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Tuesday, 28th January, 2014

The Senate met at Half-past Two O’clock p.m.




(MADAM PRESIDENT in the Chair)



MADAM PRESIDENT : May I remind hon. senators to switch off your cell phones before commencement of business.


MADAM PRESIDENT: I have to inform the Senate that all hon. senators are invited to a half day seminar on taxation organised by ZIMRA, to be held at Rainbow Towers Hotel on Thursday, 30th January, 2014. The bus will leave Parliament building at 7.30 a.m. Kindly confirm your attendance with the Public Relations Officers stationed at the member’s dining room.



First Order read: Adjourned debate on motion in reply to the Presidential Speech.

Question again proposed.

SENATOR MATHUTHU: Thank you Madam President. Madam President, I want to thank the mover of the motion, Hon. Senator Mutsvangwa and the seconder. His Excellency, the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe and Commander-in-Chief of the Zimbabwe Defence Forces, Cde R.G. Mugabe, expressed concern on successive years of drought, resulting in poor agricultural output from farming which is the back bone of our economy.

Madam President, the purpose of going to work is to earn a living, so that we feed our families, clothes them and provide decent shelter for them. When agriculture fails, Madam President, the nation is plunged into hunger. Hunger causes diseases; hunger causes disharmony in a nation, hunger reduces a nation to beggars, hunger disrupts human development and it destroys families as well as reducing production.

Madam President, His Excellency the President proposed development of water harvesting techniques and that the nation should develop a culture of conservation and also that our country needs to develop irrigation projects and build dams to ensure that the agricultural sector is revived.

In Matabeleland North Province, we host the most talked about National Matabeleland Zambezi Water Project which still needs to be funded, especially the Gwai/Shangani Dam component, which when complete will turn the Matabeleland region into a green belt going down to Masvingo and Limpopo provinces.

Madam President, it is pleasing to note that the Minister of Finance allocated 9, 9 million dollars towards the completion of the Gwai/Shangani Dam in this year’s budget. I am aware of the liquidity crunch bedeviling our economy and request the ministry to identify other sources of revenue to ensure completion of the Gwai-Shangani dam and commencement of the National Zambezi Water Pipeline Project. The 40.3 million cubic metre Bubi-Lupane dam in Lupane was commissioned a few years ago, but to date, the Lupane community is not benefiting from it. Only the building contractors are reaping the benefits of this brand new dam. This is due to the fact that there is no treatment plant for the raw water, rendering it unsuitable for human consumption.

Madam President, I notice that the Ministry of Finance allocated US$2 500 000 in this year’s budget against a requirement of US$3 000 000.00. May the minister, please remember the growing City of Lupane, the capital of Matabeleland North Province? Presently, the residents rely on four boreholes for their water supply and these are already overwhelmed due to the massive growth of the capital.

Madam President, if an irrigation scheme is developed in Lupane, the community will benefit a great deal and this will ease the burden of food supply from Government. Presently, the crocodiles attack their livestock leaving them poorer. Once upon a time, we had a thriving irrigation scheme named ARDA Jotsholo. Production at this scheme was so much that people from all over Zimbabwe used to buy rice and other produce from ARDA Jotsholo. Some rice was for export. Villagers throughout the province also used to benefit from the broken rice sold to them, but alas, the dam which used to supply water to ARDA Jotsholo is so heavily silted that production has dwindled. ARDA Balu, ARDA Tendele and Anju Irrigation Schemes all require recapitalization. In Hwange, we need to rehabilitate Cheziya irrigation scheme, Chentale Irrigation Scheme, Makwa irrigation scheme, Lambo irrigation scheme and Lukosi irrigation scheme.

Madam President, there are other dams in the province which are heavily silted and if rehabilitated will alleviate these water woes and enable efficient functioning of irrigation schemes. Nkayi-Makwanda dam and Mbazhe dam in ward 5, Sengulube dam in ward 18, Khethiwe dam, Godhini Dam and Matshena Dam in ward 13, Boya-Bembuzi Dam in ward 15, Matshuzula Dam in ward 20, Nkayigwa dam in ward 17, Shibhongo Dam in ward 28 and Makwateni Dam in ward 12, Fanisoni irrigation scheme in Nkayi is doing extremely well, but requires electrification of its pumping system.

Madam President, I mention Nkayi district as a sample, but all the seven districts in Matabeleland North have dams which need rehabilitation and irrigation schemes yet to be developed.

On livestock development, artificial insemination will go a long way to improve the quality of the provincial herd. I note with appreciation the US$ 50 000 allocated to the Tsholotsho breeding and multiplication centre. I pray that the ministry sources revenue from other sources, especially co-operating partners to fund similar projects in Matabeleland North province.

On mining Madam President, we see an upsurge of new mines and mining projects in Matabeleland North province, which is a welcome development. However, environment issues are not dealt with effectively, i.e. disposal of waste into rivers, destruction of road infrastructure due to use of heavy duty trucks and equipment, creation of gaping holes, which are a danger to humans and animals, flora and fauna. I urge the ministries responsible to enforce the instruments which protect the environment to avoid degradation. Re-opening of Kamativi mines will go a long way in contributing to development of our economy.

On roads, I am concerned with the outstanding road projects which have been pending for a while, namely Bulawayo-Nkayi road, Bulawayo-Tsholotsho road, Sipepa-Lupane road, Lupane-Nkayi road. Other roads which require upgrading are as follows Jambezi to Victoria Falls border road, Jambezi-Ndhlovu road, Jambezi-Mbizha road, Hwange- Mashala-Kasibo road, Hwange Deka-Binga road, Makwandara Loop road, Gwayi Lusulu road, Dete-Binga road, Binga-Chunga road, Binga-Siabuwa road, Mabale road, Kazungula road, Pandamatenga road, Bulawayo-Victoria Falls road, Gweluatshena-Lupanae road, Gwelutshena-Kana road, Zinyangeni-Guwe road, Tshakalisa-St Pauls road, Mazumabili-Nkobokwhe road, Mazumabili Mateni road, Zenka-Zwelabo road, Gwelutshena-Zidulini Sebhumane road, just to mention but a few.

Our tourism sector is a major contributor to the GDP. Roads in the national parts are in a deplorable state and I urge Government to accelerate their rehabilitation.

Madam President, there are still classes conducted under trees with children writing on the ground. These little ones do not have even benches to sit on. We also experience a shortage of science and maths teachers in the province due to poor accommodation and teaching facilities in most schools. This results in poor grades at ‘O’ and ‘A’ level limiting chances of our students to access university education. It is disheartening to note that Matabeleland North8 province does not have a single teacher training college, no agricultural college, no research station and no vocational or skills training centre.

