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SENATE HANSARD - 25 MARCH 2009 VOL. 18 NO. 15

PARLIAMENT OF ZIMBABWE

Wednesday, 25th March, 2009

The Senate met at a Half-past Two O'clock p.m.

 

PRAYERS

(MADAM PRESIDENT in the Chair)

ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MADAM PRESIDENT

BREAKFAST MEETING FOR FEMALE PARLIAMENTARIANS

MADAM PRESIDENT: I have to inform hon. senators that all women Parliamentarians are invited to a breakfast meeting organized by the Zimbabwe Women Parliamentary Caucus and the women Coalition of Zimbabwe at the Harare Holiday Inn tomorrow, Thursday, 26th March 2009 starting from seven o'clock a.m. to eight o'clock a.m. The bus ferrying members to Holiday Inn will leave the Rainbow Towers at 6.30 a.m.

SWITCHING OFF OF CELL PHONES

MADAM PRESIDENT: May I kindly ask senators to switch off their cell phones. Imagine if you are in the midst of debate and about to deliver very important news and an hon. Member's phone rings and it throws you out of balance. So either switch them off or put them on silence.

MOTION

HARNESSING OF RESOURCES FROM ZIMBABWEANS

IN THE DIASPORA

 

SENATOR GUTU: I move the motion standing in my name that this House: CONCERNED WITH the absence of a concrete programme of action and government policy to strategically harness the expertise of Zimbabweans living in the Diaspora.

FURTHER CONCERNED by the apparent lack of holistic and systematic campaign to compile a register of all Zimbabweans living in the Diaspora.

NOTING that Zimbabweans living in the Diaspora are capable of positively contributing to the socio-economic as well as political reconstruction of Zimbabwe by the all inclusive government.

TAKES this opportunity to call upon all Zimbabweans living in the Diaspora to liaise with the various diplomatic missions of Zimbabwe in the countries where they are presently residing to enable a register of Diasporans to be compiled.

FUTHER taking this opportunity to express its appreciation for the role that Zimbabweans living in the Diaspora have played and continue to play by remitting money and other resources to their families and relatives in Zimbabwe: which assistance has managed to ensure that the majority of Zimbabweans avoid mass starvation and complete destitution.

NOW, THEREFORE, RESOLVES; that this House calls upon the all-inclusive government, to formulate a concrete and strategic policy aimed at tapping and harnessing the expertise and resources of Zimbabweans living in the Diaspora as part of the all-inclusive government's efforts to resuscitate the country's economy.

SENATOR MLOTSHWA: I second.

SENATOR GUTU: Thank you Madam President unofficial statistics that I have managed to go through indicated that we have no less than four million Zimbabweans who are living in the Diaspora. The majority of them are in South Africa both living legally and illegally and the remainder, significant numbers, are found in Botswana while several thousands are in the United Kingdom, in the United States, Australia and I am told in the far end of Ireland and I am told some are in Samoa and Figi.

I will not dwell on the reasons why Zimbabweans decided to live their motherland to go into the Diaspora. Suffice for me to state that in the spirit of inclusivity, I do not think it is proper for me to delve into the politics around the migration of these millions of Zimbabweans into the Diaspora. But I believe that hon. members, it is clear that the reason why Zimbabweans have relocated from their country of birth is because of the economic problems and social political challenges that the country was facing and continued to face particularly from the advent of the new millennium that is 1999 to 2000. We have had a significant number of Zimbabweans of various ages but particularly between the ages of 20 to 45, 50 relocating to various countries. Unfortunately most of these, are highly skilled personnel, doctors, engineers, lawyers, accountants, nurses, dentist, artisans even the hair stylists and carpenters, you will find them in every corner of the world.

Most of them are highly competent and skilled. Why I decided to bring this motion is as I was agonizing and thinking about the plus or minus five billion United States dollars that we urgently needed as a country to quickly jump the economy, I then convinced myself that instead of maybe looking outside Zimbabwe as in looking at other countries or other multi-lateral lending organizations like the international monetary fund and the World Bank; would it also make sense that we also look within ourselves. We also look at the resources that Zimbabwe has in the country and in the Diaspora that can help us to reconstruct economically, socially and politically.

Madam President, I am then convinced myself that perhaps what we have to do as a nation is to come up with a more holistic and concrete government policy whose main task or aim is strategically to harness the expertise of those Zimbabweans living in the Diaspora. I am actually mindfully of the fact that the Short Term Emergency Recovery Programme (STERP) does come up with issues that relate to the Diaspora. In fact in the budget there is actually a sub-heading entitled 'The Diaspora' from Clause 252 to Clause 254 of that STERP. I appreciate that it is important and the motion that I have moved is not the intention of STERP but it brings forward the more scope or to broaden the horizon of STERP in as far as focusing on the Diaspora. I will just go through the four clauses relating to the Diaspora in case there are other hon. members who have not gone through the report.

