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SENATE HANSARD - 18 JULY 2012 VOL. 21 NO. 41


Wednesday, 18th July, 2012.

The Senate met at Half-past Two O'clock p.m.



(MADAM PRESIDENT in the Chair)



MADAM PRESIDENT: I have to inform the Senate that I have received the Electoral Amendment Bill [H.B. 3, 2011] from the House of Assembly.


MADAM PRESIDENT: May I remind hon. senators to switch off your cell phones before commencement of business. Thank you.



THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR STATE SECURITY IN THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE: I move that Orders of the Day, Numbers 1 to 19 be stood over until the rest of the Orders of the Day, have been disposed of.

Motion put and agreed to.

Cell phone rings.

MADAM PRESIDENT: Ko inga tambokumbirana zvakanaka paye . Let us put our cell phones on silent please.



Twentieth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the Report of the Delegation to the Second Conference of Women Parliamentarians in Africa and the Arab World.

Question again proposed.

*SENATOR MANYERUKE: I rise to thank Senator Chabuka on the report which was seconded by Senator Mandaba. I would want to thank those who undertook such an important visit, as they were led by you hon. President of the Senate. May I extent my personal gratitude to you Madam President, for raising the status of women in our country, which shows that as African women, we are now fully empowered, able and competent women. I would want to thank you for the journey you undertook on our behalf. I recall that Africa used to be referred to by the whites as a dark continent. At present, it is now a continent that hosts such important conferences. I would want to thank you Madam President, and your delegation where you represented us as the people of Zimbabwe. I hope that the forthcoming third conference will result in the dissemination of knowledge throughout the world since as women, we are now recognized as being capable than before. With these few words, I would like to thank you Madam President.

SENATOR SIBANDA: Thank you Madam President. I would also want to add my voice on this motion moved by Senator Chabuka on the visit that was done to the Women's Conference. I believe that women have come to a point whereby they realise that they are people who are capable of doing anything that is good in this world because in the past, it was only believed that men were superior and they were concentrating on what they could do for women but now, what is happening is women are now at certain places where they can afford to do those things, but you find some of the professions are not allowed, such as driving cars. They are not allowed to do that. But as of now women are now independent. We also believe, in the conference that was attended, that when we are coming to the third round, women will have advanced greatly.

My contribution in this is that you will notice that in this past week, Nkosazana Dhlamini Zuma of South Africa was elevated to a very high post as a woman leader so that she leads Africa. What I am now looking forward to is that women will continue rising and we also believe that as long as we are rising, we will come to an extent whereby women will ascend to the Presidency because we know that when women are in leadership, they concentrate on development. As women, we should also support each other because as the adage says; if you educate a woman, you educate the whole nation and our children will also rise because you also find that women will be concentrating on development. Let me point out and say as women, we are privileged in that in this Senate, we are led by a woman and it only shows that we are really advancing and we are also looking to the development of the future . Madam President, I wish you the best in your future. I wish that we could all rise to high positions so that we lead this world, not only the country because I know that if women are in leadership, wars will be a thing of the past. I thank you.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Thursday, 19th July, 2012.



Twenty First Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the alleged existence of ghost workers on the civil service payroll.

Question again proposed.

*SENATOR KATYAMAYENZA: Thank you Madam President. I thank you for giving me time to make my contributions on the so called ghost workers, a motion raised by Senator Makore. Senator Makore informed this Senate that he had made a survey so that he could see whether there are any ghost workers in the civil service and it also shows me that in his survey, he saw people going to the banks and signing and collecting money, receiving salaries they have not worked for. The question behind all this is what would you do if you were to hear of these ghost workers? My opinion is his survey is so good. What we now need is that the Public Service Commission should come out with names, so that we will see who these people are, who are only earning without working.

He also informed this august Senate that the Treasury was running short of funds and these funds could be recouped from these ghost workers and the money be used for development. Whenever there is anything happening, as Members of Parliament, we should be told so that we know what is going on. Individuals should not just be told in private but should be told in public. Therefore in our august Senate, we have Chiefs and if we say we have ghosts, we need to go and appease our spirits so that these ghost workers could be a thing of the past.