I urge Government to consider establishment of these institutions so that the province does not lag behind in development. Once upon a time, we had Kamativi operating as a vocational training centre, but it faced operational problems and is lying idle.

On health delivery, Hwange district hospital at five miles remains unfinished and this has led most critical situations to continue to be attended to at either Victoria Falls hospital and upon referral, St Luke Hospital, Mpilo or UBH in Bulawayo. More clinics are also needed; at least a clinic per ward to avoid long distances people travel to access clinics Matabeleland North does not have a Provincial hospital.

Madam President, the informal sector is contributing a lot to our economy and all our goods need value addition. Farmers grow produce which rot due to high competition in markets. I urge Government to establish processing plants at strategic centres to ensure their sweat does not end in the rubbish pits.

Madam President, I hope my input will be considered by those in office to alleviate the suffering of our people and to improve our economy through the Government ZIM ASSET Blue print. I thank you.

SENATOR TAWENGWA : I move that the debate do now adjourn.


Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday, 29th January, 2014.



SENATOR MASHAVAKURE: I move the motion standing in my name that:

COGNISANT OF THE many challenges faced by learners with disabilities at all educational levels.

TAKING INTO ACCOUNT national curriculum and qualification requirements,

ALSO COGNISANT OF the peculiar learning needs of specific disability groups, drawing from the wealth of knowledge and experience from products and beneficiaries of inclusive education, mainstreaming and integration in Zimbabwe, the SADC region as well as other international best practices from elsewhere in the global village;

GUIDED BY the observations, comments and recommendations of the Nziramasanga Presidential Commission Report with particular regards to Special Education,

Now, therefore recommends that-

i) Government crafts a National Policy on Special Needs Education to give general guidance and direction to the development of special education, to the learning environment, the training and responsibilities of Special Education practitioners, the role and responsibilities of institutions involved in such education and training of persons with disabilities.

ii) Government enacts legislation on Special Needs Education to enforce the National Policy on Special Needs Education, and to regularise the national response to the diverse educational requirements of variously disabled persons and to create a facilitatory environment wherein learners’ disabilities can benefit fully from the fruits of all national educational polices and programmes.


SENATOR MASHAVAKURE: Thank you, Madam President,

for those who might have come across something that I wrote, I will not be reading but I will just be taking some of the points from there. In any case what is there is totally different from what we have on print, so if I start reading all of us will get lost.

MADAM PRESIDENT: Senator Mashavakure, when the President of the Senate or whoever is in the Chair says Notice of Motion Number whatever, he then calls the name of the Senator who is the mover of the motion. That Senator is supposed to confirm and say Notice of Motion as per the number mentioned. So let us do it over again.

SENATOR MASHAVAKURE: Thank you Madam President the issue before us that this motion tries to address is a bit of a jungle that needs taming and that can only be done courtesy of our Government through its responsible structures. When we speak about education, we are not just talking about the primary or secondary bit. We are actually talking about everything educational, including the training programmes that this nation undertakes. In other words, it includes even those that are run by the Ministry of Higher and Tertiary Education, Science and Technology Development and other ministries which may be involved in training. The problem with learners with disability starts off as usual, with negative perceptions and negative attitudes that are bound in our society and it is always difficult for them to be placed on an equal footing with other learners.

Generally, they are not considered to be very relevant to what is considered in the education system. Sometimes even the learned education classes who are even more dangerous to the disabled because they yield so much power in terms of their literacy that they can even quote all sorts of authorities, written and otherwise to prove that maybe educating a disabled person is as good as nothing. The problem can also start with the family, where you find that in a family it is not always the case that a disabled child would be prioritised to attend school at the expense of other non disabled children. Generally, societal logic says that, it is better to take this non disabled child to school than to put one with disability through the education system. They think that it is not very beneficial. Normally, some of these family units would rather transfer some of these responsibilities – educating a child with disability to a Non Governmental Organisation or even to the State.

Of course, we should not forget that sometimes it is out of genuine poverty that these families cannot do whatever they are required to do for the benefit of the child and so the situation is a bit complicated and sophisticated. Furthermore, there is the issue of the availability of schools; a lot of people think that it is better for all children, including those with disabilities, to learn at the local the nearest school to their home. You will always find that there are challenges associated with this desire or their wish because most of these schools are ill-prepared to enroll persons with disabilities. Even the ordinary disability like physicals that can move but sometimes need to assistance of crunches and wheelchairs, the parents cannot afford to provide such things and again the school obviously cannot be expected to be able to provide such things because in any case, it is not their role to be able to give such things.

Equipment and other items to be used say braille books and hearing aids and things like that are not always available in local community schools and therefore it complicates the whole thing. The best scenario that arises is that learners must go to distant boarding schools or special schools or schools with resource units where they can learn as a group and facilities provided. Even that brings its own challenges in bringing the child to school in the company of an aide or relative and the high cost of the boarding fees, which all of us know about these days. If the parent cannot pay for the fees at a local school which is supposed to be cheaper, what about the fees at a boarding school which most of it ranges from US$400 to US$600 per term.

Again, we find that there are other issues that come in there for instance, what happens when they get to school, what do they learn and who decides what they learn? A lot of people will agree that actually learners with disabilities, like everybody, will be taught whatever is prescribed by the national curriculum. I think for many years, we have been able to do that and I think in the recent past there has been some disturbing developments, especially with regard to learners with visual impairment whereby they have been discouraged or excluded from studying subjects like mathematics and science. That has its problems later because, when you want to go to some of these training institutions like universities and other tertiary vocational colleges, they want to see that you did some mathematics at O level, at least up to A level. That creates problems for them because they cannot enroll to some of those places because they will not have studied mathematics or science. The result is that they cannot be allowed to participate in the course that they want to participate in.

You know what happens, it means in the world of visually impaired, a lot of them end up being driven into the streets. They have to do a bit of singing which we are all familiar with. My worry is that in the past, we were able to do some of those subjects. Visually handicapped students were able to do those subjects with no problem but, for some reason, these days; there are schools where children are being prevented from studying mathematics and science. I do not know why, because for instance, in my learning days, my specialist teacher, who transcribed the Braille into print for my teachers to mark was a Standard 6 teacher who had not gone to secondary.

