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SENATE HANSARD 16 JULY 2024 Vol. 33 No. 65
PARLIAMENT OF ZIMBABWE
Tuesday, 16th July, 2024
The Senate met at Half-past Two o’clock p.m.
PRAYERS
(THE HON. DEPUTY PRESIDENT OF SENATE in the Chair)
ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE HON. DEPUTY PRESIDENT OF SENATE
SWITCHING OFF OF CELLPHONES
THE HON. DEPUTY PRESIDENT OF SENATE: Good afternoon Hon. Senators. Hon. Senators, you are reminded to put your phones, your gadgets on silence or switch them off.
MOTION
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF VETERANS OF THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE AFFAIRS (HON. H. MOYO): Thank you Mr. President. I move that Orders of the Day, Nos. 1 and 2 be stood over until the rest of the Orders of the Day have been disposed of.
Motion put and agreed to.
MOTION
REPORT OF THE JUDICIAL SERVICE COMMISSION FOR THE YEAR 2023
Third Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the report of the Judicial Service Commission for the year 2023.
Question again proposed.
THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF VETERANS OF THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE AFFAIRS (HON. H. MOYO): I move that the debate do now adjourn.
Motion put and agreed to.
Debate to resume: Wednesday, 17th July, 2024.
MOTION
REPORT OF THE ZIMBABWE ELECTORAL COMMISSION FOR THE YEAR 2023
Fourth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the report of the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission for the year 2023.
Question again proposed.
THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF VETERANS OF THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE AFFAIRS (HON. H. MOYO): I move that the debate do now adjourn.
Motion put and agreed to.
Debate to resume: Wednesday, 17th July, 2024.
MOTION
REPORT OF THE ZIMBABWE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION FOR THE YEAR 2023
Fifth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the Report of the Zimbabwe Human Rights Commission for the year 2023.
Question again proposed.
THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF VETERANS OF THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE AFFAIRS (HON. H. MOYO): I move that the debate do now adjourn.
Motion put and agreed to.
Debate to resume: Wednesday, 17th July, 2024.
MOTION
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF VETERANS OF THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE AFFAIRS (HON. H. MOYO): Thank you Mr. President, I move that Order of the Day No. 6 be stood over until the rest of the Orders of the Day have been disposed of.
Motion put and agreed to.
MOTION
REHABILITATION OF OPEN MINES BY ARTISANAL MINERS
Seventh Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the need for artisanal miners to rehabilitate open mines.
Question again proposed.
HON. SEN. MACKENZIE NCUBE: Thank you Mr. President. I would like to add a few words to this debate that was moved by Hon. Moyo on the need for artisanal miners to rehabilitate the land which has been scarred all over the country. I would like to start by recognising the significant contributions of artisanal miners to the economy. The way the motion has been couched may indicate that the artisanal miners are not important to the growth of the economy. They contribute to employment and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of Zimbabweans, particularly in the rural areas. They also contribute a significant amount of foreign currency. They are the biggest contributor in terms of gold deliveries to Fidelity in the country. They contribute over 70% of all the gold delivered to Fidelity. As MPs, we must appreciate that we ride on their sweat in terms of foreign currency usage because Parliament, as we all know, is a net consumer of foreign currency. It does not produce any foreign currency but as we buy our cars, which we love driving, we must recognise that a big contribution of that comes from artisanal miners. In some areas, particularly where I come from, a number of businesses have sprouted because of the activities of small scale miners. They provide a significant income for those businesses. It is however true in many ways that there is damaging environmental impact which they cause mostly because they use rudimentary methods of mining. It is important for Government to licence small scale miners and give them the support that they need so that they can mine in a regular way. The way it is being done right now poses health challenges, not only to themselves, but to some of the settlements around their activities. There is also a health issue pertaining to that because they do not stay at a place for a long time. They move from place to place, depending on where gold has been identified.
There are also issues of pollution attached to activities of artisanal miners, which have to be looked at very closely because of the way they use mercury and other chemicals to process gold. That becomes a danger, not only to humans, but also to wildlife. The degradation which takes place in some cases has got a negative impact on the habitat and deforestation must be controlled by positive responses from Government. So, we must encourage the Minister of Mines to give all the support required to assist artisanal miners in terms of their activities because they are an integral part of our economy.