Madam President, I am very much pained because when you are talking of ghost workers, yet we have an individual who is not working, they collect their money and what we need, wherever this is happening, we have people just receiving salaries yet they are not working. We know that these people are there. Even in this Senate it means we are also ghost workers because after debating in this House, we are not going back to our constituencies and electorate and informing them of what is happening in this august Senate, giving them feedback on what they would have sent us to do.

SENATOR MAKORE: Thank you Madam President. In winding up this debate, I convey my thanks to the wonderful contributors of this great motion, that is Senator Hlalo. Senator Mlotshwa, Senator Mohadi, Senator Komichi, Senator Katyamaenza, Senator Kabayanjiri, Senator Mandava, Senator S. Ncube, Senator Mutingwende and Senator Femai.

Madam President, I was particularly impressed that Senators of this august House agreed with me that it is quite noble that the issue of ghost workers should be scratched from the civil service payroll. Thanks to the complimentary motion raised by Senator Chief Musarurwa, it immediately called for an increase of civil service salaries to maintain the quality of education, with particular reference to the teaching profession. Madam President, Senators found the element of ghost workers a thorn in the flesh, as presented by Senator Komichi, that it is inefficiency, administratively, where dead people continue to earn, which is a criminal activity or a certain hidden agenda which must not be perpetuated by this Inclusive Government. Justice should prevail and an audit statement should be presented to avoid bleeding the economy.

Madam President, there is nowhere in the world where people earn while seated at home. I agree with Senator Mtingwende that people should be employed for a purpose. This is meant to achieve productive capacity expected. Proper records should be reconstructed to shape our civil service and remove the ghost worker system which erodes our economy. The public service should avail to the chamber, an actual audit statement by Ernst and Young India, together with a comment from Public Service Commission that qualifies turning down of the independent audit statement in order to put this issue to finality as presented by our debaters on this motion. We had a running point for which all of us agreed on principle that those who are referred to as ghost workers should forthwith be cleaned from our civil service record. Of particular reference is a contribution by Senator Mandaba, Senator Hlalo, Senator Mlotshwa and Senator Ncube. I therefore move that this august Senate adopts this motion accordingly.

Motion put and agreed to.



Twenty Second Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the First Report of the Thematic Committee on Gender and Development on the Access to Clean Water in Masvingo and Bulawayo.

Question again proposed.

SENATOR MANDABA: I would like to thank the Committee that went out to Masvingo and Bulawayo and the report that was presented in the august Senate by Senator Sibanda. Water is an essential element in our lives and in the lives of all living organisms. I wish the committee would have been given enough resources, not only to look into the clean water situation but water in general. Especially in the rural areas where we are, where there is scarcity of water in a lot of areas, even for drinking purposes, let alone for agricultural purposes and for the use of our animals, be they cattle or wild animals.

I want to thank Senator Sibanda and ask that her Committee pursue, the issue of water in Zimbabwe and go round more than just going to Bulawayo and Harare. I would like to say, we also thank you for we have heard that the Zambezi Water Project has now got some monies and we hope that is going to assist in the Bulawayo water shortages. I thank you Madam President.

+SENATOR S. NCUBE: Thank you Madam President for being given this time so that I can make my contribution. I thank this Committee which moved in all the provinces looking at the water problems in those provinces and I know they did see something and what could be done as a remedy. As other contributors, we contribute because water is essential.

People should be drinking clean water. I have also gone to other places and looking at place where dams were situated, I find that in some provinces, there is water in those areas but the pipes which were used were old pipes or dirty pipes and as a result they may end up infecting these people with diseases, especially water bone diseases and these include cholera and malaria.

Most of the water which we are drinking in our areas, you find that some of these pipes have rust and the water is dirty. When the water is moving from the water source to the area where it is going to be used, you find that the water is so bad that you may not feel like drinking that water. Especially, when you look at us people who live in the cities, when we are drinking water from the tapes, you find that the water is clean and yet maybe it is not.

On the contrary, you find that those people from the rural areas who will be drinking water from the wells and boreholes maybe drinking cleaner water than us people in towns because of the way it is purified and the way it is piped. The pipes in which these waters are passing through are now full of rust, have algae and have lead poisoning. As a result, when the water is getting to the tapes, the water will not be able to be cleaned up because it will be carrying all that contamination and therefore that infects the people. You find that there is a lot of seepage in these pipes because they are broken. Therefore I urge that this Committee should go through these other provinces they did not pass through so that when we are talking we also talk the same language on the conditions of the water so that the people of Zimbabwe drink clean water.