He was able to translate those materials from Braille to print. The teachers who taught me at secondary, marked those and they knew what those signs meant. But, for some reason, now some of the kind of specialist teachers that we have, who did O level or A level, cannot do that now. They may end up encouraging learners to drop off from those particular subjects. There is also the other possibility that, even the ordinary teachers who will be teaching the subjects, may not be comfortable teaching a blind learner, because they are not trained to handle such situations.

It could be that both scenarios, that is the specialist teacher as well as the mainstream teacher, are being unable to handle the situation and that results in trouble for the future of the particular blind learner. For those that are not in the know, when I say mainstream teacher and specialist teacher, a specialist teacher is the one who is trained to deal with the Braille. In Zimbabwe at the moment, it is done at the United College of Education in Bulawayo. Long back, they used to do it in Mt. Mulanje College in Malawi. Later, it was done at Waddilove. It was done there for some years and later, they stopped it. I was taught by people who had come from Waddilove and Mt. Mulanje. I do not know what could be happening with United College of Education or something in between. I think this is an issue which is very important. It needs urgent attention because people are being disadvantaged from proceeding on certain courses because of this problem.

Another area which needs attention is that of the hearing impaired. They cannot comfortably access or be accommodated by the public examination system in Zimbabwe. Those students cannot hear and they cannot speak the way that we do.

So when they write, obviously the ordinary marker who does not know that the person who has written that particular manuscript, is a hearing impaired, he thinks that the student was just joking and he marks him/her down. Now with this new Constitution that we have adopted in the country, sign language has been made a national language. I hope that this will help the situation of learners with hearing impairment. They are making sure that even ZIMSEC adapts its systems to cater for this particular long standing need which has been around with us for quite some time. Attention should also be given to the couching classes.

A lot of us know them as special classes. In ordinary schools wherever they find people, they refer them to special classes. But, there are people who think that these are meant to provide remedial tuition to learners who may be lagging behind in terms of spelling, reading or mathematical or numerous skills. Yet, a lot of parents find these convenient places where they can put their own disabled children, especially those with mental and intellectual challenges and hearing impairments.

I think we cannot condemn them because that is what they can afford and that is convenient to them. It is closer to home but, one wonders whether they really get value in terms of the education that these particular groups receive. One wonders whether they really get value in whatever they receive in those circumstances. The teacher in the special class has to deal with all sorts of people starting from slow learners. As I said earlier, they could be having problems with spelling, reading and mathematics, and then this particular one hearing impaired and another one intellectual mental challenges.

I think Government has to step in and start ordering the situation so that it is possible for some of these special classes to be turned into cross disability facilities. Whoever joins them, can meaningfully benefit from whatever is being provided or whatever can be provided by the particular teacher or else, strengthen advisory services relevant and appropriate divertive services that could be used by parents to see where their children really fit.

The other big problem is that when we come to training at the training institutions, that is why I said, when we talk about the education of the disabled learner, we look at every aspect including the higher and tertiary, whatever ministry may be training a sweeper or a cleaner to do whatever they do. The institutions responsible for this are not always prepared for the eventuality that one of the days; they might get a disabled student or learner in their systems. So, there are always problems and the result in most cases is that, the learner is rejected and the college cannot accept that particular student.

I was talking to somebody called Andrew Mutambisa and Sister Catherine who are in charge of this Dorothy Duncan Braille Library along Five Avenue, between Third Street and Fourth Street. They were telling me that they received a lot of people who got blind in their teens or in adulthood. After providing them with self help skills like being able to read Braille, walk alone, cook and maybe assert themselves in terms of whatever, learning computers and so forth, they then want to go…

MADAM PRESIDENT: Hon. Senator Timveos, you may not read or write like what you are doing right now when you are in the House. That is why at the beginning of every session, I ask Hon. Senators to put your cell phones on silent. Thank you.

SENATOR MASHAVAKURE: After training them in all these skills, a lot of them now want to go back to the education system to access training in some course. They get rejected by some of the colleges even if they have passed all these other subjects because sometimes, they will have passed them before losing their sight. I do not know Madam President, if I am allowed to give names, just in case I may not be allowed, there is an institution which used to train visually impaired people who would become rehabilitation technicians, what you would generally call physiotherapy.

These days they are refusing to take people into that course and people are just wondering why? Some of those people that I am talking about, I have been told that at Dorothy Duncan Braille Library, they are allowed to go and train there but they could not and it involves several others in other parts of the country who have tried it and they have not been successful. I think I heard rumours of others who have tried but they were disqualified on the grounds that maybe they did not do mathematics or science. All these are issues that need a special needs education framework to sort them out or to tame the jungle. You also find that…

MADAM PRESIDENT: You asked whether it is proper for you to mention the name of an institution. You see, they will not be able to respond to whatever you would have shared with us here. It might be negative and they will not be able to protect themselves, so you may not mention the name of the institution.

SENATOR MASHAVAKURE: Thank you Madam President, I have not mentioned them.

MADAM PRESIDENT: I know you have not but you asked whether you could and I am saying no because that institution will not have the privilege of coming to defend themselves in this Senate.

SENATOR MASHAVAKURE: Thank you very much. People will also get all sorts of claims and allegations. For instance, some of these people who pay school fees, at not just one but many boarding schools in the country, for disabled learners, somehow find out that they are paying school fees, for example for Mashavakure and maybe Senator Carter and Senator Chief Charumbira are also paying for Mashavakure, but at the end of the year, when the new year comes around, the same school is not willing to say that this child’s school fees was paid for three times last year by three different people. They will still claim that you must pay fees and yet they already have, maybe, school fees for three years.

So, some of those things are things which need the State’s attention by way of intervention through coming up with a special needs education policy, to sort of tame the jungle as I said, to make sure that everything is done above board and the special needs education area is properly run and administered. It is in light of these things that I would like to call upon this august Senate to recommend to Government that urgent attention be taken to put in place the National Special Needs Policy as well as a Special Needs Education and Training Act or Bill to administer affairs in the special needs education sector. That will set the parameters and guidelines for how special needs education needs to be practiced and experienced in this country. As well as to provide the framework for the professional and ethical conduct of special needs education practitioners and the institutions that train them, as well as those institutions and their staff who offer educational and training facilities to learners with disabilities at all levels. And lastly, to combat and confront negative attitudes and societal prejudices against disability by law. Thank you Madam President.

*SENATOR SHIRI: Thank you Madam President, may I please be allowed to make my contribution while seated. I will start by congratulating and thanking Hon. Mashavakure for raising this pertinent motion, which is very constructive and very educative especially to the people of Zimbabwe. This motion also encourages that disabled children should be educated in a core curriculum programme, whereby they will share facilities with other children who are not disabled. This motion also calls for children living with disabilities to learn and play with children who are not disabled.