*HON. SEN. BVUMO: Thank you Hon. Chair. I rise to add a few words on the motion on artisanal miners. It is a very good motion and since we started debating on this, we keep on reminding each other that they help us a lot in employment creation as well as accumulating gold reserves. They also boost the businesses around through their activities. I have another opinion pertaining to Government. It is always a call to Government to regularise the small scale miners so that wherever they operate, it should be legal. The problem is, I do not see Government having the capacity to regularise these miners. Why do I say so Mr. President? History has taught us that when there is too much interference in this work, especially from political leadership as well as the abuse of a party name where individuals using the party name will disturb operations, it gives an impression that Government is trying to interfere in a bad way. Such areas have become war zones, for example in Mashonaland West where I come from, especially in the Gadzema area in Chegutu. There are a lot of cases where small scale miners earn their living, but there are some unscrupulous people who get some information that such a mine has struck gold and they go there with fake documentation and start chasing the small scale miners away. It does not give a good picture to such mining activities which contribute positively to the economy. It leads to a lot of retrogressive activities and those areas become war zones. I am sure you have heard of the mashurugwi. Each week you would hear of killings or injuries to some people taking place. Those small scale miners end up forming gangs and these unscrupulous people I referred to would also have their own gangsters. In the evening when they meet, they fight and people in those communities live under such a traumatic environment. So, my wish is, there is need for us to examine what is causing all these problems because we may suggest that there is need for regularisation, but it will remain like that. Right now, we are coming from elections but during election times, we tried to stop them but later on we started mobilising through them. It is as if we are trying to move forward whilst in actual fact we are going backwards. I also would like to look at the impact where there is small-scale mining activities.
There are workshops that we carry out especially with regards to diseases like TB and HIV/AIDS. An assessment that was carried out suggests that one of the major causes of the spread of these diseases is the emergence of artisanal miners. They increase the spread of diseases. Artisanal mining is a very painful job because each time you earn some money, you get a feeling that nothing else is important. So, one of the causes of the spread of HIV/AIDS is the emergence of the small-scale miners who are being allowed to operate without any laws restricting them. The police that are deployed in those areas are the ones who start getting money from the artisanal miners and the problem is that some of the police officers may be the owners of those artisanal mines and that causes a lot of disorder in those areas.
I wish this would be taken seriously, especially if we talk about Government policy, we must implement but we might take the whole year debating, yet there is no action on the ground. We hear of maShurugwi who would have committed murder, but the following day you will find them being protected by political leaders where they operate.
+HON. PHUTI: I will start by saying yes, we know that in mining, we really want what we get from under the ground. What I have noticed is that small scale miners have caused a lot of havoc, especially in Matabeleland region where I come from. They have created more harm than good. Even if you have money, you cannot rectify some of the things that have been damaged.
I come from Mangwe and we no longer have places to stay. If you are herding goats, you cannot shepherd them at night because the miners have dug holes all over even in the kraals. They even mine near homesteads where there are old ladies and grannies who live by themselves. They start mining there. Even in the fields, we cannot plant anything because they will come and do their mining there. We used to have farms that we used as the grazing land for our cattle but now our cattle no longer have places for grazing.
These are not proper mines but they are pegged mines. These are people who will just be mining and putting mercury in drinking water. They will go and mine wherever they go and they put mercury in the water. That is very dangerous for us and also our livestock. We know that we get money from gold but if you go and see the state of the road to Mangwe, there is no road. There are Chinese companies which are doing mining but there is nothing in our hospitals. There are tonnes and tonnes of gold that are being mined from that area.
I would like to talk about these artisanal miners. There are about two or three mines that are properly established but with the rest, they just go anywhere and mine. They just mine willy-nilly. Things are really bad in my area. If your child tells you that he is into mining, I think you must just go and see what exactly they are doing. Here I am talking about children who call themselves ama2ks. These are people who carry weapons like machetes and they are always attacking each other. We do not even know where the bodies are taken to. Most of these miners will be going to Lupane, Zvishavane and some other places.