When people are independent, they should be doing things of their own. They should have started laying their own pipes for the water. I say this because we inherited this from the Smith regime. All these pipes were done during that time and therefore we are urging the government that from time to time, funds allowing, they should be refurbishing these pipes so that the pipes are removed so that people do not get contamination from the drainage system of the waters. People should be drinking clean water.

With those few words, I would like to say thank you very much to the Committee which went round the country looking at issues of the dirty water so that people have good water. I may also want to point out that people are now drinking bottled water but this is no guarantee for clean water because some of these bottled waters are fake. Therefore, we need to have clean water which is good for human consumption. I thank you.

SENATOR MAKORE: I want to thank the mover of this motion. In our observation, perhaps we are facing a development so much threatening because of the increasing population in all the cities, that is in all the urban cities and perhaps even in the rural areas. The concern we have is that we must be capable of supplying clean water to the people based on adequacy, cleanliness, sustainability and affordability.

What we noticed in terms of the development of water in Masvingo is that the plant which was at Shagashe River, intended to supply only about 12 megalitres of water, was then moved to Mutirikwi, but then it is because of the increase in population. Firstly, they were capable of supplying water to fewer people who existed there by that time, but as we moved, it showed definitely that the production of clean water could no longer cater for an increasing population. We saw that the pipe or that plant was constructed in 1940 and further revived in 1964 and as we went to 2005, the population had perhaps grown bigger to the extent that they could not afford.

Right now we saw that the plant can afford to produce as much as 30 mega liters and those 30 mega liters are not sufficient for the consumption desirable in that City of Masvingo and I am taking this as an example. Thereafter, we saw exactly that during the night, they ration water because of lower consumption, but clean water is available. The question that I am posing to this Senate is that the clean water is intended perhaps to avoid such other diseases as typhoid and cholera. We have seen again signs developing in Highfields, that is of typhoid and now it is already in Chitungwiza and cholera, as I am speaking, is in Chiredzi. This call is for us to re-focus as Government that the development of clean water is very essential.

Madam President, as I am speaking right now, there is raw sewage water which is being spilled in a number of other rivers which really perhaps flows to many catchment areas of water systems. In Chitungwiza, we have the Nyatsime river, the raw of that sewage water is poured inside there and again the waste that is produced by the plant which is perhaps producing oil in Chitungwiza are throwing chemicals in that particular river. Unfortunately, even animals which should enjoy that water as it passes to or through that main catchment can no longer drink that water, it becomes a disaster. We therefore, should ensure that we avoid deliberate throwing or putting of waste, or our sewage water into the river.

Again in Shegashe River they are saying a lot of such sewage water are is being spilled in that one. I am only calling in this august Senate before this very important motion is closed that we must focus our attention towards the development of water, again minding the continuous development or continuous increase in population because in various areas, people can go for a week without clean water or without just water and each of the households are now digging wells at their yards. Meaning to say water is vastly short and perhaps the call is that a bigger and reasonable budget be allocated so that the development of water matches the consistent increase in population. I thank you Madam President.

SENATOR SIBANDA: Thank you Madam President for giving me this chance. I stand up to thank all those who participated in this motion of gender and development. I also want to thank the hon. seconder who seconded this motion, Senator Jacobs, Senator Mtingwende, Senator Katyamaenza and the whole of the committee that looked at this issue of water in the two towns. I also want to thank Senator Hungwe, who contributed to this motion. When I looked in the Hansard, I realised that there is also Senator Hove who contributed, I am not sure if he is around but he is mentioned in the Hansard as one of those who contributed, I also want to thank him if he is around.

Water is important, Madam President, so we realise as a Committee that we should move around. We went to Norton and we also went to Chitungwiza, we could have gone to other provinces as mentioned by Senator Mandaba. I also want to thank Hon. Senator Ncube and Senator Makore whom we also went with. We had a plan of visiting the rural areas, but because as the Senate we are not given enough money to move around, we could not do so. We have requested this for a long time, it was in our plans to visit the rural areas but because of the resources, Madam President we did not manage to do that. We want this issue to be looked at thoroughly because as Thematic Committees, we do not move around a lot as compared to the lower House. We are requesting that enough resources be given to important Committees that have to do with life like health issues.