Clause 252, The Diaspora

While STERP would prioritize foreign direct investment in Zimbabwe special attention would be given to investment by Zimbabweans living in the Diaspora. The inclusive government recognizes the massive resources financially and intellectually that this group of people can offer to Zimbabwe. All efforts would therefore be made to target this group and create concessionary and attractive facilities for their participation in the development of the economic. Potential benefits to the country includes improved imports to the economy, access to technology and markets through networks established abroad.'

Madam President, you will realize that even the drafters of STERP would have appreciated that the Diaspora, especially looking it up from the international context is not just something you can ignore. Many families today in Zimbabwe managed to have a meal on their table because of children and other relatives who are based in the Diaspora and although I was unable to come up with concrete statistics as of how much in terms of remittances comes into Zimbabwe from the Zimbabweans based in the Diaspora. I am sure many members in this august House will agree with me that without the Diaspora may be today as I speak

in this august Senate we will be talking of a monthly humanitarian hardship in this country but because of the few pounds, few Rand and few Euros that are sent by Zimbabweans who are in the diaspora, many families are managing to get by. This is why I am humbly urging that over and above the thrust of death as captured in Clause 2:52 and 2:54 of the STERP policy document; we also need to go a step further and come up with a concrete programme that really gives the nut and bolt, the nitty-gritty on how the new all inclusive government that we have is going to come up with a policy whose main aim is to strategically harness the expertise of Zimbabweans who are living in the diaspora. I have been agonizing over our thrust as a nation to want to believe that if we borrow money from other countries and raise our funds from US$5 - 6bn, then our troubles will be over. Madam President, it is my humble opinion that, that should not be the way it should be.

We all know that in this world there is nothing for nothing. We all know that the USA, Australia, UK even our good neighbour South Africa, will not just give us money for nothing. We should also try to focus on why we should want to benieve that ũf we are given money by other people, then our problems are solved. ၏n a personal level Madam President, I am very reluctant to want to believe that the begging mentality will solve the mammoth problgm`of the economy of the inclus聩ve government in theȠsense that there is no goverŮment undeb the sun that ѣ䁡n sõ2vi䁶e and have its economy clicK by getting ၤonor fwnds and se all know that the Bretton Woodw Institutions - I†ao referrũng to instituTioŮsȠs䁵ch asIMF and the World Bank. Madam President, we will be fooling ourselves as a nation if we think that the World Bank loves us and if we think that the IMF loves us. They do not love us but all they want is our resources. If we look at it, then why is it that all countries that seek to get support from these Bretton Woods Institutions are invariably perpetually indebted? Look at the history of countries like Haiti. It is a perfect example and it has been independent for more than 200 years but it remains one of the poorest countries in the world. We then wonder why they are poor yet they are getting donor funds. You end up having a donor dependent syndrome which is as fatal as the HIV/AIDS virus. So, we should avoid this donor syndrome.

This is why I said why as a nation do we not arrange through the relevant line Ministries? I understand there are relevant line Ministries like Regional Integration and International Cooperation, Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Economic Planning and even the Ministry of Finance to come up with a package to say to Zimbabweans out there, if we can have a ministerial committee that can be set up to make a diaspora conference and then try to have a list of all Zimbabweans living out there. They might not have to come here to live with us physically but what we want is for them to play a meaningful role in the reconstruction of their country.

So the issue is to say that if we had a register of all people living in the diaspora, it is not going to be a spying mission but it is just going to help us to harness those resources by knowing who is living where and what are they doing, and what can they help to reconstruct efforts in the all inclusive government in Zimbabwe. There are several case studies of the role that the diaspora has done and continues to do in other countries where we have most of the people based outside the country helping their countries of birth or of origin to economically prosper. There are examples for instance in India and Russia. There is a programme where they have changed their attitude towards what they call in Jewish language the 'Yodim'. It basically refers to those people who left Israel and settled abroad.

Israel has come up with a strategic government policy to persuade 100s of its citizens not to only come back to Israel, but to help mobilize resources in the economic development of Israel. We all know that Israel, small as it is, is obviously one of the most advanced in its economy. I am reliably informed that they are masters in the field of irrigation although they live in a semi arid region but they do not have any problem with water. Then, you ask yourself how Israel has managed with a population of 4 million people but we all know that there are Jews living in the diaspora without sounding anti Semitic, there are Jews all over the world.

MADAM PRESIDENT: I am glad you corrected yourself.

SENATOR GUTU: Madam President, what I am urging the all inclusive government to do is to come up with a detailed programme. STERP, like I have already said, does take note of the people living in the diaspora. In my humble opinion, STERP should have gone a step further and it should have clearly outlined how our new all inclusive government intends to take the resources in the diaspora. As Hon. Biti indicated yesterday, in this honourable House when he talked about the need to reconstruct our country economically. There is the issue of the presence of the rule of law and also the issue of general start for normal human rights. We all appreciate that there can not be development when the law of the jungle reign into sin where might is right.