Madam President, I say so because in our day to day living, disability is something which is very unusual. To other people it is a frightful situation and to some, living with a disability seems to be contagious. The problem with being disabled is that people view people living with disability as people who are down trodden, they are demonised and this is really painful. I say so because there are different forms of disability. As one of the people living with disability, we usually want to correct the language used against us. It is very painful when we hear adults or children talking to people saying that disabled person, that blind person. You find that, according to the language used, it is equivalent to talking as if you are referring the person to a baboon, spook, that nonsense. Let us use polite language. Let us talk of a woman living with a man with a disability, how would you feel hearing people talking to him as if he is a creature with some inhuman elements? Living with a disability is not of our liking.

I will now turn to the living conditions of people living with disabilities. You will find that as soon as a child is born with a disability in a family, there is chaos in that family because that child is seen as a disgrace to the family. That child is hidden behind closed doors, so that he does not share the same facilities and play with other children. That child is not catered for in the rightful manner as is done to other children without disability. We find that the child with disability is not treated as a human being but as a thing. The child is deprived of the right to education. The whole of that child’s life is also delegated to the dust bins. Even if he was capable of going to school, that right is denied.

We also call upon the Ministry of Education that children living with disabilities which can be compatible to education, should be given that chance to access education in neighborhood education facilities but you find that when the child with disability comes to look for a place at that school, the Head of the school or whoever is responsible for offering places will tell you that your child will have problems coming to school. We even heard some educationists with foul mouths, referring to the child, saying the child is going to scare other children and they are not allowed to share facilities with your child because the other children fear disability.

As one of the people living with disability, does it mean to say that, now that I only have one leg, I am a monster? No, I am able to move everywhere I want and do whatever I want. All I need in my daily living is to be given access to facilities in order to carry on with my life. I am not trying to source for sympathy because if I do not have that, how can we live in harmony? I will always be a burden.

Children living with disabilities have lots of problems. Training colleges that train teachers should also avail enough education so that they cope with children living with disabilities. Their curricula should include taking care of the education of the disabled children. They should be equipped with ability of using sign language. I will give a very good example. I may try to use my sign language in this august Senate but very few of the hon. senators will be able to translate the sign language. Let us learn to use the sign language.

We also encourage social care givers such as the police to learn and be equipped with sign language so that they can communicate with disabled children. Also in the schools, a child with a missing limb/organ of the body should be able to be given that education because we need to make education facilities compatible to that disability. If it is getting into a building, ramps could be built, if it is using toilets they can be constructed in such a way that such children can easily access them.

I heard of some schools whereby facilities have been converted in order to cater for the disabled children. The children in that particular school will also be offering their services to wheel that child from one post to the other so that the parents will wait to take over at the gate with the rest of the other parents. On the contrary, adults try and dissuade their children from playing with the child living with disability. They seem to give their children the impression that disability is contagious and in the classes, the child with disability should sit at the front bench near the teacher so that the child observes the teacher’s lip movement, hence communicate with the teacher effectively.

With children, they are prepared to share whatever they are learning in school because children are very accommodating. They will cope with the disability of their colleague and share. Children also learn the sign language but the challenge they face is that this is not a regulation in the Ministry of Education. So, if a school Head denies that child access to the school, it is just left like that because no regulation enforces school Heads to accept children with disabilities in their institutions.

Some of these disabled children are the future leaders and inventors of gadgets and tools which will improve our future. These children have abilities starting from Early Childhood Development (ECD), the primary schools and even universities. The children have problems in accessing educational facilities. Why should a child living with disabilities have problems in accessing educational facilities? We have to plead, cry and threaten in order to access the education facilities but we believe education is a right to every child in the country. Even when you want to go for training in the hospitals, these children should access them easily, the disabled and the elderly.

I stand for about five hours so that the people who work in the offices upstairs come and give me service at their convenience because they will just ignore me. This really frustrates somebody, hence you hear people saying that people living with disabilities are very harsh and cannot cope with stress. That is not the case. You will be frustrated because of the neglect extended to you when you need to be served.

We have parents who deny their children the right to share and play with children living with disabilities. Disability is not something which we asked for but is God given. It is not a punishment from God because we sinned against him but children have a right to play. We know that if children are allowed to go to school and be educated even after successfully completing their education, there is a problem in securing jobs because as soon as you are called for interview, your papers show that you are equally qualified and you are disabled. They definitely call you to the interview but they then have another committee after the interview to debate on your disability whether you will be able to cope with the existing facilities and that institution where you are seeking employment. Is it a problem for these institutions to refurbish access to their buildings so that the disabled can also feel comfortable?

People who have had disabilities in their marriages especially the women, the mothers-in-law will threaten suicide if their son tries to marry a disabled woman. Definitely, we need to correct our attitude, we need to correct our living standards, and we need to build a Zimbabwe that has a way of living in harmony with people living with disabilities. We need to know that people living with disabilities are human beings; they need to access the existing facilities and use them. We also need pathfinders who will create a good path for people living with disabilities.

My biggest plea is for parents to allow their children to share facilities and learn together with children living with disabilities. Unfortunately, in Zimbabwe we need to change our culture as we seem to be saying, disability is contagious. We also need have public sign posts which are written in Braille so that children with disabilities can share that information. Even the documents should be written in Braille so that children living with disabilities or visually impaired can share that information. We should not leave the disabled behind, we should not segregate the disabled, we should be living in a place whereby people living with disabilities are living in harmony with the able bodied.

My other plea is, when you see an individual; first of all, see that the individual does not think of disability. I plead with committees that run these schools to create space for pupils living with disabilities. At times, it is a problem for parents with a child living with disabilities because disability facilities can only be found in urban areas. Parents have to travel long distances to access them. Parents of children with disabilities also have problems where they cannot go to the farms, they cannot go to look after cattle; they will be looking after these disabled children. These parents also have problems in transporting the children from their homes to their schools because these buses will look down upon people with disabilities because the buses will be competing in their roads for passengers and therefore they feel somebody who is disabled, especially in their movement with crutches, will delay them and hence the competitor will pass them whilst they are loading one person and carry more passengers in the end.

I will now turn to institutions of learning. When you look for a place for a child living with disabilities at an educational institution, the headmaster of the institution tells you that his institution does not have facilities compatible with the disability of the learner and thus the child is disadvantaged. My belief is that this motion is going to be adopted and create a Zimbabwe which has laws created by us representatives of the people so that they are capable of living a good life. People living with disability should be able to compete in the sporting field with able bodied learners. We need to correct our language and our culture in reference to people living with disability. We should not talk of a disabled person but a person living with disability, disability is not inability, these people are very useful in our society and country. Thank you.