Thank you Madam President for this motion that has been supported by a lot of people in this Senate. Because water is important, I am pleading with people to adopt this motion so that we move forward.

I seek leave of this House to withdraw this motion from the Order Paper.

Motion, With leave; withdrawn.



Twenty Third Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the First Report of the Thematic Committee on Indigenisation and empowerment on the status of implementation of the Indigenisation and empowerment policy.

Question again proposed.

SENATOR HLALO: Thank you Madam President, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Members of this Committee and the general membership of the august Senate who were here when I presented the report. I think the report was so clear and concise that everyone was satisfied with it. It did not get any one to debate so I would like to thank members who understood on the report that it raised no objections. So I would like to take this opportunity to seek leave of the House to withdraw the motion. I thank you Madam President.

Motion, With leave; withdrawn.

MADAM PRESIDENT: I have to advise all senators that you are to remain seated after the Senate has adjourned. I understand the senators need to deliberate on some issues. So after the Senate has adjourned, you are advised to please remain seated. Thank you.



Twenty Fourth Order read: Adjourned debate on the motion on the African Charter on Democracy, Elections and Governance.

Question again proposed.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS: Madam President, I move that debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday, 19th July, 2012.

Twenty Fifth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the First Report of the Thematic Committee on Millennium Development Goals on the Provision of Education in Resettled Areas.

Question again proposed.

SENATOR MUMVURI: Thank you Madam President, I rise to make my contributions to this debate as I was one of the members who were in this Committee. The target for goal number 2 of the Millennium Development goals was to ensure that by the year 2015 all children of Zimbabwe of school going age will be able to complete a full programme of primary education. Your Committee Madam President, set out to asesss progress which was made towards attainment of the said goal number two of the Millennium Development Goals. As we speak Madam President, it is only three years before 2015, which is the dead line of meeting targets of all the eight Millennium Development Goals. Your Committee, having got an insight into the state of satellite schools in the resettlement areas, an appreciation into the kind of problems which were being encountered in those schools. The Committee recommended some actions for the country to realise the millennium development goal number two by 2015. Therefore, in my humble opinion Madam President, despite the efforts which had been made by the Inclusive Government, I am afraid that the targets are likely to be missed either in total or in part there of. I am therefore of the opinion and view that a sound Primary education is a key foundation to the future of this country. It is therefore, imperative Madam President, for the Inclusive Government to take full responsibility in terms of providing the necessary resources in order to achieve this goal. Here are some of my suggestions. First, the Government has to seriously consider reintroducing free and compulsory education at primary level or up to the completion of grade seven for this goal to be attained. Secondly, Mr. President, to complement that endeavour, the Government should pay a decent living salary to its teachers. In line with this, the ministry must scrap the incentives given to the teachers but it should instead consider introducing hardship allowances for those teachers in the rural areas like the resettled areas. The current set up of monetary incentives are harmful, iniquitous and divisive to say the least. Those honourable members who have spoken before me have explained clearly how teachers in these resettled areas were getting small monthly incentives of as low as $1.00 each per month, while their counterparts in the urban areas get amounts which sometimes are equal to their salaries per month.

Given such a scenario and given such a choice who would want to continue teaching in the rural areas where they are getting pittance incentives as compared to those who teach in the urban areas. As a result, we would experience an abated rural to urban migration of all qualified staff. Your committee also observed with concern that people's absenteeism was by and large being condoned by some parents themselves. We noticed that in two or three areas. It is unfortunate that these parents see no value in educating their children possibly due to their poor educational background. As a result we are urging the responsible ministry to carryout continuous adult education. The dropouts and early marriages are very common in such communities of the resettled areas. There should be vibrant adult education programmes in such areas as well as conducting outreach educational programmes aimed at educating the communities about the children's rights to go to school and the value of education.

In conclusion, Mr. President, I strongly feel that while it is Government's responsibility to provide educational services to its nation, the local community should be seen to be playing their role to complement Government efforts. It was noted that most of the resettled families are poor and they fail to pay for the education of their children, and yet these families are an empowered lot through the land reform programme. Ideally, there should be a difference in their standards of living with those in the rural areas whom they left in the arid and dry land. We expect that fewer people in the resettled areas should be on the basic educational assistance module list than in the rural areas because these people are empowered and they have got something to fall back on and make some income.