These ama2Ks are criminals. They do not call each other by name but instead they call each other rasta. After June last year, they killed four people. There is one boy who killed both his mother and father and went to Mangwe. The other one killed his grandmother and also went to Mangwe and another one again killed someone and went to Mangwe. If they fail to kill people, they waylay people who will be going to Mangwe to get transport. So, they wake up at night and waylay those people who will be going to the bus stops.
What is happening in my area is really bad. I have already said that they are all Rastas, so how will you know who the thief is if all of us are Rastas? As we were going around with the HIV Committee, we were told that Matabeleland was leading in HIV cases. It is because of these artisanal miners, but there are these other ladies who are also looking for money. I asked one of the boys what was happening and he told me that they were no longer using condoms but were using empty bread plastic papers. This is what happens.
After five days, there were five people who were suffering from STI. I ferried them in my vehicle to the hospital. They no longer kill people and no longer rape people but they say there are ladies who service them. I have already said that people from Matabeleland South, 20% are people who come from that area but the rest come from other places to do these illegal mining activities.
I have already said these children kill others. You might stay for a long time without seeing the children in your areas, but the children who had gone to Mangwe to do illegal mining crossed the border and went to Botswana. They were arrested there. They have not been tried as yet. They will be detained there for 10 years or so before trial. Some of them were killing others and would bury them wherever. Some of them were killed by the SSGs in Botswana and buried there. Others drowned in the river. This is very painful.
Mr. President, you will hear parents saying their children went to Botswana; they did not go to Botswana, they died before going there. My plea is that Hon. Members, when you go back to your constituencies, please go and find out where the children are. The Hon. Senator here mentioned some of them. He was talking about their seniors and three of them were shot and thrown into the river. When they get money, say in Botswana, they start to kill others. This is a very sad story.
My plea is that there should be a law, and mines should have registers with ID Numbers. That would make it easier for them to catch those who would have killed others because if there is an operation in mines in Gwanda, you will not find them because they will all run away. If someone says that they still want gold, if this is what is happening then it is not good. The police are now criminals, especially in my ward, Mpoengs where I come from. The police from Mpoengs are now the leaders of those criminals. They sent them during the day to go to a mine to see what is happening there. In the evening, they will then go to commit crimes there because there is a lot of corruption going on at the mines. When the police go there, they notice that there are illegal happenings going on at the mines but the police take money from them and let them continue mining. Some people end up losing their children because their children die there yet someone would have benefited from those illegal activities.
The Government should enact appropriate laws and the police should also do their work. Last month, I went to my village. Someone died from the cold. They saw that person in the morning around six but they left him there the whole day and proceeded to the mines to do their illegal activities. The corpse was left in the sun the whole day. Police were running after money ignoring what they are supposed to do. If I were to have a mine, I would not want the police there. I should follow what EMA and what the Ministry of Mines say but the police are now going there. If someone was to hang himself, the police would say they do not have transport to go and take the corpse. If it is a mine, they will rush to the mine. If it were me, the Government should be very strict. The Government should revert to what they used to say that a police officer should stay in an area for six months only. If they take too long in an area, they end up doing illegal activities which they see beneficial. I thank you.
HON. SEN. S. MOYO: Thank you Mr. President Sir. I move that the debate do now adjourn.
HON. SEN. PHUTI: I second.
Motion put and agreed to.
Debate to resume: Wednesday, 17th July, 2024.
MOTION
COMPENSATION TO PENSIONERS AND POLICY HOLDERS BY PENSION AND INSURANCE COMPANIES
Eighth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the reduced value of the Zimbabwean Dollar.
Question again proposed.
*HON. SEN. MUZODA: Thank you Mr. President. I would like to thank you for the opportunity you have given me. I would like to debate on inflation that attacked our money, which led to erosion of value, especially to the pensioners who ended up suffering although they worked hard in preparation for their future.
Mr. President, the truth is as we grew up, we used to admire pensioners who would go to get their earnings from their rural homes but suddenly, things have changed and money has lost value since 2006. Although there was a remedy in 2009 when foreign currency was introduced, that affected a lot of people tremendously because the pension houses where no longer able to pay beneficiaries money to the tune or the value of what it used to be before that era.
The problem is, this money lost value to some people yet to other groups, it did not lose value, for example, the insurance. Although money was said to have lost value, we saw a lot of insurance companies such as NSSA constructing malls yet money had lost value. So, money lost value to ordinary people and gained a lot of value to those who were keeping it. It is so sad.