 

The law of the jungle does not respect the fundamental ethics of equality or people sharing the same community on an equal footing. It is really a dog eat dog kind of philosophy which STERP is trying to address in its earlier provision. Why I link this provision with the diasporan argument that I am addressing in this august Senate Madam President is that if you travel out there to meet the diasporans, there is a general feeling out there that we, as a country are perhaps not appreciating the diasporan role in the development of our country.

The first question that they normally ask is why is it that Zimbabweans living in the diaspora are not given an opportunity to participate in national elections? Why do you want our money but you do not want to give us the right to vote? So I would like to believe that STERP as the Short Term Economic Recovery Programme should also take note when the new people driven constitution is being drafted that we try by all means to have a constitution where all Zimbabweans both within the country and outside the country are given the right to vote. If they are given the right to vote in all future national elections, that will also give them a sense of belonging and with a sense of belonging also comes a sense of responsibility which will encourage them to want to be seen to be involved in the development of their country.

In my recent private visit to Australia, I met some fellow Zimbabweans who also expressed the wish to help the country but the main hindrance, like I have already highlighted, is this issue of saying why is that the government at home does not want to give us the recognition that we are Zimbabweans although we are living in the diaspora. So, I take this opportunity to humbly persuade this august House to definitely have a clause where the right to vote is given to all Zimbabweans both here and abroad when discussions start in earnest on the new constitution.

The reason why most Zimbabweans are opting to get foreign citizenship is this sense of lack of belonging. They say why remain Zimbabwean citizens when not given the recognition of the right to vote in Zimbabwe. It is an unfortunate development and the Zimbabweans in the diaspora are actually securing citizenship and they are now Australian citizens. I was both shocked and embarrassed and even annoyed that they are proud to be citizens there because they have stayed there for 4 - 5 years and renounce their Zimbabwean citizenship.

In the new constitution, there is need to address the issue of dual citizenship even though I know it is controversial but believe you me Madam President, this world is getting smaller and smaller. This world is globalising and as has been said before by other eminent people, it is Zimbabwe that needs the world and not the world that needs Zimbabwe. So the only way we can help ourselves is to come up with a constitution that provides for dual citizenship and I do not see anything wrong with that. All we want to do is to tap those international resources, material resources and other resources of our sons and daughters who are out there in the diaspora. There is no reason to say that if you acquire another country's citizenship automatically the Zimbabwean citizenship falls away. At the moment our constitution says you can not be a citizen of two countries.

There is nothing wrong in having a dual citizenship scenario. So I urge this august House Madam President to raise these issues when we participate in the new constitution making process because at the end of the day, if we are to ignore the people in the diaspora, they will not assist in the development of this country.

I will give an example of Egypt - 90% of the land is desert but it is one of the most developed countries in Africa and I can say to you now that Egypt is the second biggest economy after South Africa.

Egypt does not have the kind of resources that we have here in Zimbabwe. Egypt does not have diamonds, no platinum, and no general type of human resourѣes that we have here or the beaõtiful climate that we enjoy heve® It is however, surprising that those Eၧyptians out there in the diaspo⁲e have played a"big Role in t聨e development of their country and I ࡢelieve that Zimbabwe, tapqing the diasporan expertise can actually be up tHereȠwith the movers an$ shakers. It doťs not hedp us to ųa} that we can ѧet moneyРѦrom our friends theo we are okay.Р Wh`t we should do is to actually get money ɦrom murselvၥs and if we do then wࡥ are okay be䁣ause we have not indebted ourselves. What we should realise is that there is no money for nothing out there so that money from our friends will only add to increase the external debt of this country. I was informed that as at 18 February 2009 at the coming together of the inclusive government the country's external debt stood at +/- US$4.8 billion and if we borrow another US$5 billion we are already talking of US$9.8 billion of indebtedness. We might feel that if we have some money it is okay but we have to look at what it will do to the future generation of this country. We will have a situation where this country will remain in debt in such a manner that we will be held to ransom.

I believe this is not what we want as Zimbabweans - to continue to borrow. We want a situation where we say to the world here is Zimbabwe with an all inclusive government. We have gone out our way and tried all we can to get something. The reason why I defend the all inclusive government is when everything has been said and done, it is the only viable option we have at this juncture to take Zimbabwe out of this quagmire short of blood shed and short of killing each other. Some of these countries need to really have faith in this inclusive government but I defend it because I love my country and I think it is the only viable way we can get our country working now. Without again

seeking to play the blame game, I believe that as the august House of Parliament, this Senate should also go out of its way to come up with constructive debate as regards how exactly the potential benefits to the country that includes remittances that will be done.

We all know of the efforts of the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe some few years ago when they came up with the Homelink Scheme. I do not know what really happened to Homelink but the little that I know about it is that it was not successful. It was not successful and I believe it is because Homelink was not holistically designed and it was seen as an effort by the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe to get money and that money, people there in the Diaspora were not too sure as to how it was going to be used. So the concept of Homelink was not bad but then there is need to improve on upon Homelink and come up with a holistic government of Zimbabwe driven Diasporan government policy.

