportunity to add my voice on the motion by Hon. Sen. Khumalo.  It is important for us to follow our different cultures as a country.  In schools at times we receive teachers that come from other areas and they may have difficulty in understanding the culture and language of the area.  Madam President, I think the teachers should learn the language of that area.  We noticed that it is quite essential that children should learn the language of their area. 

I remember when I attended school in the late 50s, from Sub A to Standard Three, we studied in Shangani but when we got to Standard Four we had to learn Shona and I had problems.  I was intelligent.  One of my teachers who came from Zaka was surprised as to why I was not doing well in that language.  We need teachers to teach in their regions especially on languages and we encourage Government to look for teachers from all the different regions so that we do not have problems with learners taking that subject.  What I know is that we have 16 languages in the country including sign language and our language is number six in the Constitution. 

I believe that when you are expressing yourself in your mother tongue you can do it so clearly.  For instance, when we talk of the things which happen in our lives, we cannot express ourselves in another language.  We notice girls follow certain cultures but that can only be expressed fully in one’s language.  As far as our culture is concerned, we need to follow our own Zimbabwean culture.  When we are doing the Shangani programmes, we do our own things in that language.  It would also be nice at one time to hold debates in this House in Shangani so that we have people who will be interpreting in our language.  We are saying let us have teachers, preachers and experts in subjects from our regions so that we are not disadvantaged in expressing ourselves. 

+HON. SEN. NYATHI:  I would want to thank the mover of this motion, Hon. Sen. Khumalo.  Most of the things have been highlighted.  I would just want to add my voice on the issue of culture.  Madam President, culture is what defines us but why is it that we do not use that culture and do not practice it?  There are different languages that we have in Zimbabwe as a country and what we are supposed to do is that a certain culture should be identified by its activities.  When we got independence, we said we have our democracy and we want to do all the things.  This is the main reason why we got the independence.  We are 38 years as Zimbabwe and we have not been following our cultures so that we can tell whether there is something that is being done according to different cultures. 

There are so many things that were being done when we were growing up and some of our elders were doing it but as children we do not know those things.  We normally blame our youngsters and say children of our days have problems but we should finger point that to us as parents. When we say that children have problems, where did the problem originate from?  As parents, we are the ones who are supposed to train our children on how they should behave.  This English culture that we are following Madam President, they say that charity begins at home, therefore when you teach your child grounded rules, you realise that even when they visit other people, they will follow what they have been taught.  As elders, we are no longer following our culture.  One of the Hon. Members highlighted that. 

In Zimbabwe, we have different cultures and in our Constitution we have 16 languages but those languages are not being followed, which is something that has been highlighted by other Hon. Members.  There are so many things that we are supposed to do as a country.  When we were born, some of these things were being practiced but I do not know how we lost that.  You realise that different cultures will be stating specifically how members of that culture are supposed to behave and most of our children do not know that.  We are now following the English culture and abandoning our own “ubuntu” culture.  For example, when a child is misbehaving, it is not the child who is wrong but as a parent you are the one who is at fault.  You would have failed to teach your child. You teach or groom your child when they are still young, maybe at the age of three.  For example, you teach them a practice that when they are being given something by an elderly person, you receive them with a sign of respect.  When you teach them when they are still at a tender age, you realise they will not forgo those practices. 

On things that we do as elderly people, you will realise that our children copy what we do.  As a mother, if I do not teach my children at home, whether they meet Hon. Sen. Chifamba or any other elderly person, if they do not respect me at home they will not respect them.  It is a sign that as a mother I would have failed to teach them.  As elders, we are now complaining that children do not follow our culture but the blame is on us.  Even as elderly people we have failed to follow the culture. 

When we were still in primary school, we were taught that culture is an important thing.  For example, our chiefs are elderly people who are supposed to be respected.  A chief is not elected but it is a culture that they are appointed.  When you get into a community and you ask them where is their chief, they will just look at you, showing signs that they do not know.  This happened when I asked one of the teachers who comes from Chegutu and teaches in Hwange.  I asked her that since you are saying you come from Chegutu, who is your Member of Parliament and she said she did not know but this is a teacher of our children.   I asked about the chief as well and she also said she did not know, so what kind of a teacher is she? 