When are we going to be able to keep our money? When that one lost value, it was assisted by the US$ but when it was converted to US$, pensioners did not get anything up to date, they are still suffering towards the end of the month. Like today going onwards, if you go into towns, you will find people with blankets on verandas. It is no longer possible for someone to travel from Murehwa or Chikomba and travel back before they get their money because it is not possible for them to go back to where they would have asked for money to return. The banks will not provide them with the money for the next four or five days, it is so sad.
Those people who will be sleeping on the verandas are older parents who wish to get their money on time, yet they end up spending three or four days without getting assistance. Madam President, I do not want to say a lot of words but I would like to say these few words. We need to improve the way the pension houses operate and our money must also be valuable so that those who receive it will get benefits from it. In the past, when a retired and his pension came, you would find a kraal filled with livestock and they would buy livestock as a storage of value for the future but these days, someone has to lend you money to go to the bank and you return with nothing to give the person whom you would have borrowed from because money has lost value.
We cannot talk of ZiG which has just been introduced when people were suffering. Yes, ZiG has been introduced and it is strong, but let us keep it that way and not forget about the plight of those who were not able to earn pensions that had value. I will end my debate here and say may Government improve the livelihoods of our pensioners and the elderly so that suffering is reduced in our households. I thank you.
HON. SEN. KUNAKA: Madam President, I think this issue of our dollar depreciation is something of concern, especially citing the general economic situation haunting the nation. Also, there is still uncertainty about how long Zimbabwe will continue to use multiple currencies. The nation is in the yesteryears, it had many economic blueprints, but everything seems to be just short-term goals. This drastic depreciation of the Zimbabwe dollar, has great effect on the macro-economic stability. Currently, the economy has been shifted from productive to a consumptive one. We are not producing but we are just faced with a consumptive economy due to the depreciation of the dollar.
Also, the depreciation of the ZIM dollar led to the introduction of multiple currency. The inconsistent monetary policies that we had in the country also caused a serious decline in some of the industries. The Reserve Bank in the past had actually shifted from its legal mandate. It was just involving itself in some of the quasi fiscal activities of bond printing which also affected the economy and led to serious hyperinflation. Again, the dollar devaluation caused a lot of infrastructure challenges.
Madam President, we can see that in some of the areas, though we tend to applaud on the road rehabilitation, but some areas need attention. In some cases, be it in some Government institutions and even hospitals or what, we are sometimes faced with quite a dilapidated infrastructure owing to the depreciation of ZIM dollar. I think as a nation, even the green revolution in agriculture is also affected by this because we need some of the farming inputs. You need to also invest in infrastructure. Farming is one of the greatest contributors to our GDP.
As a way forward …
HON. SEN. GOTORA: On a point of order Madam President. We cannot hear what she is saying anymore because there is some disturbing noise, we do not know where it is coming from?
THE TEMPORARY PRESIDENT OF SENATE (HON. A. DUBE): I think she is too close to the microphone.
HON. SEN. KUNAKA: As a way forward, I think we need to recapitalise our manufacturing industries through the Central Bank. We appeal to Government for removal of customs duty on imports and maintain interest rates that do not discourage increased investment and all-inclusive financial systems that promote social and economic developments. We require advanced and sophisticated financial markets that can mobilise financial resources. As a nation, we need to come up with strategies to stimulate the growth of SMEs into viable entities as part of boosting industrialisation. Thank you – [HON. SENATORS: Hear, hear.]-
*HON. SEN. ZVIDZAI: I move that the debate do now adjourn.
*HON. SEN. MLOTSHWA: I second.
Motion put and agreed to.
Debate to resume: Wednesday, 17th July, 2024.
MOTION
REPORT OF THE 148TH ASSEMBLY OF THE INTER- PARLIAMENTARY UNION (IPU) AND RELATED MEETINGS
Ninth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion of the Report of the 148th Assembly of the Inter- Parliamentary Union (IPU) and Related Meetings.
Question again proposed.
HON. SEN. MUZENDA: I move that the debate do now adjourn.
HON. SEN. GOTORA: I second.
Motion put and agreed to.