I do not know how exactly that can be done but I believe we have technocrats in the ministry who can come up with position papers and who can then help the all-inclusive government to really articulate what can be done when you want to tap resources from the Diaspora. I can give examples from other countries. We all know about Nigeria. It is a very interesting country with a population of more than 100 million people. We all know that there are Nigerians all over the world and they are like Zimbabweans and the good thing about Nigerians, despite the fact that some are out, when you talk to a Nigerian he/she will make sure that whatever happens, they have allegiance to their country. He/she will tell you that whatever happens they will send something back to Nigeria.

I believe they do that because regardless of the political problems that they always have in Nigeria, somehow as a nation Nigerians have accepted that you do not have to be in Nigeria physically for you to be a Nigerian patriot. So we should also try to come up with a policy that will encourage patriotism in the Diaspora. I do not know how exactly that can be done but I believe that there is also a need for our all-inclusive government to deliberately target the re-branding of Zimbabwean Diasporans.

I believe there is also that feeling of annoyance that you get when you talk to Zimbabweans who are out there. Madam President, I believe you know what I am talking about. I know that you travel frequently. The Zimbabweans out there when they talk about Zimbabwe they say yakadii nyika yenyu? There is this feeling that they are no longer Zimbabweans. All I am saying is if we could come up with some form of mechanism and policy that will conscientize Zimbabweans in the Diaspora to make them love their country. I am not saying they do not love it but generally there is this feeling of hopelessness that 'I do not belong'.

I know of people who I can not disclose who have actually gone to even deny that they are Zimbabweans and when you go to social gatherings and ask, "where are you from?" They will say, "South Africa", because they are ashamed of being Zimbabweans. We should come up with a policy to conscientize our people. We have a highly educated population and very hard working and because of that we should not be borrowing. I am very much anti-borrowing. He who borrows plays their tune. We have a situation where if the World Bank tells you to say we want you to dispose of a strategic parastatal for instance ZESA Holdings, if you have no money, you will agree because if you are poor you tend to be dictated to. This is where I am saying if we can harness the $5 billion that we are looking for, it is out there in the Diaspora among the Zimbabweans. That might lessen the need for us to borrow money from the multi-laterals.

There might also be a need for the all-inclusive government given target Zimbabweans in the Diaspora to come back. Sometimes they can tell you that they are reluctant to come back home and I believe that something can be done to make sure that those who are willing to come are encouraged to come back. I have noticed that several thousands of teachers and nurses who had gone cross the border into South Africa are slowly trickling back to Zimbabwe. I believe that is the way to go.

We all know that whether we like it or not, there are xenophobic prejudices against Zimbabweans particularly in Botswana and even South Africa and this is not because we are bad people but we are too good a people and hard working and the danger is we become unpopular and they call us makwerekwere. Madam President, I would humbly urge this august Senate to debate this motion and take note of the fact that at the end of the day the future of Zimbabwe is in our hands. If we do not support this inclusive government by coming up with various ideas to have ways and means to get ourselves out of this state, then we are doomed as Hon. Biti said yesterday. If we have this all-inclusive government failing, the next thing that is going to happen in this country is total breakdown of law and order and we will be like another Somalia.

Whether we like it or not I would urge this august Senate to take note of the fact that the all-inclusive government is the best way forward not in terms of the most ideal but at this juncture, this is the only way that we can go. And by supporting this motion I would like hon. members also to take note of the need for all of us to focus as one and to make sure that at the end of the day - if this all-inclusive government fails, it is not going to be the principals who are going to be blamed but Zimbabweans. We come across dooms day opponents who will tell you that Zimbabwe will not succeed in the all-inclusive government. When you ask these people what is the alternative, they do not have any.

At the end of the day I ask this Senate to appreciate that we have to accept the Diaspora, which is generally the answer for an all-inclusive government. I believe the all-inclusive government will go out of its way to try to sell a policy to the Diaspora and convince the skeptical that this all-inclusive government is the best. At the end of the day I am confident that in six or so months in 2009, Zimbabwe would have undergone a remarkable transformation.

I believe that by August or September 2009 with the right motion, this economy is going to be big and at the end of the day instead of us being the basket case of the region that we have become, we are going to retain our status of being the bread basket not only of the region but of the whole world.

SENATOR MLOTSHWA: Madam President, while we are at the brink of the highest mountain in our country, whilst we need urgent measures to resuscitate our country, I second the motion of coming up with a government policy that we can recommend in this Senate. As you are aware that it was recommended that we do not have to mourn, but we should come up with prescriptions of how to get out of this current situation.

Madam President, the economic-turn around path once taken by the Governor of the Reserve Bank of Homelink: the question is, did it yield any fruits? The answer is no, so then we need to prescribe a strategic policy that will lure our people to contribute economically or even come back, especially teachers, nurses, and doctors for starters. This Senate should design a policy that will be well publicized like the home link and a delegation should be sent abroad to campaign for it to work.