SENATOR KHUMALO: Thank you Mr. President for giving me this opportunity to discuss the motion on the disabled. It is surprising that in most places we visit, there are no facilities to enable easy access by people living with disabilities. In some places, there are no rails for those who need the support to access these places.

I will now turn to road traffic and look at robot controlled intersections, there are no robots for easy access by people who are visually impaired or have some disabilities. In some countries, they have installed buttons which enable people living with disabilities to easily access these roads and know that they are supposed to walk here. They are taught how to safely cross these roads but in our country we do not have such facilities.

I had a serious experience with disabled women who could not speak; she had experienced gender based violence where she was staying so she thought she had to go to the police to report that she was being abused where she stays. So when she reached the police station, she tried to explain using sign language but unfortunately nobody was able to understand the signs. She cried in desperation and decided to go back home so that by the time her abusers come from work they will find her at home. She was struggling to ask the police to take her back home but they could not do that because they did not understand the sign language she was using until somebody amongst them remembered that there was a person living nearby who could interpret the sign language. When the person came the lady had to re-count her ordeal and she was afraid of getting home late and find the abuser home and angry.

However, I think every public institution should be encouraged to be well versed in dealing with people living with disabilities such as sign language. We need to learn that at places of employment, where there are people, and all police stations should have people who can use the sign language and be understood. I am not saying that I personally understand that sign language but at least we need that education so that we can help people living with disability.

When I was doing a certain research project on people living with disabilities, I came across a woman who was visually impaired who narrated that when she is left at home alone, there was a certain male relative who would come and sexually abuse her. But when she narrates her ordeal to her relatives, they would contradict with her because of her visually impairment. They would ask how she knew the perpetrator and ask “how did you know, how did you see this person because you are blind”. She would answer saying “I can hear that it was so and so”. They would deny my evidence and say nobody can believe you in a court of law, so let us keep quiet, let us not say anything about it because if we say something, they will ask how you are able to identify an individual when you are visually impaired. So these are some of the issues that we need to undertake so that we help people living with disabilities.

When we went to one of the places, when we were doing this same research, there was a woman who was in a wheelchair, she said she had gone to the police. At the Police Station, they invited her to come into the building. At that station they did not have a ramp to allow easy access by wheelchair but they wanted this poor somebody to come in their office. They did not want to go out of their office and talk to this woman. We are saying can the Government help the disabled and ensure that wherever there is a complainant who is supposed to report his or her case, there should be easy access to such facilities, whatever type of disability. All police stations should have officers who can communicate in sign language.

Gender abuse is rife in women, especially the disabled because we are not taking them seriously. In most cases, we hide what they would be saying because we feel that will bring shame to the family and embarrassment to the community. I am also begging the Senate that the disabled to be recognised.

Employment, why are they not in the police force, they do not need to be policeman or woman but they can be employed as secretaries or other ancillary workforce. Why are they not employed in the Ministry of Health and Child Care? Can we make sure they get into these places, they need to take care of their families, and they have their own livelihoods. I think the Government has to do more and educate us more on the sign language so that we can also understand what the disabled people are saying. Thank you.

SENATOR MUTSVANGWA : Thank you Mr. President. I would like to thank the mover of this motion and the seconder Senator Mashavakure and Senator Shiri. You could hear the passion as they were presenting the case of the disabled. I happened to have worked for a long time with an association which deals with elderly and what I discovered more than anything else, is that human beings tend to ignore what we do not live with day to day. Yes we agree the Government should put more money, yes we do agree that Government should craft a national policy on Special Needs Assessment on Education, but we need to do a lot to change the attitude of our people. What is required maybe, it starts from this august Senate as representatives of the people, do we know the number of disabled people in our constituencies? Have you ever been able to bring them together and just understand the challenges they go through day to day. I was listening to Senator Shiri speaking, her experience of not being able to get on the bus, missing her workshop simply because she is disabled. She took time to talk about ngationei munhu tisati taona hurema and I think that is attitude more than anything else. We need to work a lot on our people to change their attitudes. We need also to teach our corporate companies - it is easy to raise money for HIV or other things like that. Once you go out there trying to raise money, even to feed the elderly is a big challenge. It is an awareness campaign which is required and we know what our Government is going through.

The people of Zimbabwe have spoken and I happened to be in the Constitution making process. As we were going round, the fact that now the disabled of this country are represented in this country cannot be taken for granted and that came from the people of Zimbabwe. Let them be bombarded with information about the challenges of disabilities. Let them be bombarded about what it means to be disabled and that there is that potential. She spoke about the fact that, if you do not give them a chance - tinoziva sei zvipo zvirimumunhu akaremara. There are families who they have a disabled child. They actually look after that child better than any other able-bodied child and I think, this is what we want as a society that when we have somebody who is disabled, let us put much more than what we put on an able person. I think if we do that, we will really get somewhere.

It is also a question of funds and we hope as we move on as a country and as representatives of the people, we will all sing from one hymn book. We need sanctions removed on Zimbabwe. We need Zimbabwe to be left alone and be able to get all the capital which can get into the country so that all these buildings where there is no accessibility for the disabled are refurbished because it is enshrined in the Constitution now. All what we want is capital injection into the economy so that we adhere to what is in the Constitution.

Every building should have some kind of accessibility to all disabled people. Mr. President, I thank you very much for giving me this opportunity.

+SENATOR HLALO: Thank you Mr. President. I would like to thank the mover and seconder of the motion. What I would want to add is that, I am really happy that there was mention of Mr. Jairos Jiri. Mr. Jairos Jiri was a man, in fact, he was a father who wanted to see to the welfare of the disabled people and also to see how they could be helped. As I was growing up, I grew up in Mzilikazi where the Jairos Jiri centre is. The Jairos Jiri Centre was a place where all the disabled people can be helped. It was run properly but then the place grew too big and Mr. Jairos Jiri could no longer run it. So, it was taken over by the Government. That is when things started going down.

The able-bodied people are the ones who have messed up things for the disabled and in most cases, the able-bodied people are the ones who represent the disabled. It is difficult for someone who is not disabled to talk with passion, like the way a disabled person would. As I am, I cannot talk on behalf of women because I do not know the pains that the women go through. What I am saying is that, the problem is that able bodied people are the ones who are not representing the disabled. I think that is where the mistake is. Jairos Jiri Centre was formed in the 1950s and if only we had people who were consistently representing the disabled, the way he used to do but because of greed we want to take over everything and say we now represent these people.