          During our days we used to be taught and we would be asked the names of all the chiefs in Zimbabwe and we would name all the chiefs who were there for example, Chief Ngorima, Chief Khanyisa and Chief Dingani but children of nowadays do not know that.  It is us as elderly people who are supposed to be blamed.  What kind of democracy did we get that is not teaching our children their culture?  We should be asking ourselves especially as Senate that what are we doing to promote our culture? We should lead by example as elderly person, show respect to each other so that the kids can copy what we are doing.  Children will not do something that they have not seen being practiced.  

          Madam President, another thing that I want to add my voice on is to do with the employment of different people especially in provinces and other places.  We have different children who have gone to school throughout the country and most of them are facing difficulties.  As a country we are facing challenges but how difficult it is when we are saying that there is a vacancy somewhere and you are being told that there is a bus that came with different people who were coming to be hired in that place and nothing was advertised concerning that job vacancy.  When those people are employed, you will realise that elderly people within that community do not know how to communicate in English, for example in schools and hospitals, a grandmother will get to a hospital seeking medical attention and the nursing sister will use Shona language, saying that she did not understood what the grandmother was saying.

          Why as a Government are we not employing people from the same community who speak the community language?  I come from Hwange and most of our children are complaining that most of the people who are being employed at Hwange are coming from Harare.  As Members of the community in Hwange we have realised that at different companies our children will be standing in long queues seeking employment yet at the end of the day, they will not be employed but children who would have come from different provinces, for example in Mashonaland Province. 

          Many a times we say that our children are not educated and

this thing is linked to tribalism but it has nothing to do with that, we are all Zimbabweans.  All the children who would have attained their education are supposed to get employment in Zimbabwe but what is being done is very wrong.  Many of our children are at home, unemployed.  It is believed that they do not know how to work, for example if someone uses Shona language to express, themselves, I do not understand what you are saying.  Madam President I am not Ndebele, I am Nambya but because there is no language that is being spoken in this august House, we use Ndebele or Shona.  I learnt Ndebele, I can speak Shona, though I was not we use Ndebele or Shona.  I learnt Ndebele, I can talk Shona though I was not taught it at home and English I learnt it from school.  I am able to speak all the languages.

          We went to a Safari Lodge for a Public Hearing, one of the Hon. Members spoke to one of the employees using English language and the employee showed ignorance to show that she did not understand.  When I asked her she said I did not get what she said, so I confronted her as to what language she spoke.   We should emphasis that as much as you cannot talk the community language, at least put an effort to learn that language that is being spoken in that community.  We should treat each other fairly and not say from this area we cannot employ people because they are not educated.  If they are educated, let us avoid situations whereby we bus in people from a different province to another province for employment.  If it is the Chiefs who are doing that in their community and if again it is caused by the situation in our country, it should be taken into consideration that when job vacancies are advertised, we should consider candidates from all the provinces for example 50 should come from other provinces and the other 50 from that very community for we are all Zimbabweans in order to avoid situations where we stay with children who have gone to school and yet at the end of the day are not employed.

          The issue of saying someone does not understand a certain language; I do not believe that as Zimbabweans we can say we do not understand the language that is being spoken by someone else.  When you insult that person, you will realise that that person will respond, if you are talking about   something that is constructive, the person will tell you that they do not understand and at the end of the day it would appear as if you are provoking that person.  With these few words, I thank you.

          HON. SEN. KHUMALO: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. NYATHI: I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

REPORT OF THE 41ST PLENARY ASSEMBLY OF THE SADC PARLIAMENTARY FORUM

          Third Order Read: Adjourned debate on the report of the 41st Plenary Assembly of the SADC Parliamentary Forum, held in Mahe, Seychelles, from 4th to 15th July, 2017.

          Question again proposed.

          HON. SEN. TAWENGWA: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI: I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

ICT LITERACY PROGRAMME

 

Fourth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the need to

address the ICT divide between rural, urban, young and old in the country.

          Question again proposed.

          HON. SEN. MAVHUNGA: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI: I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF THE ELDERLY

          Fifth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the rights of the elderly as prescribed by Section 82 of the Constitution.

          Question again proposed.

          HON. SEN. TAWENGWA: I move that debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI: I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

PROVISION OF ALTERNATIVE RESETTLEMENT AREAS

Sixth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the call on the Executive to provide alternative resettlement areas for communities from Zvehamba, Mahatshe and Matankeni.