We should offer to accommodate their voting rights, I mean for those that will remain to dig for the so much needed forex. We cannot expect to gain from their sweat, gain from their expertise but deny them their human rights.

Mr. President, when there was xenophobia in South Africa countries like Mozambique showed some compassion for its people, the government sent buses to collect its citizens back to their country. I propose that this inclusive government should speed up the process of correcting the completion of our rule of law since now there is a fusion of new blood in government. We should witness our people streaming back or investing their monies without fear. I think if everyone in the diaspora knows that there is nothing to fear in Zimbabwe they will contribute positively to the growth of our economy.

SENATOR MUMVURI : I rise to contribute to the motion that was brought by Senator Gutu and seconded by Senator Mlotshwa. It is a good motion but before the correction, I was wondering what Senator Gutu was talking about following what was printed on the paper. I could not get the subheadings, which mentioned the diaspora. Now as corrected by the chair thank you for that correction.

I just have a few comments to make. First of all, I listened with keen interest to the contribution but I want to say why should we focus on the negative of what happened in the past. I am not saying we are condemning the motion but let us say the reason why our daughters and sons are out of the country is the past. What we should focus on now is to try and get them back.

He mentioned towards the end of the debate the good things, the good aspects of the inclusive government whereby the government should put effort to bring our sons and daughters back. If some choose to stay outside I would suggest that they formalize their papers so that they are there with the blessings of the all-inclusive government. We can have other people making money outside for the benefit of our country but the majority who want to retain should be encouraged to retain. Actually those in the diaspora with a lot of funds if they came back, they will help us to increase the flow of foreign currency into the banks and in the country. The sooner they return, the better. That will help the country. On the issue of dual citizenship touched by the hon. learned senator, I think this will be addressed as early as possible. I think it is on the new Constitution which is based on the Kariba Draft Constitution so it is one point that we can not contribute much because I do not know what is in that document. We were urged to get hold of it and see if it encourages dual citizenship or not. On the whole, I think it is a motion which deserves much support from all of us. I want to say well done. Thank you.

SENATOR MAKORE: Hon President I want to thank the mover of this very important motion who is Senator Gutu. I think it is important that all of this should start with us. We can only depend on foreign backing yes, but it is important that we address that as a line very important and that we must demonstrate exactly the love and support for our country. These life lines start with us and it is not only about money but about ourselves. If a person realize, that there is Zimbabwe, as a Zimbabwean he must have love for his people. It is equally important that this motion brings about concern for the country's pragmatic state of affairs which can be relieved by our own contributions. I thank Senator Gutu but all of this will mean we have to embark on an enormous publicity exercise outside the country in order that this will move those people to understand the problem which I believe all of them must be aware of.

As of today the country requires much for its resuscitation and we all agree with what the Minster of Finance stated that "we must eat what we kill" and that "we can only depend on what is there". The type of budget which we have could be very small according to the demands but the question is where we get the money. It is a million dollar question. We have some business people and we must hold some meetings with the business community who must play a part in the contributions that we feel necessary. Outside, we have colleagues who are also business people and they must be honoured. These people must make their own efforts in terms of contributions which are of importance to all of us. If every one of these people could release their forex and make their contributions towards Zimbabwe, it could be a very significant contribution at this moment. This motion is not new to us but the Chinese community did that and you all know that China is one of our helpers. China adopted that everyone who goes out must have a contribution to make. It was done and it was successful elsewhere so it is not a new phenomenon. We are strengthening it so that we become soldiers of this particular economy so that this economy could be driven to the call.

I make an emphasis that we must support this motion because we know there are other people who are supposed to travel back home. However not all people are desirous to come back home because the economy is still very poor and they want to live comfortably where other countries have developed their economy. It is important for us to consider some of the people who are in their professions and help them. Everybody must play a part.

SENATOR HLALO: Thank you Mr. President. I will start my contribution by saying I had a lesson from the Minister of Finance when he was talking. As a member of government his job is not easy coming from a position of being in the Opposition.

Debating is the easiest thing to do but now if we need to engage in nation building, it is very difficult to contribute because you have to choose your words in order to get everyone put on board. When my colleague was speaking, Hon. Gutu about his motion, what came into my mind was that a lot of planning and thinking has to come into play. It is like we need to build a house for Zimbabwe and as we all know houses need plans. After planning the house you need materials and everything. We also need a foundation where the house is to be built on. So this problem which we have needs a plan and a foundation. The foundation depends on where we are focussing on.