I think this should be a calling and that is what we do not have here in Zimbabwe. Most of us take positions in order to save people but we end up being the ones who are saved by the people. I think that is where the problem is. We must go back to where Jairos Jiri started off and see to it that we resuscitate that institution and allow those people who work in the institution to work and see to their day to day running. Yes, we know that Government has given us people to represent the disabled. We must listen to them when they speak and we must assist in all ways possible so that they attain their wishes.

I think we contribute towards destruction by allowing those people who are not passionate about the disabled to run these institutions. We should go back to Jairos Jiri to find out what exactly they want or maybe we should go back to the disabled and find out how they want their institutions to be run. With these few words, I thank you.

*SENATOR MAWIRE: Thank you Mr. President, for affording me this opportunity to make my contributions. I would like to thank the movers of this motion on people living with disabilities, Senator Mashavakure supported by Senator Shiri. It is true that as a country, we look down upon people living with disabilities. In most cases, we cannot blame the public because we find that in our culture, we have not talked about living with people with disabilities, because we have been divided by our colonial past and therefore, I beg leave for visa’s so that we promulgate some legislation which is going to create harmony in the lives of people who live with disabilities. For passing on the education of and co-operation to the many levels of the people of Zimbabwe so that they sympathise and empathise with people living with disability. Disability is not punishment from God, it is not a sin, the Hon. Shiri and has many of these people have a great talent which can be of great use to the people. You will find that these are very intelligent be they young or old people.

Let me turn to the sports regarding people living with disabilities I remember we had one of the finest runners in this country called Elliot Mujaji and every time when he was in the sports field, we knew that we will get a gold or silver medal in the athletic field and we thank him for that. He gained all this in the athletic field despite his disability. Therefore, as a country, let us embrace people living with disability, let us create facilities which can be of assistance to their disability like the Jairosi Jiri. I remember in Zimunya we have a Jairosi Jiri Association which used to assist people living with disability. Even the slow learners were also trained in handy work so that they can make a living. They manufactured very good baskets which where even exported and this brought money in the country. They used to manufacture shoes, bags and different artifacts.

Therefore, as the people of Zimbabwe, let us learn to live in harmony with people living with disabilities. As the leadership of the nation and as Members of Parliament, I think what we need to do is that in our learning institutions where there are people living with disabilities, we need people who are able bodied to take care of these people. Therefore, in all institutions, including sports fields, hospitals, learning facilities, we also need to see that these people living with disabilities are given jobs to lead such institutions, so that people are able to say that disability is not inability. Anyone who is disabled can be able to lead an institution. Thank you Sen. Mashavakure for introducing this motion and thank you Sen. Shiri for supporting such a noble motion.

I also hope and trust that we are going to create a harmonised atmosphere for people living with disabilities so that they progress in the country. I thank you Mr. President.

*SENATOR MACHINGAIFA: Thank you Mr. President, for affording me this opportunity to make my contribution on this noble cause which has been introduced by Sen. Mashavakure seconded by Sen. Shiri. It is a painful experience I remember when I was growing up I experienced some of these problems.

This man called Jairosi Jiri, we talked about for some years. He was a very kind man who did not even go to school and obtained a degree in learning how to sympathise and empathise with the disabled. But it was something within him that he grew up to love and care for the disabled. When the institution started growing up and when people with degrees started getting into the institution, that is when he started getting into problems. You will find that with visually impaired people, he might put on a black shoe, a black tie and when people with an ability dress them, they do so in contrast colours because they think they do not see. In this country, we once had a talented musician Paul Matavire, and we were told that he was convicted of rape and yet he was visually impaired, we are discussing about the views of able bodied people regarding the disabled people.

There are two views regarding people living with disabilities. The first one is the people who train these people who are disabled so that they can live with other people in harmony. We need people who are merciful and when I was growing up, I looked at these people as I was living with these people. I grew up in a mining village where we had social welfare departments in this ministry and they were in the Chamber of Mines. These were the people who used to support the programmes initiated by the Government. But, the mines would implement these problems of assisting the disabled I will not to make it a point that we all understand what we are talking about. We need to create a culture of sympathy and empathy and understand that at any organisation we need to have a specialist secretary to be employed at that particular place. That person will be given a special car and other allowances for him to be able to live well at that place because he is somebody who is valued. The person who can be assist getting the lifts in the buildings. We need to have such situations in with money to store safety gadgets in the buildings. If you do not have money to store those gadgets, you look like somebody who is cruel. In order for us to get the money to create this environment, sanctions must be removed first so that we have enough funds to make the disabled access the building. I thank you Mr. President.

SENATOR MOHADI: Thank you. Mr. President I would also like to add my voice but before that, I would like to thank the mover of the motion Hon. Sen. Mashavakure and the seconder Hon. Sen. Shiri. This is a very painful motion because we are talking about the disabled. it is really a thorny issue because these people, we look down upon them most of the times. But, you find that most of the times it is not of people’s liking but it is because of the circumstances that fall around them. Let me tell you that it is very easy to monitor these people in the constituencies. I will give an example. In my constituency, we have got three schools which take care of the disabled. You will find that during the school times, they will be doing everything that is social. They integrate with all other students and do all the games with other pupils at school. But, when they go to classrooms; that is when they separate. You will find that even at church, we have choirs in our church of which I will not mention by name, whereby they can sing and we enjoy their music. In these schools, they put on the same uniform with other students. They play in the play ground where other students are.

Let me also tell you that in our area, in a certain ward, we have a pilot project whereby we have the disabled, having a gardening project. They group together and have their project. Also, we have another project where the disabled are making baskets for sale. As we go on, you will find that sometimes, there are some circumstances that force other things to happen. In speaking about these disabled people in my constituency, you will find that, we have got a problem of migration. All the disabled people in Beitbridge have had a lot of money by crossing to the next town in Musina whereby these disabled people flock. They are all over the shore. There is no mechanism of controlling them. As a result at the end of the day, you feel as though these people are being neglected because when they get there, they have nowhere to sleep nor do they have anywhere to drink water. They have no fixed aboard.

What do we do? I think it is a duty of us all to come up with a plan on how best we can assist these people because they are really in need. We know that they are supposed to get some money from social welfare, of which I think is very little. It cannot sustain them hence we need to look after these people. What do we do under such a condition where the migration has taken a stall and how best can we assist them? This is one of the issues that I thought I should put forward. Thinking about them, thinking of assisting them because we know they have difficulties and we have to help them in our constituencies. But, what about those who migrate everyday in their lives, how best can we assist them? I thank you.