The resettled families should be assisted by Government through the timely provision of agricultural inputs and cash sales of agricultural products for the farmers to be viable. Once they get enough from their pieces of land, the resettled families are expected to pay for the education of their children, thus contributing to the attainment of the set goal number two of the millennium development goals. In any case Mr. President, the MDGs are interlinked to each other. Here we are talking of goal number two only, but it is also linked to the other seven goals. It cannot be achieved in isolation which means failure to meet one of the goals can affect the achievement or the failure of the other.

SENATOR KOMICHI: I would like to thank the President for giving me this opportunity to contribute towards this motion and particularly to take this time to thank the Committee on MDGs. They touched on a very vital component of our society, which is education. Goal number two is a crucial goal because it sets the motion into our own lives, it sets the motion into the society and it also sets the motion into the development of the country economically and everything else. So it is a vital component. It is also important to make the House know that Africa in particular has taken great interest on issues of MDGs.

I would like to celebrate and say in the entire of Africa, we are number two or number one in terms of having a structured committee in Parliament. It is only the Zimbabwean Government and the Nigerian Governments that have managed to put official committees on MDGs in the entire of Africa. All other African countries are still taking them as just caucus meetings; they are not quite yet reformed such way that we have done ourselves. So I will take this opportunity to congratulate our own Government, our own Parliament and our own Committee for being serious on these matters of MDGs.

I also want to take this opportunity to say that African Parliamentarians managed to meet in Nigeria sometime and formed what is called African Parliamentarians Network on MDGs. There is now a living Committee which looks on the MDGs in Africa as a whole and I happen to be its Vice Chairperson representing the Southern Africa. The Chairperson of this Committee is found in Nigeria. So I have got great interest in this particular subject because we are aware that Zimbabwe is rated number two in terms of levels of literacy in Africa. I think we are second to Tunisia -[AN HON. SENATOR: Number 1]- thanks for the correction, we are number 1. But what I am saying is that I think the statistics omit the problems being found in resettled areas. Our children are not going to school, there are no schools in those areas. The Government must then focus if we are to maintain to be true to ourselves as number 1. If we are honest with ourselves, we have got a lot of children that are now living in very poor education standards in certain areas. We therefore urge the Government to put more resources in those areas to make sure that we build schools there. We also need to pay our teachers so that there is enough security and the infrastructure should be there so that at least we can maintain our number 1 status in Africa as a serious Government which needs its own people to go to school.

We also need to make sure that when we talk about education, we must then focus this particular agenda because as the first speaker said, 2015 is around the corner. We must now start to look at what we can do after 2015, people must start to think about that because we do not want to say 2015 comes, then we drop everything that we are doing in as far as education is concerned. What we must also urge our Government is that when we talk about MDGs - the MDGs in Zimbabwe are a bit hidden. The Committee is doing its work, but the Executive does not take particular interest to really anchor them so that everyone knows about it. The other governments that are in Africa, for example Ethiopia, the Minister of Economic Planning and Finance makes sure that when he is making his budget or whenever he is trying to make its economic plan; he must make it clear that every particular programme of the Government must pronounce MDGs. Then the Ministry of Education will be forced to make sure that in his reports and the way he runs the Ministry, MDGs are made very clear. All Ministries that have got something to do with the MDGs are forced by the Government and the Government takes interest in that; that is the Cabinet.

I have learnt that in Nigeria, there is a particular budget that is given to a special commissioner who works with the President to supervise MDGs, he or she works with the Committee on MDGs and they go out there to every particular ministry, pushing and demanding that MDGs be executed. It is also my proposal that our own Government and our own Cabinet should take particular interest such that the MDGs Committee should be given the limelight, should be given enough resources and power to make sure that the MDGs are all achieved. If the MDGs are achieved, definitely, it will deal with the emergency needs of our people. As you can see, some of the MDGs' goals are creation of jobs and other things that actually touch on women and children. If the Government does not take that matter seriously, then we will have a problem. I would like to urge the Government to take this particular advice from us that it should work with the MDGs Committee to make sure that we achieve all the MDGs by 2015.

*SENATOR MTINGWENDE: Thank you Mr. President for affording me this opportunity to make my contribution on the report by the Millennium Development Goals Committee. I thank the leadership of this Committee and those who produced this report.