I will start with the people in the diaspora who need to come back with their skills. If they have to come back to Zimbabwe with their skills, they need the institutions of health in which we could say that they should get medical facilities. They also need educational institutions that work so that their children can come back into those institutions without depriving them of what$they could have done elsewhere. That is where we slould focuson in terms ïfࠠthe diaspၯrans gho wa䁮t to coe with their$skills. Thebe are"soMe benchmၡrks which theѹ lokk at which I will alѳo䀠refer ɴo as plans. I think the onus is on us as govmrnment tg make sureࠠtha䁴 we put all these things in place so tŨat they can come back. I know dhere is a tim聥 when I was in China on an ၩ衮vѥstm聥nt drave. The Chࡩnese constantly asked õq how much Zi}babwean employees earned. At each citq0we were this question came up. I ended up asking them why they were asking about how much our employees earn. They told us if they get too little, their investments would go up in flames when they demand living wages. So I said to myself these people plan that if these people earn enough money they know there will be instability.

These are the things that are fundamental if anybody wants to plan. So, for us we can talk until cows come home about Zimbabwe getting better, but we need to put the fundamental plan first, we need to put things that will attract people. It is like a woman who does not attract men. If she does not change her way of dressing, the clothes or the hairstyle she puts on, she will obviously not be attractive. So this is what happens with investment. You need to attract them by what you offer. In other countries there are places where developers can come and start their companies and they are offered better laws than those in their countries like the Export Processing Zones. So, all these things are what we should do for investors. If you want to build a house, the plan must have a foundation and the material for the house to be strong.

I am asking this august Senate to come up with some ways of ensuring that all that we want to do is bolstered by institutions and laws that will make sure that this process which we are in succeeds. All these things are in Amendment No. 19 and all we are looking up to is implementation. Those who will look into that area must double their efforts and ensure that no one disturbs this inclusive government. I know there are some people who are not happy with this inclusive government because they might have been benefiting through the chaos that was there. But now we have a situation where everyone must win. I think we have that opportunity and I am sure that this Senate will support the motion that Hon. Gutu has brought forward. I thank you.

SENATOR RUGARE: Thank you Mr. President. I rise to support, not only Senator Gutu but also in support of the spirit that is there already. You see that people are trying to be serious, but at the same time, reminding us that even in our absence that after one or two hours our attention span is terrible when we have a quarter of the Senate. Now where are the senators gone? Mr. President please something must be done for senators to take up this motion seriously. First take yourself seriously, before others do. That is if you rise up and leave debate going on, what does it mean? I am sorry to say that you are not trying to be serious, you are not trying to be positive. Let us all be positive and seriously sit here because this is important and we are in very hard times that will call for men and women to be more serious.

The question of people in the diaspora is an issue that should be raised strongly because we believe these diasporans; children, brothers, sisters and relatives are first and foremost, patriotic. Why do I say so? I say they are patriotic because they tried to remember what is going on at home and they have supported their families very materially. Almost every family in Zimbabwe has had some relatives or children in the diaspora who have sustained their well-being during these troubled times. So, patriotism can not be questioned of them. But what is questioned is where are they, why have they run away? It means this place was unlivable if there was such a word. What ever caused it to be unlivable should be scraped and cleaned up.

You know people are not like dogs that will through up and in turn eat up again. We do not do that. We throw up and forget. We never come back to what we could not take. By that I mean it is only unionism to say whatever it was that threw our children, brothers, relatives out of Zimbabwe should not continue to be seen. I think we all know why they left. It is not my duty to remind our memory here. We know and believe that - if you are a senator, you will have some substance of remembering what it is yourself. So let us clean up. That is what I am urging Zimbabweans, first beginning with us here in Parliament so that they can look back and say that is Zimbabwe and I am proud of my country.

I know they are patriotic but they are only ashamed of the unpatriotic behaviour of Zimbabweans. We must look at ourselves rather than look at them. We must make Zimbabwe attractive. To say that there is no money is another statement but I believe the will must be there to make this country attractive, we must find a way.

Mr President, I do not like a lot of this Senate's time because the Senate is almost retired. Quite a number of empty seats are seen here. Please we hope they are here, even in their absence that - and I repeat - we are the problem, every Zimbabwean in Zimbabwe and outside Zimbabwe is the problem. Let us face up to the problems ourselves and look at ourselves in the eye and say, 'my brother or sister you are the problem'. I am the problem too. Let us try and look at it as our problem. Let us make Zimbabwe attractive. As long as we spend all our life talking without doing, they look out to Australia, New Zealand and so on and they will say do I see what you do? I don't hear what you say.

SENATOR MUDZINGWA: Thank you Mr President I am very grateful for this motion by Senator Gutu that has come at the right time. In my small contribution I would like to remind hon. Senators here that the first step is with us. We must accept that there is a crisis and that crisis was not created by outsiders. In support of that motion, you have rightly pointed out that there has been a new policy in the inclusive government. The inclusive government is actually a gift from God. It is not many months ago that we were killing each other but the coming in of the inclusive government, you find people instead of killing each other, they are just scolding each other. Scolding each other does not cause permanent damage.

I would like to start by saying yes, it is true that the inclusive government should come up with a new policy but when we stand up to make contributions, we should not only point out at what is obvious but we should provide solutions. I think the first step should be the change of the mindset of all the people in Zimbabwe. Why do I say so? We are talking about the diaspora which was brought in by Senator Gutu. We do not have to go very far. There is no way we can get a cent in terms of contributions on the resuscitation of our economy from our brothers and sisters who are outside unless we change our mindset.