SENATOR MUSAKA: Thank you Mr. President. I also wish to thank Senator Mashavakure and Senator Shiri who raised the issue of the disabled people. However, I wish to share experiences here. I do not want to take the dim view that the Zimbabwean society is derogatory; it does not respect disabled people. I wish to make it very clear, may be it is upbringing. I think out of every five hon. senators here, there must be a disabled person in their family. I am one of them. I just want to sensitise the hon. senators that, let us not take an emotional view that the Zimbabwean society does not respect the disabled. We respect them.

In my own society where I come from, the disabled are respected. We take care of them. All I can say is that resources are needed to develop their talent. The idea has been mentioned which brought in a lot of honour to this country. I think that is what I would want to emphasise on. Resources should be made more available to develop them and to develop their talent. I think that is what this House should zero in on, more than just condemning. Then talking about resources, I also wish to make mention of the sanctions from a different angle.

My fellow senators on the opposition, if they are not aware of the effects of sanctions in this country, it is either they are being dishonest or they just do not know how international trade and investment operates. I will give you an example of how sanctions really impeach on our ability to gather money resources. In international trade, modern day trade, all money passes through Standard Chartered Bank, London or Chase Manhattan in New York. Whatever we do or whatever we sell in big volumes, unless if you come here with a briefcase full of money in the plane, which is not possible - if you sell diamonds in big volumes, an Indian trader, a person from the Middle East wanting to buy a lot of goods, will have to go through the International Monetary system. The man has to go through New York.

Now, because there is the Zimbabwe Democracy Bill, that money cannot pass. The moment all the banks are told, oh! Where is that money going to? They say to Zimbabwe – sanctions and the money is impounded. I want them to take it serious and understand how international trade investment works. So the issue of sanctions on both sides, can we work on it seriously and not just joke or try to make funnies about the way we are doing it in this Senate. It is a serious issue which hampers, stifles and all development cannot take place. I thank you Mr. President.

*SENATOR. CHIMBUDZI: Thank you very much Mr. President, for affording me this opportunity to make my contribution. I also thank the mover of the motion, Senator. Mashavakure supported by Senator Shiri. We all know that disability is a God-given gift. Whether you like it or not, if God feels like giving you that disability, he gives you that disability. We were disturbed in our living by the colonialists because in the past, before the advent of colonialism, you find that in families, whenever a woman gives birth to a disabled child, they will start by denying that child with disability saying the genes of his family do not have disability.

Therefore, I thank Senator Mutsvangwa for calling for the acceptance of people with disability in the family. We need to support them. We have heard people talking about albinos. In the past you find that, if a woman gave birth to an albino, people would sit down and discuss on the livelihood of this child, whether it should be killed. They tell you that the child is to be killed but the mother is not called to come to this forum to debate whether the child should be killed or not. As hon. senators, we need to make corrections to our culture and rebuild it. We need to uphold the honour on the lives of people living with disabilities. The first step towards change towards people living with disabilities should start with us, the members of this august Senate. We need to correct our culture as the people of Zimbabwe. We should know that a child is a child regardless of the disability. A woman who has given birth to a child with a disability may have no friends because she has a child with a disability. In the case of a man, when at a beer drink, people have the courage to tell that man and chide him for keeping the disabled child in his family because as far as people are concerned, a child with a disability is a punishment for God, it is a punishment for sin. Therefore, as people of Zimbabwe we need to change our culture because when we talk about the people of Zimbabwe, we are talking of ourselves. We are the people of Zimbabwe.

When walking around the streets, especially in the City of Harare, you find that a woman who is visually impaired is pregnant and when you look around at who is responsible for that pregnancy, it is an able bodied, well to do man who comes from a beer drink and takes advantage of this disabled woman. We need to change our culture and make noise to make life for these people living with disabilities a good life. They need protection from us.

*SENATOR MAHOFA: Thank you Mr. President for affording me this opportunity to make my contribution. I want to start by thanking Hon. Mashavakure, supported by Hon. Shiri, who introduced this motion on people living with disabilities. We have also called for Government to create programmes for assisting these people living with disabilities. We also need our culture to be changed and accept that disability is not inability.

I have noticed that most of the members have made their contributions and so, I will make my addition to that. If we want to win this war against discriminating against people with disabilities, we should take advantage of the people in the department of Social Services. This department has branches all over our district which gives assistance to the people with disabilities but we need to have a counting procedure, so that we know the number of people who are living with disabilities in the different areas because we have noticed that there are some families who hide these people because they think that they are a shame to the family. Therefore, as Government, we need to be proactive in taking care of the registration of people living with disabilities, so that the officers in every office which is operating in any district, province and constituency, make it a point that they move from door to door or family to family looking for people who are living with disabilities. There are some people who are kept behind closed doors because they are said to be a burden to the family. We know that the ministry should have a department in each administrative district, but you find that this department is not given enough support. Even the manpower in these institutions is not given enough support. When we look at the inputs which are given to these departments, you also find able bodied people scrambling for the goods meant for people living with disabilities.

May I also plead with the chiefs to work with their village heads so that they make a registration of people living with disabilities? I plead with the chiefs because we need to look at families which have people living with disabilities. They should also be in a position to look after the needs of these people. The MPs and the councillors should make it a point that they strive for the welfare of people living with disabilities.

Looking at the schools stated before, we find that there are some institutions which have toilets which do not have facilities for the disabled. People with disabilities accepted into these institutions cannot access these facilities. Therefore, we need to emphasise on this, especially when we talk of the blair toilets in these areas. At least two of these toilets should be equipped with facilities that enable the disabled learner to access these facilities. The Ministry of Education should also be in a position to create hygienic conditions such as friendly toilets for these people living with disabilities.

I have heard of people who have been working hard to assist these people who have problems in walking. Moving around the villages we find that there are children who are not able to walk and instead they crawl. We therefore need to have equipment and facilities for these people so that they move easily. If we do not do that, parents with children living with disabilities will have problems in accessing this equipment and therefore the best they can do for the child is to let that child roam around the yard crawling in the dust. We need to capacitate our institutions so that the councillors and MPs give individual families assistance for the children living with disabilities.