          Question again proposed.

          *HON. SEN. MACHINGAIFA: Thank you Madam President for giving me this opportunity to make my contribution.  I want to add my voice on the motion which was moved by Hon. Sen. Mlotshwa.  This is a very important motion Madam President and I know it has a bearing on most of us who are in this august House.  It is not a small issue.  I remember when I was growing up; I used to hear of the areas which were called the Tribal Trust Lands (TTL) or the reserved areas (maruzevha).  They are now called communal lands.  In this land you are not given title deeds because you do not own that land.

          Whenever there is any development to be done, you are asked to be moved out and you are moved to a place where you want.  So, it will be a promise to the people.  When people were promised like that, it should be followed so that people would be settled properly so that people would start doing business. For example, in 1955 to 1956 we were settled at a place called Guva along Kariba in Zambezi valley. That is where our ancestors graves are. We were alerted that the river will flood and so we are removing you from this area and we are taking you to an area called Badze in Guruve which was ruled by Chief Nematombo. People were vacated to Badze and so, the chiefs had engaged each other with the new Government and the promise was there and it was kept in the Government offices.

          We were placed under certain chiefs when he was also a chief. In 1964 when they had kept their promise, they said that they had now found a place for Nyamhunga to settle. We left Badze and that is when we were settled at Benge in Sengwe and it is a promise which was kept. So, Hon. Sen. Mlotshwa, it is a cry by her family that was promised that we are vacating you from this place because there is a State thing which needs to take place. The leaders should keep that promise so that these people are settled well. 

          We should look at this issue seriously because it is very important. At one time, it can approach anyone because it is like death. The areas where we stay, gold and diamonds can be found. So, if they say we want to resettle you so that they mine diamond to help the country, that should be done. Those people were just left like that Madam President. That is how I am seeing this issue. I think Hon. Sen. Mlotshwa should bring the issue here so that we debate on it because it is a very pertinent issue. Thank you Madam President for listening to me.

          HON. SEN. TAWENGWA: Madam President, I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI: I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

MOTION

PROTECTION OF CONSUMERS FROM UNSCRUPULOUS BUSINESS PEOPLE

          Seventh Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on protection of consumers from corruption.

Question again proposed.

          HON. SEN. MAWIRE: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI: I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

MOTION

REPORT OF THE DELEGATION TO THE WORLD PARLIAMENTARY FORUM ON SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT

          Eighth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the report of the delegation to the World Parliamentary Forum on Sustainable Development.

          Question again proposed.

          HON. SEN. TAWENGWA: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI: I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

MOTION

FIRST REPORT OF THE THEMATIC COMMITTEE ON INDIGENISATION AND EMPOWERMENT ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE NON-ESTABLISHMENT OF THE COMMUNITY SHARE OWNERSHIP TRUSTS

          Nineth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the First Report of the Thematic Committee on Indigenisation and Empowerment on the Circumstances Surrounding the Non-Establishment of Community Share Ownership Trusts in Mudzi and Mutoko Districts.

          Question again proposed.

          HON. SEN. TAWENGWA: Madam President, I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI: I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

MOTION

FIRST REPORT OF THE THEMATIC COMMITTEE ON SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS ON SDG NO. 3

          Tenth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the First Report of the Thematic Committee on Sustainable Development Goals on SDG No. 3.

          Question again proposed.

          HON. SEN. TAWENGWA: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI:  I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

MOTION

FIRST REPORT OF THE THEMATIC COMMITTEE ON PEACE AND SECURITY ON THE PREPAREDNESS OF THE GRAIN MARKETING BOARD TO HANDLE THE 2016/2017

CROP DELIVERIES AND THE SUCCESS OF THE COMMAND AGRICULTURE PROGRAMME

          Eleventh Oder read: Adjourned debate on motion on the First Report of the Thematic Committee on Peace and Security on the preparedness of the Grain Marketing Board to handle the 2016/2017 crop deliveries and the success of the Command Agriculture Programme.

          Question again proposed.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI I move that the debate do now adjourn.

          HON. SEN. TAWENGWA:  I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

          Debate to resume: Thursday, 10th May, 2018.

          On the motion of HON. SEN. TAWENGWA, seconded by HON. SEN. MUMVURI, the Senate adjourned at Twenty-Four Minutes past Three o’clock p.m. 

 

 

 

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