You take for example the media both print and electronic; I am not going to mince my words, for example The Herald, The Chronicle, the Sunday Mail, The Sunday News and the ZBC. The vilifications which they paint on the faces of our own children who left this country not because of their own liking but because of the situation in the country, we send them to school and they have got their professional qualifications. When they want to contribute to our economy, we do not treat them as Zimbabweans and they immediately leave. When they leave, the vilification staff, mercenaries, money seekers, unpatriotic, the vilification should be directed to us here in Zimbabwe because we are responsible for sending our children away and that includes our own government. I am not going to mince my words because these papers are under our government, The Herald and all those electronic medias are under government but just take any copy even today you find vilification of our children who are outside there, those are not foreigners. They are our children and that is where we are supposed to s䁴art with, where щ said tၨat negative mindset must be removed before we even spåak about investi聧ations whether you are in South 䁦rica Or elsewhere†where we do not know whethɥr there0are eny†Zimbabweans. Bࡵt, I (ope Zũmba聢weans are everywhere. Before we do anything we should change oŵr mi.dset.č їe areРnot trying to score political points. We are here for natikncl s䁵rvival and this is what shoul$ alwaqs be io our(mindset. FgrȠexample here ɩn Zimbabwe we`⁡re hungry fut we ⁨ave the most fertile soil in the world. These are questions which we must ask ourselves. The question of hunger did not come from outside Zimbabwe but it was caused by us because of our own performance. This is why we are hungry. I am not going to stop at that because there is nothing more destabilizing like hunger. If we go to our own security as a country, we might have even 20 million soldiers armed with AK rifles. If we are hungry we will never have peace. That is one of the dimensions which I want to remind hon. Senators here. But, for the love of that motion now that it has come, we must change our mindset. We should see production and a new industry. When you produce, you should have inputs and those inputs must be distributed transparently.

You do not bring fertilizer and seed to me because I am a medical doctor. So why should you give me those inputs? Instead, those inputs should be given to somebody who is able to do farming and produce food. I am very sorry for taking too much time even though I was very emotional; I am not an emotional man. Thank you Mr. President.

SENATOR G DUBE: I want to support Senator Gutu's motion. It is a good motion because it really shows that as Zimbabweans we are here on a serious business. It shows that we are now grown up and we want to resuscitate our country. We think we can not do it but we should try by looking for support from our fellow brothers and sisters who are in the diaspora. When our brothers and sisters come here to help us, they will be actually helping their country where they come from and we must also remember that the expertise that they have, they got it from Zimbabwe and we must remember that the education that they have, they also got from Zimbabwe. We know that Zimbabwe itself once had the best education in the whole of Africa. That is why when you go to any county, as a Zimbabwean it is easy to get a job than people from other countries in Africa. This is a very good motion and we should start by asking for help from our own brothers and sisters. They will help resuscitate our economy because they know they have got brothers and sisters who are still in schools and colleges, who will want better jobs and better remunerationfrom thesame sources and if they do not get it they will also go out in their numbers.

Yesterday the Minister of Finance was talking about the situation in our schools and highlighted that at the moment we only have a third of the anticipated numbers of teachers. A lot of our teachers are still in South Africa and if we try to show them that we do not have much but we are trying to make things work they will be happy to come back and help us. If we show that we are in this inclusive government together and in good faith they will help us. Let us live within our means and not ask for too much. Borrowing is not the answer but we should ask those who want to come and invest before borrowing. We should try and liaise with our brothers and sisters and ask for assistance to develop our country. What I want to say is that we should not seek for donations but ask for assistance from our own people. We should stand up together because if we unite we stand but if we are divided we fall.

*SENATOR MUCHENJE : I want to thank Hon. Gutu for a very good motion that he has brought at an opportune time in this House. Indeed we are pained by the scores of children who have gone to America, UK, Australia and many other countries. Some of the reasons why these children have chosen to stay in other countries could be caused mainly by the way we rel`te the situation here to them. The problem of money is not on|y here in Zimbabwe but ũt is a worldwide issue. As we speak mmst of耠tѨe children are not working if tle diaspora. Many of the children are living illegalhy and can not even come back.

*THE`DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Order. I am sorry your debate is not being recordedȠbecause there is no interpretation. You ɭay continue if xou 職ish0oѲ!speaK in Eɮglish.

*SENATOR MUCHENJE: I will continue in Sjůna for the purposå of hulping others.

Speech not recorded due to technical fault

THE GOVERNOR FOR MATABELELAND NORTH : I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday, 1st April, 2009

MOTION

PRESIDENTIAL SPEECH: DEBATE ON ADDRESS

Second Order read: Adjourned debate on motion in reply to the Presidential Speech.

Question again proposed.