Mr. President, when we look at the type of education in resettlement areas, a very gloomy picture is painted. Let me start by debating on the physical buildings of these schools. I do not have any idea on how the Ministry of Education recruits its human resources. If it was according to the selection, I will vouch and say no teacher would want to be placed at a resettlement school. What this means is as Government, we are seen as an uncaring Government, a Government which does not care about the education of its populace.

Mr. President, when we look at the functions held by these schools, you find that in most cases, there are very few occasions or parties which are held at these resettlement schools. The reason being that some of these schools are in remote areas, in such areas that the roads or traffic system is so poor, they are not accessible because of the poor roads. Therefore I urge the Government to improve these roads, so that it will be easier even for the education officials who supervise the teachers in these areas regularly to teach these places. Mr. President, because of the poor roads, the supervision is poor because when you look at the time that the teachers in these resettlement areas knock off, you find that these teachers knock off at a time they want, because there is nobody to supervise them. You find that they spend more time doing their own personal businesses rather than teaching children.

Mr. President, I also noticed that the way children are punished by their teachers. This only shows that there is very little supervision of these teachers and they know they can hit these children and they have nowhere to report or there is no one who will come and inspect how they are doing business.

I said I will talk about the structures of these schools. You will find that these schools are so poor. You find that when you compare these resettlement schools with the schools in urban areas or in rural areas, the difference is so great. We have a lot of work to do as a Government in these resettlement areas in as far as construction of schools is concerned.

My last contribution Mr. President, I would like to focus my attention on the situation of teachers in these resettlement areas. Yes, we may say they are lazy, they do not observe time, they ill-treat children and absenteeism is rife, but when we want to look at the ways these teachers access these institutions and again, even when you look at the teachers' accommodation, it is quite pathetic for a dwelling at a professional institution. I will not talk about the water which they drink, they are living in miserable conditions and leading a miserable life simply because they were called to the teaching profession, and they have to stay there. My plea with the Government is that, these teachers should have equal treatment with other teachers in urban areas so that they have a decent accommodation, clean water, good food and live in a conducive atmosphere so that they feel that they are at work.

Let me also encourage that the schools which are in these resettlement areas should not be segregated. You will find that we have temporary teachers who are in those areas because qualified teachers shun them. This is a disadvantage to the children who are taught by these unqualified and temporary teachers. In these areas where people are resettled, the well to do people living in these areas do not enroll their children at these schools, preferring to take them to better schools and institutions. This only shows that these schools are looked down upon and are backward. Let us be genuine about the improvement of life in these resettlement areas so that there is improvement and development in the education sector.

SENATOR CHITAKA: Thank you Mr. President for finally giving me the opportunity to wind up…

THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Can you please switch on your microphone?

SENATOR CHITAKA: I would like to thank all senators who contributed to the debate. I noted that the debate was very lively; almost every senator of this august Senate did debate. I will not attempt to list the contributions of the various senators, lest I leave out one very crucial senator. I would like to say thank you to all the senators who contributed.

The debate was motivated by a common desire for a better education for all in our beautiful country Zimbabwe. The debate had no hint of any political or sectarian connotations. All the contributions were positive and very supportive. I now therefore urge the Minister of Education to listen very carefully to what the senators said in the debate. I also urge the same ministry to take on board the very constructive recommendations listed in our report. I will go further and urge hon. Senators in this august Senate not to stop the work and continue to lobby in your various constituencies for a decent education for all those people who are living in these marginalised areas. I now seek leave of the Senate to withdraw this motion from the order paper.

Motion, With leave; withdrawn.



Twenty Sixth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the First Report of the Thematic Committee on HIV and AIDS on the Anti-Retroviral Therapy Roll Out Programme.

Question again proposed

SENATOR KHUMALO: Thank you Mr. President. I wish to thank all the senators who contributed to the debate on the Report of the Thematic Committee on HIV and AIDS. I move that the Report be adopted. I also seek leave from the Senate for the withdrawal of the Report from the Order Paper.

THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Is it withdrawal or adoption.

SENATOR KHUMALO: For both adoption and withdrawal. Motion put and agreed to.



Twenty Seventh Order read: Adjourned debate on the motion that the Public Order and Security Amendment Bill, be restored on the Order Paper.

Question again proposed.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS: I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday, 19th July, 2012.

On the motion of THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS, the Senate adjourned at Ten Minutes to Four O'clock p.m.

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