Some of the gadgets that have been installed in buildings are no longer functioning. We need to work hard towards these things. In this august Senate, we find that there are facilities used for people with disabilities but the hoists are no longer working and Members of Parliament living with disabilities have problems in accessing the building. Charity begins at home. We need to put our house in order. You know that when you grow old you have some disability creeping into you and as a result, in the past we used to think the facilities were put for the disabled, but as you grow old you also need to use the facilities used by the disabled people because you also have this disability. I also plead with the President of the Senate. We need to look at the Parliament building. We need to make renovations and refurbishments so that our building has easy access to people living with disabilities.

My last contribution, when you are talking about disability, people take it as a joke but let me say if you go to the airports and the private sector, you will find that people living with disabilities are employed there as accountants, auditors and secretaries. They even go to the universities. Disability does not mean inability. People living with disabilities are also working towards the development of their country. We are neglecting these people living with disabilities at our own peril because these people are intelligent. Given enough chance and support they will help in the development of our country. I thank you.

SENATOR CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: I move that the debate do now adjourn.


Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to Resume: Wednesday, 29th January, 2014.



Third Order read: Adjourned debate on Motion on the need for stricter traffic regulations to curb road carnage on the country’s major roads.

Question again proposed.

SENATOR CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: I move that the debate do now adjourn.


Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday, 29th January, 2014.



Fourth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the harmonisation of existing legislation with the Constitution of Zimbabwe.

Question again proposed.

+ SENATOR W. SIBANDA: Thank you Mr. President. Firstly, I would like to thank the mover of this motion Senator Marava and the seconder. Senator Timveos.

The reason why I stood up hon. Deputy President is because this is in line with the Constitution of Zimbabwe. A lot of money was spent during the making of the new Constitution because we were moving from the Lancaster House Constitution of 1979. I represent people from Matabeleland and am worried as to why the Executive is taking too long to align the new laws with the new Constitution. On the 31st July, people were selected from different provinces of Zimbabwe and these people should be working in their provinces for the development of their provinces.

Now, looking at the new Constitution, it is like we are not giving these people powers to start working for their people. It is taking too long for these people to be placed in their positions so that they start working. There are some people who came to Parliament under the proportional representation (PR) because this is what is in the new Constitution but there is no law that prevents these people start functioning in their respective areas. I have been asked several times by people who are saying to me, we were selected as provincial representatives. When do we start working? Most of these people are from the ruling party. So, it is very important for the Executive to take that and start aligning it with the new Constitution of Zimbabwe. With these few words, I thank you Mr. President.

* SENATOR MAHOFA: Thank you Mr. President, for affording me the opportunity to make my contribution. I thank the mover and supporters of this important motion that has been brought before the Senate.

We all know what is happening and we are aware of the instances. We are in the august Senate, first and foremost, following our Constitution. If we scrutinise from the time we started to date, there are a lot of gaps in our Government, and we know what is in our coffers. It will be good for us to approach this idea with an open mind. As hon. senators, we do not have everything that we need because our coffers are empty. We ask ourselves why?

Let me give you a practical example. I have a nephew studying in South Africa whom I sent school fees in 2013. I sent that money in my name as I had forgotten that I was on the sanctions list. I sent US$1 300.00 through ABC Bank. I was summoned by the manager and informed that the amount that was supposed to get to my protégée in South Africa had been confiscated because I was under sanctions. This surprised me because the money was supposed to go towards the school fees of my nephew. I was told that, because I am in the Central Committee of Zanu PF, therefore, I am part of the people who are supposed to be under sanctions. United States of America had given directives that who so ever is on the sanctions list and intends to send money anywhere, the money should be confiscated. Unfortunately, that money is not returned to the sender but is confiscated.

As a country, we have billions of dollars that was sent through from the sale of diamonds and that was also confiscated. I am trying to enlighten my colleagues to the fact that we all share our resources. I am not content with the money that I am earning because if I am to go abroad and look at salaries earned by our counterparts in South Africa, Botswana and other neighboring countries, they earn a lot of money. We are in the process of rescuing our country, working for nothing and sacrificing our services.

Some people are saying we do not need to be paid but should be patriotic and work for our country. This is painful Mr. President, because every one of us needs money as we also need to support our parties and children. We know that nobody will give their earnings to their Party President, Cde. Mugabe or Mr. Tsvangirai. Every one of us queues for coupons at Parliament because we need to run our country which is in a bad state. As members of this august Senate, we need to speak in unison, we need to live an exemplary life and talk in unison. Everybody of us aspires to have a good living, I felt pain in the past because if I was somebody who could do justice and decide in some instances, can you imagine, I only sent US$1300 which was confiscated, if you look at the amount of money that was confiscated in the name of Zimbabwe, these people need to be sympathetic because they need to look at issues which concern the country.

We lead the people of Zimbabwe; we do not have to go and live in Syria but to live in our country. Therefore, I feel very pained because we need to work together and agree that the country is under sanctions. It pains me to hear some people denying that the country is under sanctions yet I had firsthand experience where my money was confiscated, raising US$1300 is not easy. It pains me to hear some people denying the existence of sanctions, they really exist and they are there.

Let us speak with one word, let us speak with one voice so that whenever there is segregation, the rich will leave their money confiscated or whatsoever and other people are left to live their lives. Please leave us; the poor people of Zimbabwe, let us survive on our own resources. Whether you are MDC or ZANU PF, we are all the same because we live in a country whereby we do not have different shops for the poor people and for the rich, we all buy from the same shops. Therefore, we need to remove these sanctions; we know politics is there to run a country. Therefore, why should our monies be confiscated and we become poor.

As we are debating Mr. President, what we did in the Constitution as a country, we said we need provincial institutions to run the country but this is water under the bridge because if these institutions are founded, what will these people live on. There is no money; already as existing senators, we do not have money. I am earning US$800 monthly and therefore, we need to have more money. Let us remove the sanctions so that we earn reasonable salaries.

Mr. President people should be aware of the fact that no matter what you do, we may change Government, we may change individuals in the particular seats, as long as we are not recognised by other countries as a Government, as long as we are under sanctions, we will always suffer and therefore, even if we hold elections and people have come and won the elections, they should be given what is due to them. Hence, we know we have people who voted in the provincial seats but cannot resume their seats because the country is under sanctions and therefore no wealth to share.

SENATOR CHIEF CHARUMBIRA : I move that the debate do now adjourn.


Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday 29th January, 2014.



Fifth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on cancers.

Question again proposed.

SENATOR CHIEF CHARUMBIRA : I move that the debate do now adjourn.


Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Wednesday 29th January, 2014.

On the motion of SENATOR CHIEF CHARUMBIRA SECONDED BY SENATOR MATHUTHU t he Senate adjourned at Twenty Four minutes to Five O’clock p.m.


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