SENATOR MARAVA: Thank you for affording me this opportunity to avail my speech in this Parliament of my country for the first time. Allow me to congratulate you and the President of the Senate on your undisputed election to President and Deputy President. I also profoundly congratulate all the hon. senators for being elected in the Senate. My special and undivided thanks go to the people of Zaka and all the people of Zimbabwe for speaking so clearly on the 29th of March 2008. The people of Zimbabwe have emerged heroes and heroines of the liberation of Zimbabwe which we shall all enjoy. Madam President, I want to give my utmost thanks to our torch bearer Mr Morgan Tsvangirai the Prime Minister of Zimbabwe and President Robert Mugabe for their effort which today afforded us this platform to shape our own country.

Allow me Madam President at this juncture to thank the great heroine of this country Mrs. Susan Tsvangirai for the great job she did while she walked on this earth, Zimbabwe in particular. Some of her works included uniting the great nation Zimbabwe, shaping the political arena of Zimbabwe and even after her sad and tragic death, she caused Zimbabweans to close ranks in shared grief and brought us closer together.

Let me at this moment thank His Excellency the President of Zimbabwe Cde. Robert Mugabe for saving millions of lives in this country by lifting the ban on NGO activities. In my constituency Zaka, animals and people were competing for hacha an edible wild fruit. But, when the ban was lifted there came an NGO called Care International into Zaka with tonnes and tonnes of food relief. Today Care International is still in Zaka doing a fabulous job of feeding people. Allow me to say to Care International, 'thank you very much' on behalf of the people of Zaka. I say thank you to Care International, you have won our hearts, you are a dear friend indeed.

Mr. President, let me thank the powers that be, which led to the creation of this house - the Senate. Just by looking at its composition, one is satisfied that honestly if we work hard and avoid unnecessary confrontation, all the national answers should be found here. In this Senate we have seasoned and newly elected senators. We have in this house our traditional leaders, which include the President of Chiefs, Chief Fortune Charumbira. Where I come from and I believe where the majority of us come from, one's identity is not complete until you mention your Chief's name.

In this august Senate we have doctors, pastors, lecturers and the list is endless. The serious constructive debates which are now happening in this Senate, are encouraging, for through such debates, no dirt will be swept under the carpet. I am at pains to advise this august Senate that I represent one of the most neglected and undeveloped part of Zimbabwe. My constituency boasts of a number of clinics but due to the current economic conditions facing the country, most of the buildings have become an eyesore and need money for repairs and buying materials.

Most schools need staffing while hospitals and clinic, need drugs. My area was not spared by the outbreak of Cholera, although the situation is under control. I personally consider education as a key attribute oŦ community development. EDucation is the practice耠聯⁦ freedom. 䀠The lykes of Hebert Chitepo, Josiah Tongogara, Ãhibwe Chiôedza N࡫omo, Ndabaningi Sithole together with mos䁴`of thoseȠat Ѵhe nati/nal shrane and some living today were abe to r䁥alizeဠthe i䁭proPeѲ colonial injusti衣e becauѳe0theyР⁷ere proparìy educateѤ. They woၲked very hqrd ajd Zimba`we was free in 1980.

Thuy work⁥d forဠa ZimBabwe, whic聨 sees all"chi,fren equal ∓ President'q children, Prime ࡍi聮ister's children, farmer's children and all children have access to education. Decent education is the children's right and it is not a privilege. The state of schools in Zaka is terrifying. If one would go to Zaka today and visit schools such as Bota, Nhema, Rusere, Jichidza, Muroyi and Benzi just to mention but a few, one would be shocked by their state. The earth tremor which rocked the southern parts of Masvingo Province in 2005 left large cracks on classrooms at all schools.

Lastly, I would like to highlight to this Senate the state of communication network in Zaka. The road network is in a bad state such that some parts of Zaka are inaccessible. Roads, which used to link rural service centers, business centers, schools and clinics are almost non-existent now.

In conclusion, I would like to thank the government for coming up with STERP, which encourages competition of the market forces in determining prices and levels of production. STERP is the only tool at our disposal now, which thrives to reach the equilibrium position on the market. Oligopoly which is the buyers' market and sellers' market are not the fairest means available to our community. The fairest means of production and price determination is encouragement of free market and enterprise and STERP embodies all that. I hope our problems in Zaka will also be taken into consideration.

I also thank the people of Zaka once more for mandating me to represent them in this Seventh Parliament of Zimbabwe.

THE GOVERNOR FOR MATEBELELAND NORTH : I move that the debate do now adjourn.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday 31st March, 2009

ANNOUNCEMENT BY MADAM PRESIDENT

INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY WORKSHOP

MADAM PRESIDENT: I wish to inform the Women Parliamentarians that the Information Communication Technology workshop will continue up to the 31st of March 2009.

On the motion of THE GOVERNOR FOR MATABELELAND NORTH, the Senate adjourned at Seven Minutes past Four O'clock p.m. until Tuesday, 31st March, 2009.

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