Debate to resume: Wednesday, 17th July, 2024.
MOTION
CONGRATULATORY MESSAGE BE CONVEYED TO HON. SEN. CHIEF CHARUMBIRA ON HIS ASCENDANCY TO THE PRESIDENCY OF THE PAN-AFRICAN PARLIAMENT
Tenth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion that a congratulatory message be conveyed to Hon. Sen. Chief Charumbira on his ascendancy to the Presidency of the Pan-African Parliament.
Question again proposed.
*HON. SEN. TONGOGARA: Thank you Madam President for giving me this opportunity to debate on the motion by Chief Siansali with regards to Senator Chief Charumbira’s post on the Pan-African Parliament. We must applaud the sterling job by Senator Chief Charumbira because there are a lot of countries that had seconded candidates for the Chairmanship but they were not successful and it came to us. If such a thing happens, there is a reason and the reason that I see is we should know where this is coming from. Zimbabwe is a peaceful country emanating from the leadership of President Mnangagwa, because if there is a country marred in violence, it cannot be elected for such a post because they will realise that there will be no progress. Mr. President, this is an honour to our country.
In addition, this comes down to this House because Senator Chief Charumbira belongs to this House. It also cascades to the Chiefs representing various regions which means Senator Chief Charumbira, who was also the President of the Chiefs Council, whilst he was in that Council, was able to discuss with his compatriots, the chiefs in the areas where they lead to be peaceful also. Most of the points have been raised but I also wanted to applaud Sen. Chief Charumbira because this shows that his work is exemplary hence he retained that seat. With these few words, I would like to thank you for the opportunity Madam President.
HON. SEN. CHIEF SIANSALI: I move that the debate do now adjourn.
HON. SEN. CHIEF BWAWANDA: I second.
Motion put and agreed to.
Debate to resume: Wednesday, 17th July 2024.
MOTION
ESTABLISHMENT OF PUBLIC HEMODIALYSIS FACILITIES IN DISTRICTS
Eleventh Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the treatment of chronic kidney diseases in Zimbabwe.
Question again proposed.
HON. SEN. MLOTSHWA: I move that the debate do now adjourn.
HON. SEN. CHIEF SIANSALI: I second.
Motion put and agreed to.
Debate to resume: Wednesday, 17th July 2024.
MOTION
FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO ZUPCO AND PRIVATE TRANSPORT OPERATORS
Twelfth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the adequacy of public transport in the country.
Question again proposed.
*HON. SEN. TONGOGARA: Thank you Madam President for giving me this opportunity to wind up my motion. I would like to start by thanking all the Hon. Members who debated on this motion because this motion impacts on the lives of people. The issue of public transport in this country is very topical and so I hope that if such a motion is debated in this House, the Minister would have come to respond to what was raised by Hon. Senators. There were a lot of questions and suggestions and I expected him to come and follow the debates because some of the questions that were posed in this House would have been done away with. This motion came after realising the problems affecting our people and how they are perishing through accidents on the roads, especially by the pirate taxis as well as the unroadworthy vehicles that end up causing fatal accidents. Since he was unable to come, I think the points have been heard and we await the reaction of the Minister of Transport. Thank you very much Madam President. Finally, I hereby request for the adoption of my motion by this House.
Motion that this House:
DISMAYED by the inadequacy of public transport in the country;
CONCERNED with ever-increasing numbers of unregistered transport operators who illegally provide their services in the public transportation sector;
ALARMED by criminal activities perpetrated to innocent commuters by some of these unregistered operators;
ACKNOWLEDGING the role played by transportation in the development of the nation under harsh economic conditions;
NOW, THEREFORE, calls upon; -
- a) Government to provide financial assistance to both the State-owned Zimbabwe United Passenger Company (ZUPCO) and to private transport operators so that they acquire more vehicles for public transport.
- b) Law enforcement agencies to intensify efforts to identify and apprehend unregistered transport operators who conduct their businesses outside the purview of regulatory oversight.
- c) Law enforcement agents to impose stiffer penalties than ever on individuals found flouting the laws of the country with impunity thereby endangering the lives of the public when conducting their day-to-day activities.
- d) The Traffic Safety Council of Zimbabwe to conduct comprehensive awareness campaigns to both operators and commuters on their rights and responsibilities when using public transportation as a way of promoting compliance and accountability.
- e) Government to increase financial support to the National Railways of Zimbabwe (NRZ) so as to resuscitate its operations thereby providing safer as well as reliable alternative transport to meet public demand, put and agreed to.
MOTION
PSYCHOSOCIAL SUPPORT SERVICES FOR TEENAGE MOTHERS
Thirteenth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the effects of teenage pregnancy.
Question again proposed.
*HON. SEN. TONGOGARA: Thank you Madam President for affording me the opportunity to wrap up the motion. It shows that this was a very important motion because I can see Hon. Senators are still standing up wanting to debate. This shows that it is a very important motion because our children are being impregnated at a young age and they end up failing to continue with their studies. This was observed and it also came out from the debates that we got here.
All the Hon. Senators were really hurt about what is happening to our children who end up dropping out of school. As I said earlier on, I would like to reiterate that after having such motions, we will be expecting our Ministers to appear and respond to what action they will take in order to prevent such things from happening because children end up not attending school. Be that as it may, we will continue bringing these motions so that things can be rectified.
I implore you Madam President to encourage Ministers and the Executive that if such matters come before the House, they should also find an opportunity for them to come and respond to what the Senators are saying. I say so Madam President because I have only seen one Minister appearing to respond to the debates that came from the House. I recall it was a motion on gender. There are others who know that if such motions are brought, they should also come so that they know what is happening out there.
I would like to thank you for affording me this opportunity to wind up this motion.
Motion that:
ACKNOWLEDGING that teenage pregnancy mainly affects the girl child and perpetuates cycles of vulnerability and inequality which impact negatively on gender parity in education;
AWARE that the Constitution of Zimbabwe and the Education Act Cap 25: 04 provide for equal opportunities in education for all children, regardless of gender and prohibits the exclusion of pupils from school based on their pregnancy status;
CONCERNED that despite existing legal frameworks, the teenage pregnancies remain the leading cause for girls dropping out of school
MINDFUL that young mothers face a myriad of challenges which impede on their return to formal education;
NOW, THEREFORE, calls upon:
- The Ministry of Public Service, Labour and Social Welfare to provide psycho social support services to teenage mothers when they return to school after giving birth.
- The Ministry of Primary and Secondary Education to conduct awareness campaigns to foster a supportive and inclusive environment within schools and communities, ensuring pregnant students are not subjected to discrimination and have access to necessary support services i.e. setting up child protection committees in schools, put and agreed to.
MOTION
REPORT OF THE DELEGATION ON THE ELECTION OBSERVATION MISSION TO RUSSIA
Fourteen Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the report of the Delegation on the Election Observation Mission to Russia on Russian Presidential Elections.
Question again proposed.
*HON SEN. TONGOGARA: I would like to thank all those who managed to debate on this report. I notice that this report is very good because what we saw is exactly what we reported in this House taking into consideration how the Russian elections went about. The most important thing that I think can assist us very much is that in Russia, they use built up infrastructure, they close down the schools because that reduces the budget instead of hiring tents and other facilities.
We observed that they also voted electronically. We have not reached that stage yet, but it is something that when you see and learn, you wish to upgrade to that level. If you are to go somewhere where there is an event, you do not choose, but you are chosen by the leaders. So, I would like to applaud my deployment because I got to see how elections are carried out in Russia. If there is an event relevant to this, I can be able to speak on this. I would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity. I hereby request for adoption of the motion.
Motion that this House takes note of the Report of the Delegation on the Election Observation Mission to Russia on Russian Presidential Elections led by Hon. Shamu from 13th to 20th March, 2024, put and agreed to.
MOTION
MOBILE BIRTH REGISTRATION EXERCISE
Fifteenth Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the challenges faced by people living in the border areas on the issuance of birth certificates.
Question again proposed.
HON. SEN. R. M. NDLOVU: I move that the debate do now adjourn.
HON. SEN. GOTORA: I second.
Motion put and agreed to.
Debate to resume: Wednesday, 17th July, 2024.
On the motion of THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF VETERANS OF THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE AFFAIRS (HON. SEN. H. MOYO), the Senate adjourned at Eight Minutes to Four o’clock p.m.